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Sikeliot
04-30-2019, 12:15 AM
And if so, what do I need to send you? Her raw data from 23andme? I cannot run a lot of programs on my own computer.

Kulin
04-30-2019, 12:24 AM
Preferably get her G25 coordinates from Davidski.

Sikeliot
04-30-2019, 12:26 AM
Preferably get her G25 coordinates from Davidski.

What would i need to do?

Kulin
04-30-2019, 12:29 AM
What would i need to do?

I think he charges 12 bucks, you just need him the raw data on his Eurogenes email. Afterwards, the data can be modelled on Poi's nmonte runner or a custom R program on pc.

Sikeliot
04-30-2019, 12:30 AM
I think he charges 12 bucks, you just need him the raw data on his Eurogenes email. Afterwards, the data can be modelled on Poi's nmonte runner or a custom R program on pc.

So if i send the raw data who will run the models? I cannot do it on my computer I don't think.

Could someone on here do it for me? Also I need his email. Do you have it?

Thanks :)

Kulin
04-30-2019, 01:09 AM
So if i send the raw data who will run the models? I cannot do it on my computer I don't think.

Could someone on here do it for me? Also I need his email. Do you have it?

Thanks :)

Poi's runner is very easy to use, but if you need help, I can model em for you.

Sikeliot
04-30-2019, 01:49 AM
Poi's runner is very easy to use, but if you need help, I can model em for you.

Can you send me the email to send to? Thanks :)

Kulin
04-30-2019, 02:12 AM
Can you send me the email to send to? Thanks :)
It's [email protected]

Magnetic
04-30-2019, 06:40 AM
you will have to wait because david is busy doing my coordinates at the moment B) :biggrin1:

Sikeliot
05-01-2019, 11:40 PM
It's [email protected]


Her coordinates... with modern populations, how does she come out? Especially interested in seeing it with Iberian and African alone, and then with other fill in groups.


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LorettaK_scaled,0.09675,0.144205,0.041483,0.000646 ,0.048317,0.000279,-0.002585,0.000692,0.024952,0.033349,-0.002598,0.004496,-0.015015,-0.012386,0.008279,-0.010475,-0.007432,0.003294,-0.000503,0.001251,-0.011979,-0.005812,-0.004807,-0.004338,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
LorettaK,0.0085,0.0142,0.011,0.0002,0.0157,0.0001,-0.0011,0.0003,0.0122,0.0183,-0.0016,0.003,-0.0101,-0.009,0.0061,-0.0079,-0.0057,0.0026,-0.0004,0.001,-0.0096,-0.0047,-0.0039,-0.0036,0.0002

Kulin
05-02-2019, 01:17 AM
Her coordinates... with modern populations, how does she come out? Especially interested in seeing it with Iberian and African alone, and then with other fill in groups.


,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
LorettaK_scaled,0.09675,0.144205,0.041483,0.000646 ,0.048317,0.000279,-0.002585,0.000692,0.024952,0.033349,-0.002598,0.004496,-0.015015,-0.012386,0.008279,-0.010475,-0.007432,0.003294,-0.000503,0.001251,-0.011979,-0.005812,-0.004807,-0.004338,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
LorettaK,0.0085,0.0142,0.011,0.0002,0.0157,0.0001,-0.0011,0.0003,0.0122,0.0183,-0.0016,0.003,-0.0101,-0.009,0.0061,-0.0079,-0.0057,0.0026,-0.0004,0.001,-0.0096,-0.0047,-0.0039,-0.0036,0.0002

You want ancient or modern?

Also any detail about her ancestry so I can pinpoint what components to use?

Kulin
05-02-2019, 01:41 AM
Anyway, in the meantime, I'm guessing she's Southwest European mostly?

Here is a random model

"sample": "Test1:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 2.0234,
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon": 98.33,
"Bantu_S.W.": 1.67,

If she is indeed Spanish/Portuguese, then her African ancestry is around 2%.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 02:04 AM
Anyway, in the meantime, I'm guessing she's Southwest European mostly?

Here is a random model

"sample": "Test1:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 2.0234,
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon": 98.33,
"Bantu_S.W.": 1.67,

If she is indeed Spanish/Portuguese, then her African ancestry is around 2%.

Both ancient and modern would work. Try for lowest distance/best fit, and we will see what comes up. Use whichever groups you think work. Thank you :)

Anyhow yes she is otherwise Iberian. The interesting thing is depending on the test, I've seen her with wildly varying amounts of African, but it is always present. GEDMatch put it around 5% on some calculators, when "Spanish SW" was the base.

Kulin
05-02-2019, 03:07 AM
Both ancient and modern would work. Try for lowest distance/best fit, and we will see what comes up. Use whichever groups you think work. Thank you :)

Anyhow yes she is otherwise Iberian. The interesting thing is depending on the test, I've seen her with wildly varying amounts of African, but it is always present. GEDMatch put it around 5% on some calculators, when "Spanish SW" was the base.

I think Sorcelow's Ancient K18 calculator does a good job at the ancient

"sample": "Custom:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 3.0012,
"European_Farmer_k18": 45,
"Steppe_k18": 27.5,
"Anatolian_Farmer_k18": 21.67,
"Baltic_HG_k18": 1.67,
"Iberomaurusian_k18": 1.67,
"Sub_Saharan_k18": 1.67,
"CHG/IranN": 0.83

A Portuguese for reference with the same components

"sample": "Custom:Portuguese",
"fit": 2.0259,
"European_Farmer_k18": 45,
"Steppe_k18": 29.17,
"Anatolian_Farmer_k18": 20,
"Iberomaurusian_k18": 2.5,
"Baltic_HG_k18": 0.83,
"CHG/IranN": 0.83,
"Natufian_k18": 0.83,
"San_k18": 0.83,

Notice the lack of Subsaharan in the Portuguese average.

For the modern, here's her affinity to various Iberian populations

"sample": "Test1:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 1.9041,
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon": 45.83,
"Spanish_Murcia": 15,
"Spanish_Pais_Vasco": 13.33,
"Spanish_Valencia": 10,
"Spanish_Aragon": 7.5,
"Spanish_Cantabria": 4.17,
"Bantu_S.W.": 2.5,
"Spanish_Canarias": 1.67,
"Portuguese": 0,
"Spanish_Andalucia": 0,
"Spanish_Baleares": 0,
"Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha": 0,
"Spanish_Cataluna": 0,
"Spanish_Extremadura": 0,
"Spanish_Galicia": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:undefined: 2.297917",
"Spanish_Murcia:undefined: 2.743463",
"Spanish_Extremadura:undefined: 2.762997",
"Portuguese:undefined: 2.774851",
"Spanish_Andalucia:undefined: 2.774906",
"Spanish_Cataluna:undefined: 3.072833",
"Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:undefined: 3.086271",
"Spanish_Aragon:undefined: 3.151718",
"Spanish_Galicia:undefined: 3.327404",
"Spanish_Baleares:undefined: 3.339264",
"Spanish_Cantabria:undefined: 3.424286",
"Spanish_Canarias:undefined: 3.460046",
"Spanish_Valencia:undefined: 3.548990",
"Spanish_Pais_Vasco:undefined: 4.643150",
"Bantu_S.W.:undefined: 72.862887"
]

Her SSA ancestry is most likely around 1.5-2.5% from the look of it.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 03:12 AM
I think Sorcelow's Ancient K18 calculator does a good job at the ancient

"sample": "Custom:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 3.0012,
"European_Farmer_k18": 45,
"Steppe_k18": 27.5,
"Anatolian_Farmer_k18": 21.67,
"Baltic_HG_k18": 1.67,
"Iberomaurusian_k18": 1.67,
"Sub_Saharan_k18": 1.67,
"CHG/IranN": 0.83

A Portuguese for reference with the same components

"sample": "Custom:Portuguese",
"fit": 2.0259,
"European_Farmer_k18": 45,
"Steppe_k18": 29.17,
"Anatolian_Farmer_k18": 20,
"Iberomaurusian_k18": 2.5,
"Baltic_HG_k18": 0.83,
"CHG/IranN": 0.83,
"Natufian_k18": 0.83,
"San_k18": 0.83,

Notice the lack of Subsaharan in the Portuguese average.

For the modern, here's her affinity to various Iberian populations

"sample": "Test1:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 1.9041,
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon": 45.83,
"Spanish_Murcia": 15,
"Spanish_Pais_Vasco": 13.33,
"Spanish_Valencia": 10,
"Spanish_Aragon": 7.5,
"Spanish_Cantabria": 4.17,
"Bantu_S.W.": 2.5,
"Spanish_Canarias": 1.67,
"Portuguese": 0,
"Spanish_Andalucia": 0,
"Spanish_Baleares": 0,
"Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha": 0,
"Spanish_Cataluna": 0,
"Spanish_Extremadura": 0,
"Spanish_Galicia": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:undefined: 2.297917",
"Spanish_Murcia:undefined: 2.743463",
"Spanish_Extremadura:undefined: 2.762997",
"Portuguese:undefined: 2.774851",
"Spanish_Andalucia:undefined: 2.774906",
"Spanish_Cataluna:undefined: 3.072833",
"Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:undefined: 3.086271",
"Spanish_Aragon:undefined: 3.151718",
"Spanish_Galicia:undefined: 3.327404",
"Spanish_Baleares:undefined: 3.339264",
"Spanish_Cantabria:undefined: 3.424286",
"Spanish_Canarias:undefined: 3.460046",
"Spanish_Valencia:undefined: 3.548990",
"Spanish_Pais_Vasco:undefined: 4.643150",
"Bantu_S.W.:undefined: 72.862887"
]

Her SSA ancestry is most likely around 1.5-2.5% from the look of it.


So that is roughly consistent with a third or fourth great grandparent probably. If the higher estimates on some GEDMatch calculators and other sources of around 5% are reliable it'd be a second great grandparent. But clearly there is an African ancestor likely born around 1750-1800 (23andme predicts that time period) and/or , more likely, a long line of multigenerational mixed people who blended into the white Portuguese population -- these SSA genes come from a Cape Verdean ancestor.

Does Bantu SW fit better than Yoruba or Mandinka? 23andme calls her SSA "Senegambian and Guinean" but to some extent all West Africans have some genetic affinity due to the Bantu migrations and whatnot.

Kulin
05-02-2019, 03:21 AM
So that is roughly consistent with a third or fourth great grandparent probably. If the higher estimates on some GEDMatch calculators and other sources of around 5% are reliable it'd be a second great grandparent. But clearly there is an African ancestor likely born around 1750-1800 (23andme predicts that time period) and/or , more likely, a long line of multigenerational mixed people who blended into the white Portuguese population -- these SSA genes come from a Cape Verdean ancestor.

Does Bantu SW fit better than Yoruba or Mandinka? 23andme calls her SSA "Senegambian and Guinean" but to some extent all West Africans have some genetic affinity due to the Bantu migrations and whatnot.

It gets equally divided (using Spanish Castillian as a reference)

"sample": "Test1:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 2.0325,
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon": 98.33,
"Bantu_S.W.": 0.83,
"Yoruba": 0.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:undefined: 2.297917",
"Bantu_S.W.:undefined: 72.862887",
"Yoruba:undefined: 74.140582"

The division is most likely due to the fact that the Bantu_SW and Yoruba share quite similar ancestries. But, her distance to Bantu_SW is closer and given the fact that her SSA ancestry, if from Cape Verde most likely came from Portuguese African colonies like Mozambique or Angola, I think Bantu_SW makes more sense. I tried Bantu_SE as well, and she doesn't seem to pick up on it, so a West African Bantu is probably good proxy for her African ancestry.

Gedmatch is good, but given how drastically different SSA ancestry is from West Eurasian ancestry, I think G25 does a better job at predicting actual Sub Saharan ancestry. Gedmatch calculators might pick up on extra basal Eurasian or other archaic components as SSA.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 03:26 AM
It gets equally divided (using Spanish Castillian as a reference)

"sample": "Test1:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 2.0325,
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon": 98.33,
"Bantu_S.W.": 0.83,
"Yoruba": 0.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:undefined: 2.297917",
"Bantu_S.W.:undefined: 72.862887",
"Yoruba:undefined: 74.140582"

The division is most likely due to the fact that the Bantu_SW and Yoruba share quite similar ancestries. But, her distance to Bantu_SW is closer and given the fact that her SSA ancestry, if from Cape Verde most likely came from Portuguese African colonies like Mozambique or Angola, I think Bantu_SW makes more sense. I tried Bantu_SE as well, and she doesn't seem to pick up on it, so a West African Bantu is probably good proxy for her African ancestry.

Gedmatch is good, but given how drastically different SSA ancestry is from West Eurasian ancestry, I think G25 does a better job at predicting actual Sub Saharan ancestry. Gedmatch calculators might pick up on extra basal Eurasian or other archaic components as SSA.


So based on what you see, my grandmother should not have any other ancestry other than Iberian and West African. Is this correct?

Mozambique should fit more under SE Bantu people, whereas SW Bantu peoples should be more those represented by the western part of the Congo and Angola. What is interesting is most of the slaves in Cape Verde came from Senegal (and 23andme reads this as her African, rather than Congolese or Angolan) but I am unsure because 23andme, for most Afro-diasporans seems to severely underreport Central African ancestry. So it very easily could be Angolan or Congolese and misreported.

Either way we can be relatively certain it's from somewhere along Africa's Atlantic coast.

Kulin
05-02-2019, 03:35 AM
So based on what you see, my grandmother should not have any other ancestry other than Iberian and West African. Is this correct?

Mozambique should fit more under SE Bantu people, whereas SW Bantu peoples should be more those represented by the western part of the Congo and Angola. What is interesting is most of the slaves in Cape Verde came from Senegal (and 23andme reads this as her African, rather than Congolese or Angolan) but I am unsure because 23andme, for most Afro-diasporans seems to severely underreport Central African ancestry. So it very easily could be Angolan or Congolese and misreported.

Either way we can be relatively certain it's from somewhere along Africa's Atlantic coast.

Yeah, she seems to be 97-98% Iberian-like, and her African ancestry is definitely West African. Her African ancestry at the most should be around 3%. More than that is unlikely.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 03:38 AM
Yeah, she seems to be 97-98% Iberian-like, and her African ancestry is definitely West African. Her African ancestry at the most should be around 3%. More than that is unlikely.

I would have imagined the African to be higher (given that we have family photos of ancestors 2 or 3 generations before her who look clearly "black" mixed) but that's not unfeasible and it validates what we always knew her to be -- Iberian, with a traceable African ancestor or line of the family that was multigenerational mixed.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 03:58 AM
Yeah, she seems to be 97-98% Iberian-like, and her African ancestry is definitely West African. Her African ancestry at the most should be around 3%. More than that is unlikely.

These are the slave trade regions. I think what you pick up for my grandmother corresponds to what is "West Central Africa" here, which actually went quite far inland into the Congo. The Portuguese took most of their slaves from this region, especially from the Congo river southward, and this region contributed about 50% of all enslaved Africans to the New World.

I do believe there must be something in there also from further north in West Africa, too, but to know for sure we would need to test relatives further back and unfortunately they are deceased.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/ce/9c/65ce9c2dbada60a32fe4b11d108e2db9.jpg

Kulin
05-02-2019, 04:13 AM
These are the slave trade regions. I think what you pick up for my grandmother corresponds to what is "West Central Africa" here, which actually went quite far inland into the Congo. The Portuguese took most of their slaves from this region, especially from the Congo river southward, and this region contributed about 50% of all enslaved Africans to the New World.

I do believe there must be something in there also from further north in West Africa, too, but to know for sure we would need to test relatives further back and unfortunately they are deceased.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/ce/9c/65ce9c2dbada60a32fe4b11d108e2db9.jpg

That is a possibility, given she's picking up Yoruba as well, but it seems that Bantu_SW is closer in distance. So, there's also a good possibility that her Subsaharan African ancestry is composed of both West African and Southwest African.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 04:15 AM
That is a possibility, given she's picking up Yoruba as well, but it seems that Bantu_SW is closer in distance. So, there's also a good possibility that her Subsaharan African ancestry is composed of both West African and Southwest African.

It's funny because when 23andme said Senegal, my relatives INSISTED it was wrong because the Portuguese should, in their view, have been more likely to send Angolans and Congolese across the Atlantic as Senegal was instead under French colonization. Maybe they were onto something.

Yoruba came from "Bight of Benin" region and not coincidentally the capital of Benin was founded by the Portuguese and named Porto Novo.

Mozambican seems unlikely given the lack of SE Bantu.

Kulin
05-02-2019, 04:19 AM
It's funny because when 23andme said Senegal, my relatives INSISTED it was wrong because the Portuguese should, in their view, have been more likely to send Angolans and Congolese across the Atlantic as Senegal was instead under French colonization. Maybe they were onto something.

Yoruba came from "Bight of Benin" region and not coincidentally the capital of Benin was founded by the Portuguese and named Porto Novo.

Mozambican seems unlikely given the lack of SE Bantu.

Have you tried the Ethiohelix calculators on Gedmatch? They might not be accurate for non-Africans but might be interesting to give a try if you haven't

Ruderico
05-02-2019, 12:16 PM
I think Sorcelow's Ancient K18 calculator does a good job at the ancient

"sample": "Custom:LorettaK_scaled",
"fit": 3.0012,
"European_Farmer_k18": 45,
"Steppe_k18": 27.5,
"Anatolian_Farmer_k18": 21.67,
"Baltic_HG_k18": 1.67,
"Iberomaurusian_k18": 1.67,
"Sub_Saharan_k18": 1.67,
"CHG/IranN": 0.83

A Portuguese for reference with the same components

"sample": "Custom:Portuguese",
"fit": 2.0259,
"European_Farmer_k18": 45,
"Steppe_k18": 29.17,
"Anatolian_Farmer_k18": 20,
"Iberomaurusian_k18": 2.5,
"Baltic_HG_k18": 0.83,
"CHG/IranN": 0.83,
"Natufian_k18": 0.83,
"San_k18": 0.83,

Notice the lack of Subsaharan in the Portuguese average.

Our average also has proportionally much more Iberomaurusian. Averages are also less noisy than individual samples. I'm not 100% sure that SSA is real, if it is it's probably too small to be reliably measured with these models/tools.

Edit: I suggest asking Huijbregts personally, he can probably help more than anyone else here
Edit2: Her unscaled coordinates are virtually at the same distance to Bantu SW than the Portuguese average, but simple penalised models using modern pops do see it pop up in the result

[1] "distance%=1.0053"

Portuguese

Spanish_Pais_Vasco,56.8
Greek_Crete,15.6
Berber_Morocco_ERR,11.8
Scottish,10.6
Swedish,5.2


[1] "distance%=1.6483"

LorettaK

Spanish_Pais_Vasco,68.6
Berber_Morocco_ERR,10.6
Greek_Crete,10.6
Scottish,4.4
Swedish,3.4
Bantu_S.W.,2.4


[1] "distance%=1.5395"

Ruderico

Spanish_Pais_Vasco,76.2
Berber_Morocco_ERR,11
Scottish,7
Greek_Crete,4.6
Swedish,1.2




So yeah, I'd probably ask Huijbregts for help

Shadogowah
05-02-2019, 01:55 PM
Hi Sikeliot,

Do you have any evidence of African ancestry or you reached that conclusion because of that small percentage in the scores and pictures where you assumed that relatives looked "darker" than you expected?

I have seen many old pictures and for those living in rural areas or at least working or spending most of their time outdoors, they would for sure look much darker than the few posh bourgeois .

Both my parents happen to have around 1.5 % African ancestry. It seems to fit the average in the most Western Spanish regions.

I would not discard a more recent African ancestor but I just suggest that perhaps that contribution to her ancestry is much, much older and as far as I know, very common.

Shadogowah
05-02-2019, 02:17 PM
Below a spreadsheet with population averages for Eurogenes K15. If you check the spaniards, you'll see that Western regions give SSA values close to 1% and they drop as you move towards the North East.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit?usp=sharing

When running Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 we get the highest values:

I score a significant 2.13%, my father 1.79% and my mother 1.91%. We are all Western Andalusians and I suspect we are probably the area with the highest SSA score of Spain but as Andalusian data is always provided as a whole, its average is lower because western Andalusians have a much lower percentage.

Ruderico
05-02-2019, 02:38 PM
Below a spreadsheet with population averages for Eurogenes K15. If you check the spaniards, you'll see that Western regions give SSA values close to 1% and they drop as you move towards the North East.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit?usp=sharing

When running Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 we get the highest values:

I score a significant 2.13%, my father 1.79% and my mother 1.91%. We are all Western Andalusians and I suspect we are probably the area with the highest SSA score of Spain but as Andalusian data is always provided as a whole, its average is lower because western Andalusians have a much lower percentage.

Those values are because of the lack of better proxies for north African ancestry, which we all have, particularly us in the West. GEDmatch calculators are kind of outdated by now, I guess

Shadogowah
05-02-2019, 03:05 PM
Those values are because of the lack of better proxies for north African ancestry, which we all have, particularly us in the West. GEDmatch calculators are kind of outdated by now, I guess

Come on, don't destroy the bits of exoticism in my results!

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 03:58 PM
Come on, don't destroy the bits of exoticism in my results!

The North African in my grandmothers result still shows up but she needs extra SSA of course. North Africa may or may not hide your SSA.

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 04:00 PM
Hi Sikeliot,

Do you have any evidence of African ancestry or you reached that conclusion because of that small percentage in the scores and pictures where you assumed that relatives looked "darker" than you expected?

I have seen many old pictures and for those living in rural areas or at least working or spending most of their time outdoors, they would for sure look much darker than the few posh bourgeois .

Both my parents happen to have around 1.5 % African ancestry. It seems to fit the average in the most Western Spanish regions.

I would not discard a more recent African ancestor but I just suggest that perhaps that contribution to her ancestry is much, much older and as far as I know, very common.

She has a Cape Verdean ancestor. This explains SSA showing up for her even on calculators where mainland Iberians don't get it. And on GEDmatch she's pushing 5% SSA. It also shows up on every commercial test and her cousin scored the same.

Ruderico
05-02-2019, 04:05 PM
She has a Cape Verdean ancestor. This explains SSA showing up for her even on calculators where mainland Iberians don't get it. And on GEDmatch she's pushing 5% SSA. It also shows up on every commercial test and her cousin scored the same.

Is that 5% SSA or SSA+NEA? This individual is northern Portuguese and has no known foreign/colonial ancestors, nor did comercial tests give him any African, iirc.


Atlantic 27.13%
North Sea 19.72%
West Mediterranean 19.01%
East Mediterranean 11.19%
Baltic 6.43%
Red Sea 4.72%
Eastern European 3.80%
Northeast African 2.78%
Sub-Saharan 2.78%
West Asian 1.33%
Amerindian 0.84%
Siberian 0.28%
South Asian 0.00%
Southeast-Asian 0.00%
Oceanian 0.00%

digital_noise
05-02-2019, 04:41 PM
I just ran her through Dorkymon's 23 and Me custom calc:
Fit 1.3871
African 1.67
Ashkenazi Jewish 0
British&IrishEnglish 0
British&IrishEnglish Cornwall 0
British&IrishIrish 0
British&IrishScottish 0
British&IrishWelsh 0
Broadly Northwestern European 0
Broadly Southern European 6.67
Chinese Dai 0
Chinese 0
Eastern European 0.83
Finnish 0
French&German 11.67
Greek & Balkan 0
Italian 0.83
Sardinian 3.33
ScandinavianIcelandic 0
ScandinavianNorwegian 0
ScandinavianSwedish 0
Siberian 0
Spanish & Portuguese 75
Western Asian 0

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 05:32 PM
I just ran her through Dorkymon's 23 and Me custom calc:
Fit 1.3871
African 1.67
Ashkenazi Jewish 0
British&IrishEnglish 0
British&IrishEnglish Cornwall 0
British&IrishIrish 0
British&IrishScottish 0
British&IrishWelsh 0
Broadly Northwestern European 0
Broadly Southern European 6.67
Chinese Dai 0
Chinese 0
Eastern European 0.83
Finnish 0
French&German 11.67
Greek & Balkan 0
Italian 0.83
Sardinian 3.33
ScandinavianIcelandic 0
ScandinavianNorwegian 0
ScandinavianSwedish 0
Siberian 0
Spanish & Portuguese 75
Western Asian 0

How does the Portuguese average score?

Sikeliot
05-02-2019, 11:15 PM
Also a question:

someone stated that SW Bantu (Angola/Congo people) are closely related to Nigerians. How closely related are these groups to upper West Africans (Senegal, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Mali, etc)? And how closely to SE Bantu peoples?

Are all Bantu people pure descendants of West Africans?

Sikeliot
05-13-2019, 10:39 PM
With the upcoming 23andme update (the South Asian populations added is going to change everyones' results), my grandmother's SSA increased with the addition of Nigerian. She still has more Senegambian than any other type of SSA, and 23andme gives her the lowest SSA of any commercial test, likely due to the inclusion of SSA-heavy Canarians and Madeirans in their "Iberian" sample.

But she still isn't getting any Congolese or even much SE African... so to me it makes sense that nearly all her SSA is from between Senegal and Nigeria, as most Africans in Cape Verde were from Senegambia and the Bight of Benin (Nigeria here might be capturing Beninese).

She is doing AncestryDNA next and I imagine her SSA will either come up as Mali, Senegal, or Benin/Togo but we will see.

http://i64.tinypic.com/amfbs0.jpg

Sikeliot
06-03-2019, 09:33 PM
Wanted to provide update now that her AncestryDNA came in. Her African comes up as 'Benin/Togo' rather than Senegal, Mali, or Central African.