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Wing Genealogist
12-16-2013, 11:14 AM
I am working with the R1b-U106 Y-DNA Haplogroup Project, and we have developed a spreadsheet of the Chromo2 results at:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgNXweTpkM9WdDRmbzNUWFhNQzZjanZkMU1zYVZuZ EE#gid=7

This spreadsheet currently only contains the previously known SNP results, but I would like to include the new SNPs as well. The biggest issue I am having with adding the new SNPs is the fact it appears at least some of them may well be spurious results of one sort or another.

Has anyone/group discovered a way to differentiate between likely spurious calls and likely true SNPs?

rms2
03-28-2014, 04:38 PM
The only way that I know of is direct communication with BritainsDNA. That's what I did with my own results. I emailed them about what I had that was unique, and they were able to tell me which things were spurious and which were genuine.

On the y-dna side, Chromo2 was not all that fruitful for me, except for the fact that it gave me a valuable second opinion and confirmed my FTDNA results. Since I ordered the Chromo2 Complete, however, I got a lot out of the Chromo2 testing overall: more extensive mtDNA testing than I had had heretofore, autosomal testing, and the "Red Head test" (I am a carrier of a red hair variant).

Mikewww
05-20-2014, 05:30 PM
I am working with the R1b-U106 Y-DNA Haplogroup Project, and we have developed a spreadsheet of the Chromo2 results at:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgNXweTpkM9WdDRmbzNUWFhNQzZjanZkMU1zYVZuZ EE#gid=7

This spreadsheet currently only contains the previously known SNP results, but I would like to include the new SNPs as well. The biggest issue I am having with adding the new SNPs is the fact it appears at least some of them may well be spurious results of one sort or another.

Has anyone/group discovered a way to differentiate between likely spurious calls and likely true SNPs?

I did with Chromo 2 what I'm doing with the Big Y data but instead of aggregating Big Y data into a spreadsheet I just used the BISDNA's Anonymous 2000 spreadsheet. I sorted the SNPs by frequency and started flagging those that were phylogenetically inconsistent. I noticed that in later versions, BISDNA removed some of the inconsistent SNPs.

I suspect the scrutiny we are giving NGS results would weed out a lot of the SNPs we are familiar with today. We are a little pickier.

Adrian Stevenson
05-21-2014, 06:33 PM
If anyone is doing a similar thing with I-M253, I would be happy to supply my raw data.

Good luck with your project.

Cheers, Ade.

DebbieK
05-22-2014, 05:15 PM
Ade

I believe Phil Goff is trying to collect Chromo 2 data for haplogroup I. You can contact him via the haplogroup I project:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1

You might also try asking for help on the haplogroup I Rootsweb mailing list:

http://lists5.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I.html

Adrian Stevenson
05-22-2014, 05:39 PM
Thanks again Debbie. I have sent him a PM here, but no reply as of yet. I will certainly contact him by the suggested means too.

Cheers, Ade.

razyn
06-06-2014, 04:46 PM
I don't think the same questions are being asked, now, that were on the mind of the original poster. But given the thread title, it might might be useful to link an R1b-DF27 thread on the general topic -- if for no better reason than that DF27 (aka S250) isn't nearly as well known as its P312 brothers L21 and U152, or its U106 cousin.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1484-DF27-aka-S250-results-from-the-Chromo2-test

That DF27 thread is bracketed between the release of 2000 anonymized results from Chromo2 in February; and the release soon thereafter of the position and mutation information about many more of the SNPs beginning with the letter S (including those on the Chromo2 chip). After the latter information was available, members of several of our DF27 subclades were able to request (or "wish") the new SNPs at FTDNA and at YSEQ; some few have ordered such tests, and are gradually being sorted into more refined subsets within our R1b-DF27 haplogroup project (which was organized only last July).

These new tests are proving especially productive in a couple of the old "P312*" groups that had been recognized from shared off-modal STR patterns, the Rox2 and the North/South cluster; and in the L176.2 side of Z196/Z195. There are other (mostly smaller) subsets of DF27 that also have newly testable SNPs -- or that now know the name by which BritainsDNA calls them. The changes are coming in pretty rapidly, and from several directions -- of which the Chromo2 chip is just one. Much of the initial discussion of our discoveries actually happens on Facebook, and may disappear soon -- so we try to get it summarized here, and/or in the Yahoo group for DF27. My own contributions since the end of February have not been on the Chromo2 thread that I cited above, but on threads that pertain more specifically to some phylogenetic branch under DF27.

Gisburnguy
10-22-2014, 02:25 PM
Hi all, Im very new to this but have just received my Chromo2 results..it seems i am R1B - S1187 but to be honest i cant find out anything about it..it seems that it derives from S1194 which in turn derives from M269..but to be honest i cant tell anything from this..can anyone point me in the direction of where to look or make any sense of these markers? Im afraid at the moment it is gobbledygook to me
CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, CTS12057+, CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2569+, CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, CTS3844+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, CTS7604+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, CTS9200+, CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, L1105+, L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, L352+, L438+, L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, L741+, L752+, L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, M294+, M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, P139+, P140+, P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, P242+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, PAGE083+, PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S11330(+), S1159+, S11638+, S1187+, S1194+, S1196+, S1200+, S1211+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S14328+, S15363+, S1572+, S163(+), S17868+, S1984(+), S19862(+), S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, S20315+, S24014+, S26903+, S349+, S351+, S3848+, S3+, S4888+, S4+, S6378+, S8235+, S8709+, S9158+, SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, V231+, V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, YSC1297+, Z1244+

ballardgen
11-28-2014, 08:29 AM
Hi all, Im very new to this but have just received my Chromo2 results..it seems i am R1B - S1187 but to be honest i cant find out anything about it..it seems that it derives from S1194 which in turn derives from M269..but to be honest i cant tell anything from this..can anyone point me in the direction of where to look or make any sense of these markers? Im afraid at the moment it is gobbledygook to me
CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, CTS12057+, CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2569+, CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, CTS3844+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, CTS7604+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, CTS9200+, CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, L1105+, L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, L352+, L438+, L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, L741+, L752+, L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, M294+, M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, P139+, P140+, P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, P242+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, PAGE083+, PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S11330(+), S1159+, S11638+, S1187+, S1194+, S1196+, S1200+, S1211+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S14328+, S15363+, S1572+, S163(+), S17868+, S1984(+), S19862(+), S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, S20315+, S24014+, S26903+, S349+, S351+, S3848+, S3+, S4888+, S4+, S6378+, S8235+, S8709+, S9158+, SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, V231+, V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, YSC1297+, Z1244+

Welcome Gisburn Guy you have a S1200+ that make you CTS4528

Please come and join your fellow group mates would love to tell you more.

links below

JohnHowellsTyrfro
04-20-2015, 06:38 AM
I'm afraid it's all gobbledygook to me too. Any comments welcome.
CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, CTS12057+, CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2569+, CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, CTS7604+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, L1105+, L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, L352+, L438+, L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, L741+, L752+, L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, M294+, M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, P139+, P140+, P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, P242+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, PAGE083+, PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S11136+, S11330(+), S1159+, S11638+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S1572+, S163(+), S1731+, S1743+, S1747+, S1984(+), S19862!, S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, S20315+, S21728+, S23955+, S263+, S268+, S26903+, S269+, S3391+, S349+, S351+, S380+, S3848+, S3+, S4888+, S4+, S504+, S505+, S6378+, S8235+, S8709+, SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, V231+, V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, YSC1297+, Z1244+, Z326+, Z347+, Z348+

Wing Genealogist
04-20-2015, 01:01 PM
You are showing up as positive for all three SNPs at the S11136 level (S11136, S21728 & S239555). This clade falls under Z326 which is noted for a mutation which causes the DYS425 STR result to become "null". There are clades below S11136 (which others are calling by the S21728 SNP) but they are not included in the Chromo2 test.

Have you done any testing with FTDNA? If so, you should join the R1b-U106 Haplogroup Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106/default.aspx

JohnHowellsTyrfro
04-20-2015, 04:32 PM
You are showing up as positive for all three SNPs at the S11136 level (S11136, S21728 & S239555). This clade falls under Z326 which is noted for a mutation which causes the DYS425 STR result to become "null". There are clades below S11136 (which others are calling by the S21728 SNP) but they are not included in the Chromo2 test.

Have you done any testing with FTDNA? If so, you should join the R1b-U106 Haplogroup Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106/default.aspx
Thank you Wing Genealigist. What does "become null" mean please? Does it mean it invalidates some or all of the data? It has been suggested I take a A312 SNP test. I'm not quite sure which is the best way forward and what it might tell me and others interested. At the moment I've only tested with Cymru/Britain's DNA.

Edit: I've looked a little further and think I understand more now. I note it's distribution in Western Europe, including some in Scandinavia, The Hebrides and Southern Ireland.
"Z326
U106>L48>Z9>Z331>Z326
Founder estimate: 3000 years before present
Z326+ or L48+/null 425 (also known as the "null 425 cluster") was first identified by the late Leo Little who estimated its age at around 2-3,000 years. Michael Maddi now estimates the age at around 3,000 years. He maintains a map showing the known European ancestral locations of all men who have tested Z326+ or who are L48+/null 425. The map can be found here. For information about nulls see the Wiki article null value which includes a link to the Null 425 Project."

Wing Genealogist
04-20-2015, 05:37 PM
Thank you Wing Genealigist. What does "become null" mean please? Does it mean it invalidates some or all of the data? It has been suggested I take a A312 SNP test. I'm not quite sure which is the best way forward and what it might tell me and others interested. At the moment I've only tested with Cymru/Britain's DNA.

Edit: I've looked a little further and think I understand more now. I note it's distribution in Western Europe, including some in Scandinavia, The Hebrides and Southern Ireland.
"Z326
U106>L48>Z9>Z331>Z326
Founder estimate: 3000 years before present
Z326+ or L48+/null 425 (also known as the "null 425 cluster") was first identified by the late Leo Little who estimated its age at around 2-3,000 years. Michael Maddi now estimates the age at around 3,000 years. He maintains a map showing the known European ancestral locations of all men who have tested Z326+ or who are L48+/null 425. The map can be found here. For information about nulls see the Wiki article null value which includes a link to the Null 425 Project."

For more information about the Null 425 marker see https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/null-425/about/goals

Not A Number
09-08-2015, 12:41 PM
Im trying to unravel the meanings of some of the terms and acronyms still. What is an SNP, im presuming nothing to do with Scottish politics ?