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Gray Fox
04-23-2019, 10:43 AM
As the resident M167, I found this particularly interesting. Thoughts?

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Findoeuropeo.eu%2F2019%2F03%2Fhaplo grupo-r1b-m167-sry2627-vinculado-a-la-expansion-celta-y-a-la-cultura-de-los-campos-de-urnas%2F

Webb
04-23-2019, 01:39 PM
As the resident M167, I found this particularly interesting. Thoughts?

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Findoeuropeo.eu%2F2019%2F03%2Fhaplo grupo-r1b-m167-sry2627-vinculado-a-la-expansion-celta-y-a-la-cultura-de-los-campos-de-urnas%2F

I’ve read most of Carlos’s blog and this one I agree with him on. M167 is a paragroup. It’s huge and is spread all over Europe and is not as old as once thought. I think Carlos lists McDonald’s and YFulls age estimates in this blog post. I think Ian McDonald’s age estimation puts it as being formed around 1100 BC. So, it’s huge, not so old, spread all over Europe, and in Spain is concentrated in Catalonia.

Arch
04-26-2019, 10:30 AM
Sam,

I've read this piece from Carlos several times and it appears he is basically filling in the gaps to write an "origins story" with the scant evidence available. I am a bit confused regarding that M-167 is associated with the expansion of the Iberians from the Pyrenees and then later states the haplogroup expanded with the Celts. The only solid evidence we have is that higher frequencies and diversity of M-167 occurs primarily in the Ebro River/Segre River basins of Catalonia and eastern Aragon. Urnfield is older than Iberian, Aquitani, Celtic, but it does seem more realistic as a spread from east to west into present-day Catalonia. Ancient DNA is needed.