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Smashorpass
06-18-2019, 03:38 AM
So, I just found out my Y-DNA is R1a1a1b2a1a, aka R1a1a-Y7. So, is there any info regarding this haplogroup and its distribution among Z93ers/South and Central Asians? Which "culture" does it originate from?

Coldmountains
08-27-2019, 06:55 AM
R1a-Y7 is today most common in South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan) but exists in smaller frequencies also in Arabic countries, Iran, Tajikistan, West China (Uyghurs) and Central Asia. Y7 was also found among one Tatar in Russia and some Kazakhs. In Europe Y7 and the parallel Y6 seem to be absent today (excluding South Asian-derived Romani people). Y6 which is like Y7 also derived from R1a-L657 seems to have also the same distribution but the Y6/Y7 ratio tends to get higher in South and East India.

R1a-Y7 and Y6 are downstream markers of L657 and this lines were not found yet in ancient dna (excluding the Y6 in Roopkund but this is a fairly recent sample only 1000 years old). But Y3 upstream of L657 was found in Sredny Stog and Z2124 which is parallel of Y3/L657 was found in Sintashta/Andronovo so we can assume that early L657 was quite similar to this Sintashta and Sredny Stog samples. They were mainly derived from Eneolithic Pontic-Caspian steppe groups but carried significant Central European Farmer (GAC,..) admixture. This groups probably spoke some late Proto-Indo-European and became agro-pastoralists which later dominated the steppes. So Y7 ultimately orginates from Neolithic/Bronze Age East Europe but where it exactly was born is not clear yet.

Coldmountains
08-27-2019, 08:13 AM
Y3 ancestral to L657 and Y7 was also found among one Ukrainian cossack. So despite L657/Y7 being absent in Europe. Ancestral Y3 is still found in Europe

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3433-Waves-of-migration-into-South-Asia/page190

Alain
08-27-2019, 08:06 PM
Y3 ancestral to L657 and Y7 was also found among one Ukrainian cossack. So despite L657/Y7 being absent in Europe. Ancestral Y3 is still found in Europe

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3433-Waves-of-migration-into-South-Asia/page190


Is this a early Indo-Iranian migration peoples?

MonkeyDLuffy
08-27-2019, 08:33 PM
Welcome to the club brother. Y7 Y2568* here. My clad seem to be shared with a Saudi and Pakistani Punjabi. Why don't you take R1a superclade test from YSEQ? It'd be awesome if you turn out to be it.

Coldmountains
08-27-2019, 09:16 PM
Is this a early Indo-Iranian migration peoples?

Y3 probably predates the formation of Indo-Iranians if it is correct that it was found in Sredny Stog. So not all Y3 carriers must be descendants of Indo-Iranians. Y3* was also found among a Saudi and Kazakh but based on what we know about ancient Indo-Europeans it is unlikely that Y3 was born in West or Central Asia.

aaronbee2010
08-30-2019, 09:35 PM
Y3 probably predates the formation of Indo-Iranians if it is correct that it was found in Sredny Stog. So not all Y3 carriers must be descendants of Indo-Iranians. Y3* was also found among a Saudi and Kazakh but based on what we know about ancient Indo-Europeans it is unlikely that Y3 was born in West or Central Asia.

There's also a Y3* sample on YFull from Brazil, which is certainly European, so that's yet more evidence that suggests Y3 originated somewhere in or around the Sredny Stog region.

solarius
11-12-2019, 12:48 AM
Are any of you on YFull? It'd be nice to get the tree better fleshed out.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y7/

Dr_McNinja
12-02-2019, 05:38 AM
I manage kit YF65256 and I have another coming for R-Y16494 in a couple months

Coldmountains
03-13-2021, 08:41 PM
Quite interesting a new sample from Kyrgyzstan (SAMC008945) was uploaded under Y7 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y2439/ His clade is shared with Punjabi and has a TMRCA of <2500 ybp. There are already several Y7 or Y9 samples found among Kazakh, Turkmen, Uzbeks and even Russian Tatars. One of the Khazar R1a samples is maybe also Y9+

Also two new Kashmiri samples were added under these clades.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y2569/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y34215/

AMS212
03-14-2021, 05:47 PM
Hi brother!

Is the Kyrgyz sample you mentioned a modern one?

Coldmountains
03-14-2021, 07:00 PM
Hi brother!

Is the Kyrgyz sample you mentioned a modern one?

The sample is modern but I could not find out from which region in Kyrgyzstan.

https://bigd.big.ac.cn/biosample/browse/SAMC008945

altvred
03-17-2021, 10:55 AM
Albeit an unrelated note, they seem to be in the process of uploading a lot of samples from the GSA (The Chinese equivalent of the ENA/NCBI database) to Yfull.

One of the Tajik samples,SAMC013061, is now on the R-M459 branch that is neither M198 nor YP1272 with the EHG from Archangelsk PES001

https://yfull.com/live/tree/R-M459/

https://bigd.big.ac.cn/biosample/browse/SAMC013061

Frankly, I'm interested in knowing how Yfull can download these samples since the FTP server of the GSA is just garbage.

I've been trying for the last few days to download some of the samples, but even with my fiber optic cable connection of 1 gbits, I still get an average of 250kbs. For files of these sizes, it's just unrealistic to expect to download them at that rate...

I get that the Chinese are trying to do their own thing and compete with the Americans and Europeans but they should at least offer decent connections to the data they supposedly want to share on their goddamn Genome Repository.

Jatt1
03-17-2021, 12:37 PM
Are any of you on YFull? It'd be nice to get the tree better fleshed out.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y7/

They all also can upload their data to https://ydna-warehouse.org/ . It all for free, they already have R1b tree which is better than both FTDNA and YFULL.

Coldmountains
03-18-2021, 11:01 AM
Albeit an unrelated note, they seem to be in the process of uploading a lot of samples from the GSA (The Chinese equivalent of the ENA/NCBI database) to Yfull.

One of the Tajik samples,SAMC013061, is now on the R-M459 branch that is neither M198 nor YP1272 with the EHG from Archangelsk PES001

https://yfull.com/live/tree/R-M459/

https://bigd.big.ac.cn/biosample/browse/SAMC013061

Frankly, I'm interested in knowing how Yfull can download these samples since the FTP server of the GSA is just garbage.

I've been trying for the last few days to download some of the samples, but even with my fiber optic cable connection of 1 gbits, I still get an average of 250kbs. For files of these sizes, it's just unrealistic to expect to download them at that rate...

I get that the Chinese are trying to do their own thing and compete with the Americans and Europeans but they should at least offer decent connections to the data they supposedly want to share on their goddamn Genome Repository.
So far we have CWC R1a-Z93, CWC R1a-Z283 (Y17491, even Z280* like in Srubnaya), basal R1a clades (unlikely from later EHGs like Volosovo and likely also CWC), Yamnaya I2a2a and R1b-Z2103 among ancient and modern-day Indo-Iranians which very likely come from PII with some I2a2a and Z2103 being probably absorbed in a bit later stage (Abashevo, Andronovo,..). I am not aware yet of R1b-L51* among ancient Indo-Iranians and modern-day also seem to lack it. Various Q clades were found among ancient and modern-day Indo-Iranians but it rather seems to be picked up at a later stage later than the I2a2a and Z2103 probably.

altvred
04-12-2021, 10:27 AM
While testing out a new YDNA analysis tool on a dataset of modern ethnolinguistic groups from Vietnam, I ran into two cases of Y7+.


SampleID Haplogroup
Ede742 R1a1a1b2a2a1d8a~
Ede74 R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d~
Giarai91 R1a1a1b2a1a2c1d~


Another Z93 and a few other South Asian haplogroups like R2 and L were detected among the Rade/Ede and Giarai/Jarai, who speak Austronesian languages related to Cham.

https://i.imgur.com/SInvSDa.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2b45cnkfuj1vcu/YTree_300.phylo.Population.pdf?dl=1

Ignore all the R1b's on the tree; I'm still working out the kinks with LineageTracker. One that is very annoying is its insistence on assigning people directly from CT to a very deep subclade of R1b because of one SNP call on the opposite end and nothing in between.

Coldmountains
04-12-2021, 10:41 AM
While testing out a new YDNA analysis tool on a dataset of modern ethnolinguistic groups from Vietnam, I ran into two cases of Y7+.


SampleID Haplogroup
Ede742 R1a1a1b2a2a1d8a~
Ede74 R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d~
Giarai91 R1a1a1b2a1a2c1d~


Another Z93 and a few other South Asian haplogroups like R2 and L were detected among the Rade/Ede and Giarai/Jarai, who speak Austronesian languages related to Cham.

https://i.imgur.com/SInvSDa.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2b45cnkfuj1vcu/YTree_300.phylo.Population.pdf?dl=1

Ignore all the R1b's on the tree; I'm still working out the kinks with LineageTracker. One that is very annoying is its insistence on assigning people directly from CT to a very deep subclade of R1b because of one SNP call on the opposite end and nothing in between.

Nice find YP520 of Ede742 is not L657 but under a very Indo-Aryan Z2123 clade shared with Afghans. L657 was also found in Kambodscha if i correctly remember

altvred
04-12-2021, 11:35 AM
Nice find YP520 of Ede742 is not L657 but under a very Indo-Aryan Z2123 clade shared with Afghans. L657 was also found in Kambodscha if i correctly remember

Judging by the ancestral and derived SNPs, Ede742 is YP520*

https://i.imgur.com/8oQg67d.png

All YP520 samples on YFull are FGC51149 (1 Sri Lankan, 1 Tamil - a south Indian spread) or YP527 (has the Pashtun subclade you mentioned, overall distributed over a broader region than FGC51149).

Considering the history of southeast Asia, I wouldn't be surprised to find closely related subclades in Cambodia s well.

It probably reflects an older flow of influence from India to Southeast Asia associated with Hinduism/Buddhism and one predating the far later Islamic period gene flow we see in Malays.

altvred
04-12-2021, 03:04 PM
Speaking of R1a in Southeast Asia - YFull has been uploading scientific samples from a Singaporean study. A lot of them fall under South Asian subclades of not only R1a but also other haplogroups like H, J2, and L.

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB40922

All the samples with the id ERS524**** are from that study, and I can only assume all the R1a, H, L, and J2's are Malay individuals.

https://i.imgur.com/0D7X8Qn.png

https://i.imgur.com/qRjIl5o.png

https://i.imgur.com/BSh215x.png

https://i.imgur.com/7zInlO5.png

https://i.imgur.com/swC8W9y.png

parasar
08-03-2021, 06:38 PM
A Sherpa under Y7 ... F24353
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F24353/
AAGC022073

Kaazi
08-29-2021, 04:38 AM
A Sherpa under Y7 ... F24353
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F24353/
AAGC022073

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5011065/

Lol, he's from Shigatse district who have close ties to Nepal Solukhumbu district Sherpas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solukhumbu_District

Could it really came from Solukhumbu?? because the Bahun/Chhetris came into Khumbu region only 150-200 years ago and most live in the lower altitude valleys and lower river basins. Crazy result.