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Luarev
05-07-2019, 05:14 PM
Is My Haplogroup R-L1029 More Slavic or Germanic ?

Michał
05-09-2019, 08:28 PM
It seems to be of Slavic origin.

05-09-2019, 09:44 PM
It seems to be of Slavic origin.

What about mine?

JoeyP37
05-09-2019, 10:39 PM
L1029, yes. But my subclade of YP445 is primarily Central German; must have been some kind of Wendish founder effect. MRCA born around 650, so this guy was a pioneer heading west from a probable north Bohemian home.

Michał
05-14-2019, 09:37 AM
What about mine?
Hard to say. Most likely, your group descends from a remnant of a yet unknown Central-Western European Corded Ware subpopulation, but we need more data (or more information about either some modern distant relatives or ancient samples) to determine how and when your lineage got to the Isles.

05-14-2019, 11:31 AM
Hard to say. Most likely, your group descends from a remnant of a yet unknown Central-Western European Corded Ware subpopulation, but we need more data (or more information about either some modern distant relatives or ancient samples) to determine how and when your lineage got to the Isles.

Thanks for the reply, there is a bunch of people who I share STRs mostly with the surname Eustace from Ireland originally, I think we spoke before about this, but at least claim Norman decent. If that is true, then they might have got to Normandy with the Vikings, as either Traders, Slaves or Warriors. But it would be great if we could find ancient DNA that should lay the matter to rest.
or There might have been an uknown historical event as you say.

aafusc2988
06-10-2019, 05:27 PM
Can you tell me anything about mine? R-L196? There are apparently only a few surnames belonging to my Haplogroup.

Edit: Sorry I'm R1b not R1a... wrong topic.

Jan_Noack
06-20-2019, 04:52 AM
L1029, yes. But my subclade of YP445 is primarily Central German; must have been some kind of Wendish founder effect. MRCA born around 650, so this guy was a pioneer heading west from a probable north Bohemian home.

I finally got mine back. the problem was customs and the first test went missing or something? I just downloaded my results from Full Genomes. R1a>L1029>YP263 . I think my Dad looks Wendish or Slav, but I don't know if this proves it? so far I can't see any calls after this on the Y Tree.

So Far, it's one step more than the Morley indicator from ancestry which predicted probably L1029.

Dibran
06-20-2019, 09:07 PM
I finally got mine back. the problem was customs and the first test went missing or something? I just downloaded my results from Full Genomes. R1a>L1029>YP263 . I think my Dad looks Wendish or Slav, but I don't know if this proves it? so far I can't see any calls after this on the Y Tree.

So Far, it's one step more than the Morley indicator from ancestry which predicted probably L1029.

Your supclade(YP263) is equally common among Germans and Poles. Other groups have them but generally speaking. Where it concerns German L1029, most of it may well be the Wends(pending ADNA). Most were assimilated over a millenia ago, some within the last 500 years. YP445 is a subclade of YP619 and seems to be a German founder effect of an either Wend or unknown individual.

YP263 is more widespread between East Germany and Poland, so I would definitely say a Wend.

You should upload your raw data file from FullGenomes to Yfull.com for placement on the tree. If you match anyone it will form your clade.

Also, if FullGenomes didn't place you further downstream to any known clades of YP263, it likely means you form a new branch of YP263 that will split it further. If you do not match the 3 current basal YP263 samples you likely will be at the top with them. If you do it will form a new branch of you an the basal sample: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP263/

Jan_Noack
06-22-2019, 09:37 AM
I've requested the BAM, but I suspect it will not come with a separated Y (from FGC 20XWGS). As I'm a newbie(other than playing with FTDNA viewer, which now works great), I can not tell for sure what is going on.. but maybe someone else can. It seems to me that I may be

Copied from Haplogroup compare file:

#FGC report: Detailed Analysis of Called SNPs and INDELs
#refer to Analysis of Called Variants for citations and other details
#in the reporting below, it is assumed that the kit allele is derived ("+") and the reference allele is ancestral ("-"); "x"=ambiguous and "?"=no-read/no-call
#note that this report uses a different, simplified variant calling approach from that used in the Analysis of Called Variants report, so results may differ, especially for less-reliable variants
Haplogroups in the neighborhood of R-L1029 being considered; includes: R-M458;R-L1029;R-S222;R-CTS11962
Shared SNPs:
b38 position Reference allele Sample allele dbSNP rsID Named variant status Reliability warning level 98SXB 4LGR6 (R-L1029)
26670801 C G rs7067291 YSC0000244- ** + +


20282284 C G BY46847+ *** x x
20297692 C G FGC72553+; BY30007+ ** x -
20298465 G T *** x -

19385165 G T rs962346532 YP263+ ** + -

Thatis I think I am positive YP263, and FGC72553 but I have no idea how the quality markers read

Tomenable
06-22-2019, 06:21 PM
looks Wendish or Slav

Which are, actually, synonyms (ethnonym Wends is another name for Slavs).

BTW is Noack a variant of Nowak/Novak or does it have different etymology?

leonardo
06-22-2019, 11:23 PM
I finally got mine back. the problem was customs and the first test went missing or something? I just downloaded my results from Full Genomes. R1a>L1029>YP263 . I think my Dad looks Wendish or Slav, but I don't know if this proves it? so far I can't see any calls after this on the Y Tree.

So Far, it's one step more than the Morley indicator from ancestry which predicted probably L1029.

I m 4 branches down the R-YP263 line. Dibran's suggestion to submit your BAM to YFull is a great idea.

Jan_Noack
06-23-2019, 12:36 AM
I can only trace my Noack surname back to around 1814. They are always Noack, but I believe Nowak, Novack and Noack are likely all variants.
I guess it will take some Y DNA testing.
However there are a few different Noack families in Australia, and they are all unrelated as far back as can be traced (usually early to mid-1800's), so maybe a Y test will not help at all! The name Noack meant "new man" in a village..so anyone new to the area?

Thanks, I didn't know Wend and Slav were synonyms. I still haven't worked out the difference between Wend and Sorb.

leonardo
06-23-2019, 01:31 AM
I can only trace my Noack surname back to around 1814. They are always Noack, but I believe Nowak, Novack and Noack are likely all variants.
I guess it will take some Y DNA testing.
However there are a few different Noack families in Australia, and they are all unrelated as far back as can be traced (usually early to mid-1800's), so maybe a Y test will not help at all! The name Noack meant "new man" in a village..so anyone new to the area?

Thanks, I didn't know Wend and Slav were synonyms. I still haven't worked out the difference between Wend and Sorb.

Wend is the name given by the Germanic people to the West Slavs. Sorbs are one tribe of the West Slavs, a Germanic nomenclature for the word Serbs, the term the Slavs used to describe themselves. .

Waldemar
06-23-2019, 08:27 AM
Even one of our R-L1029 matches on the YFull tree bears rather uncommon German surname (Wendt) ;)

Dibran
06-24-2019, 05:43 PM
I've requested the BAM, but I suspect it will not come with a separated Y (from FGC 20XWGS). As I'm a newbie(other than playing with FTDNA viewer, which now works great), I can not tell for sure what is going on.. but maybe someone else can. It seems to me that I may be

Copied from Haplogroup compare file:

#FGC report: Detailed Analysis of Called SNPs and INDELs
#refer to Analysis of Called Variants for citations and other details
#in the reporting below, it is assumed that the kit allele is derived ("+") and the reference allele is ancestral ("-"); "x"=ambiguous and "?"=no-read/no-call
#note that this report uses a different, simplified variant calling approach from that used in the Analysis of Called Variants report, so results may differ, especially for less-reliable variants
Haplogroups in the neighborhood of R-L1029 being considered; includes: R-M458;R-L1029;R-S222;R-CTS11962
Shared SNPs:
b38 position Reference allele Sample allele dbSNP rsID Named variant status Reliability warning level 98SXB 4LGR6 (R-L1029)
26670801 C G rs7067291 YSC0000244- ** + +


20282284 C G BY46847+ *** x x
20297692 C G FGC72553+; BY30007+ ** x -
20298465 G T *** x -

19385165 G T rs962346532 YP263+ ** + -

Thatis I think I am positive YP263, and FGC72553 but I have no idea how the quality markers read

YP263 is a subclade of FGC72553. So, you're definitely positive for both since you were classified by FGC as YP263.

Your next step should be to upload to yfull once they provide you with the BAM.