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scottraveler
08-23-2012, 03:05 AM
Using some brand new haplotype extensions to 111 STRs, Nordtvedt put together a new clade in I1xL22. It is called I1-Mav11.
You can see the STR values which identify the clade in the excel file "The I1 modalities" at his website.

I1-Mav11 as well as a bunch of other clades whose names he has colored rose need some snp tests so they can find their proper place in the whole I1 tree.

If you are in one of these rose colored clades, and can do some basic snp tests like DF29 and Z58, you not only help place your haplotype in the I1 tree, but you also put the whole clade in its tree place.

enigma1
09-07-2012, 05:51 PM
I am in this I1-Mav11, and tested DF29+ Z58- and Z63- (FTDNA kit #229706)

I am not sure what next to test, but think maybe L1274 and L1275.

scottraveler
09-07-2012, 06:57 PM
I am in this I1-Mav11, and tested DF29+ Z58- and Z63- (FTDNA kit #229706)

I am not sure what next to test, but think maybe L1274 and L1275.

I would agree. So far L1274+ and L1275+ have been confined to AS7e clade, but there are some hints of closeness between AS7e and Mav11.

What I am really hoping for is that Mav11 might in the end turn out to sit on a transitional branch between the earlier L22- and L22+ portion of the tree.
There's no way to explore this idea right now it seems.

enigma1
09-08-2012, 02:40 AM
I would agree. So far L1274+ and L1275+ have been confined to AS7e clade, but there are some hints of closeness between AS7e and Mav11.

What I am really hoping for is that Mav11 might in the end turn out to sit on a transitional branch between the earlier L22- and L22+ portion of the tree.
There's no way to explore this idea right now it seems.

It does seem transitional. What I don't understand is why there is such a small number of people with these characteristics. In one respect I wonder if we are not all related; or, are we related to individuals in other clades? My only close match was to a first cousin, but even then two mutations were noted. My 2nd losest match was a 3-step match to someone in Finland at 37 markers, but the genetic distance was 9 at 67 markers and 20 at 111 markers. There was a third distant match to someone in Norway, but the genetic distance was 22 over 111 markers. If each generation showed 1-2 mutations, it would quickly look as though members of the same paternal line were not related. Does that make sense?

ericsrud
01-06-2015, 11:13 PM
No mav 11 has ever tested z58+. Terminal snps at this time would be cts6364+,z2336+, or L69+.
I just received my yprime results, and there is another assumed mav11 who has just ordered bigY, so hopefully we will have answers soon.

ericsrud
01-10-2015, 08:36 PM
These are the latest SNP branches to mav11. Closely associated with I1-P

we (mav11 ) are L69+, Y3866+,S4767+, S7642+, S7657+, S16432+,S11236+. For now I1-S11236, but I have 34 private markers as well. More info to come

Artmar
01-10-2015, 10:48 PM
These are the latest SNP branches to mav11. Closely associated with I1-P

we (mav11 ) are L69+, Y3866+,S4767+, S7642+, S7657+, S16432+,S11236+. For now I1-S11236, but I have 34 private markers as well. More info to come
At which stage it diverged with I1-P?

ericsrud
01-11-2015, 02:53 AM
At which stage it diverged with I1-P?
S7642 is available for testing and covers I1-P and I1-mav11.

Artmar
01-11-2015, 09:50 AM
S7642 is available for testing and covers I1-P and I1-mav11. They also share S7657, and S16432. I don't know if the last two are available for testing.
Is there any draft tree available to see those SNPs and number of novel variants?

ericsrud
01-11-2015, 04:49 PM
3362 if this doesn't work I'll try to send it to you directly.

ericsrud
01-11-2015, 05:03 PM
3364 and this is the new tree with the addition of mav11. The mav11 kit # is 226997.

connie87
05-25-2015, 03:54 PM
I'm new to forum. My paternal heritage is I1. My line (since I'm female, my brother, and now his son, has tested positive for P19,M253,CTS6364,S7642.) Testing has been done on 111 markers. My maternal line is H27 (through me).

connie87
05-25-2015, 04:09 PM
would love a larger copy of the L69 tree. Thanks!!

lgmayka
05-25-2015, 10:51 PM
Here is YFull's haplotree for I-S7642 (http://yfull.com/tree/I-S7642/). The I-Y6340 subclade is mostly Polish.

brygian
05-29-2015, 08:38 PM
Using some brand new haplotype extensions to 111 STRs, Nordtvedt put together a new clade in I1xL22. It is called I1-Mav11.
You can see the STR values which identify the clade in the excel file "The I1 modalities" at his website.

I1-Mav11 as well as a bunch of other clades whose names he has colored rose need some snp tests so they can find their proper place in the whole I1 tree.

If you are in one of these rose colored clades, and can do some basic snp tests like DF29 and Z58, you not only help place your haplotype in the I1 tree, but you also put the whole clade in its tree place.

What does Mav11 mean? Ken's website is down. Does the following haplotype belong to Mav11:

13 22 14 10 14-14 11 14 10 12 11 28 14 8-9 8 11 23 16 21 28 12-14-15-16 10 11 19-21 13 14 16 20 36-37 12 10

ericsrud
07-06-2015, 04:40 PM
It does not appear to be mav11. Mav11 is distinguished by an 11 at DYS492 and 10 at DYF406s1, both show up in the 37-67 marker range.