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shazou
05-23-2019, 09:59 AM
I actually understand the North Italian part as possibly stemming from the ancient Romans, but not really the Turkish&Armenian part. But maybe perhaps I just have more 'East Med' influence in general with regards to my minor Spanish admixture? ..I also tend to score Greek a lot with many of my 'best fits' on other calcs lol

my LivingDNA result:
https://i.imgur.com/LWkV1FW.jpg
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I also score 3.4% N&W Euro + 1.1% Sardinian on the MyHeritage test, and 3% Italy/Greece on FTDNA :P
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one of my puntDNAL results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Asian 81.58
2 S_Indian 7.31
3 Oceanian 3.87
4 Caucasian 1.57
5 NE_European 1.48
6 Mediterranean 1.39
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 W_African 0.47
9 Beringian 0.45
10 Horn_Of_Africa 0.3
11 Wht_Nile_River 0.22
12 S_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 5
2 Thai 7.62
3 Chinese 11.42
4 Cambodian 12.44
5 Japanese 18.43
6 Burmese 21.58
7 Mongolian 45.25
8 Hazara 52.59
9 Uyghur 54.1
10 Turkmen 67
11 Koryak 68.63
12 Uzbek 74.54
13 Nogai 76.34
14 Bashkir 78.13
15 Tadjik 80.24
16 Romani 82.88
17 Burusho 84.1
18 Tatar 85.73
19 Turk_Aydin 86.17
20 Yemeni 86.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Cambodian + 39.9% Japanese @ 2.98
2 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
3 95.8% Vietnamese + 4.2% Greek_Central @ 3.13
4 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Romanian @ 3.13
5 95.5% Vietnamese + 4.5% Romani @ 3.14
6 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Bulgarian @ 3.14
7 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Chechen @ 3.16
8 96% Vietnamese + 4% Lezgin @ 3.16
9 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Greek_Athens @ 3.17
10 96% Vietnamese + 4% Serbian @ 3.17
11 96% Vietnamese + 4% Tuscan @ 3.17
12 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Mexican @ 3.2
13 95.8% Vietnamese + 4.2% Balkar @ 3.2
14 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.2
15 96.1% Vietnamese + 3.9% Italian @ 3.22
16 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% North_Ossetian @ 3.22
17 96% Vietnamese + 4% Sicillian @ 3.23
18 96.2% Vietnamese + 3.8% Slovenian @ 3.23
19 96.2% Vietnamese + 3.8% French @ 3.23
20 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Kumyk @ 3.23

Ava
08-12-2019, 11:35 AM
Do you have any Turkish or Armenian cousins?

agil
08-12-2019, 06:08 PM
Actually Germans or Austrians are genetically closer to Turkish/Armenians than Spaniards just so you know.

Ralex004
08-15-2019, 11:48 PM
Actually Germans or Austrians are genetically closer to Turkish/Armenians than Spaniards just so you know.

Why is that?

shazou
08-19-2019, 02:09 AM
Do you have any Turkish or Armenian cousins?
None on 23andme relative-finder...instead I get a few Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Peruvians, and a few from Spain though apart from my majority Filipino and Chinese matches etc
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Here is my 'puntDNAL K12 Modern gedmatch result':
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 82.06
2 Siberian 4.55
3 South_Asian 2.81
4 Oceanian 2.59
5 Beringian 2.05
6 Anatolian_NF 1.94
7 European_HG 1.58
8 Caucasus_HG 0.93
9 Amerindian 0.8
10 South_African_HG 0.69

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 7.71
2 Cambodian 11.92
3 Han_Chinese 12.07
4 Ami 17.54
5 Japanese 21.69
6 Korean 24.1
7 Mongolian 31.84
8 Hazara 61.33
9 Altaian 65.92
10 Tuvinian 67.04
11 Turkmen 70.65
12 Uzbek 71.96
13 Nogai 78.17
14 Bengali_Muslim 82.18
15 Turkish_Aydin 84.25
16 Burusho 84.87
17 Dolgan 84.92
18 Yakut 86.28
19 Turkish 86.89
20 Somali_Benadiri 87.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.9% Vietnamese + 7.1% Bulgarian @ 3.43
2 93% Vietnamese + 7% Romanian @ 3.44
3 93% Vietnamese + 7% Albanian @ 3.46
4 93% Vietnamese + 7% Croatian @ 3.5
5 93% Vietnamese + 7% Tuscan @ 3.5
6 93.1% Vietnamese + 6.9% Dutch_South @ 3.51
7 93.1% Vietnamese + 6.9% French @ 3.51
8 93.1% Vietnamese + 6.9% Belgian @ 3.51
9 93% Vietnamese + 7% Greek @ 3.52
10 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% German_South @ 3.52
11 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% Utahn_European @ 3.53
12 93.1% Vietnamese + 6.9% Hungarian @ 3.54
13 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% Italian_Bergamo @ 3.55
14 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% English_South @ 3.55
15 93.1% Vietnamese + 6.9% Spanish_Canaries @ 3.56
16 93.1% Vietnamese + 6.9% Spanish_Southwest @ 3.57
17 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% Spanish_Northeast @ 3.57
18 93% Vietnamese + 7% Sicilian_West @ 3.58
19 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% Irish @ 3.59
20 93.2% Vietnamese + 6.8% German_North @ 3.6

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Muh MyHeritage.com result screenshot:
https://i.imgur.com/ZucIXJp.jpg
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I even get over 10% on a few other calcs:
https://i.imgur.com/v9zbWNE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rWWiKdW.jpg

shazou
08-20-2019, 07:08 AM
Actually Germans or Austrians are genetically closer to Turkish/Armenians than Spaniards just so you know.
i'm familiar with this genetic distance plot-chart:

http://i.imgur.com/xSdOThN.png

Rafe
08-26-2019, 06:14 PM
agil is wrong.

FST distances:
Turkey vs. Spain = 0.006
Turkey vs. Germany = 0.008
Armenia vs. Spain = 0.009
Armenia vs. Germany = 0.011

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uOwW2zuuS4cZbS7v3UskHgL_zNxZhBvG7qpN23roiFE/edit?usp=sharing

agil
08-27-2019, 03:14 PM
agil is wrong.

FST distances:
Turkey vs. Spain = 0.006
Turkey vs. Germany = 0.008
Armenia vs. Spain = 0.009
Armenia vs. Germany = 0.011

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uOwW2zuuS4cZbS7v3UskHgL_zNxZhBvG7qpN23roiFE/edit?usp=sharing

[Citation needed]

Every other study shows the opposite.

Rufus191
08-27-2019, 08:20 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock in what LivingDNA says outside UK ancestry. They seem to randomly give people Pashtun for no conceivable reason.

jabdnor
08-28-2019, 01:22 AM
Is there any way that you can get ancestry results just by uploading the raw data file? I really do not want to buy a kit and wait a couple of weeks for the results.

msmarjoribanks
08-28-2019, 03:24 AM
I wouldn't put too much stock in what LivingDNA says outside UK ancestry. They seem to randomly give people Pashtun for no conceivable reason.

Yeah, I was going to say because LivingDNA is bad for most places outside the British Isles and even sometimes outside of England.

I have about 15-20% German and some percentage of Scottish or Irish (about 1/8 or more of my ancestors are Protestants from Ireland, and although a few are of English ancestry I doubt all are). Yet I get no German and no Irish or Scottish. My Welsh and Swedish numbers look good, but missing the others makes me think the English percentages are distorted.

Rufus191
08-28-2019, 06:20 PM
Is there any way that you can get ancestry results just by uploading the raw data file? I really do not want to buy a kit and wait a couple of weeks for the results.
No, have to buy a kit. And you'd be likely waiting 4 months at least not weeks.

Rufus191
08-28-2019, 06:22 PM
Yeah, I was going to say because LivingDNA is bad for most places outside the British Isles and even sometimes outside of England.

I have about 15-20% German and some percentage of Scottish or Irish (about 1/8 or more of my ancestors are Protestants from Ireland, and although a few are of English ancestry I doubt all are). Yet I get no German and no Irish or Scottish. My Welsh and Swedish numbers look good, but missing the others makes me think the English percentages are distorted.
Many Brits and Europeans are getting a non significant amount of Pashtun, very unlikely, even if you accept a very small minority will have a ancestor from East India company period.

shazou
09-01-2019, 02:16 AM
Is there any way that you can get ancestry results just by uploading the raw data file? I really do not want to buy a kit and wait a couple of weeks for the results.
I read they will offer ethnicity estimates(for a small credit card fee online) in the near future once they release this option.. I acually got it for free some months back but that was a special limited time offer via their FindMyPast.com partnership which is now no longer available sadly.