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Gil Vicente
06-20-2019, 03:13 PM
Hi,

I tested with 23andme back in 2010 or 2011 when they still had the V2 chip. At the time their YDNA subclades were quite limited, so they said i was R1b-P312 with no subclade. Even with their following updates my Y-DNA still didn't change. I think the probability of me being DF27 is quite high but i think V2 never tested for DF27 so you could say i "lost the train of subclade updates". The people i see being DF27 are all with later chips.

Is there anyone else here that tested with the V2 chip and is R-P312 or did your haplogroup updated?

Also, i would like to know if there are alternatives for better Y-DNA testing, i looked at YSEQ but it seems pretty confusing.

Here is my "Ancestry Overview" at 23andme saying i'm P312:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/wugqhd.jpg

ArmandoR1b
06-20-2019, 04:19 PM
23andme will not update your subclade. You have to purchase a new test from 23andme for them to show you positive for a younger subclade if you are positive for one of the subclades they test. That would be a big waste of money though. Yseq has a R1b-M343 Orientation Panel that you could get with the option of downstream pnels if positive for one of them. It's at https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=16349&osCsid=ba1fecc289035d7d7b9982c83faf99ff Or get the Big Y and get one of the most advanced Y-DNA tests.

GoldenHind
06-20-2019, 05:23 PM
Another alternative would be to do the 37 STR marker YDNA test and the R1b M343 backbone test. This should identify what P312 subclade you are in, which is likely to be DF27, but may be something else. This would allow you to see if you have any matches within their large database and join the P312 project and appropriate subclade project, which could be very helpful.However as suggested by Armando the Big Y is the best choice.

razyn
06-20-2019, 05:36 PM
Unsolicited endorsement: Armando posts from time to time on the 23andMe forum (for its customers), and he has spent a lot of time and energy in the thankless task of making sense of a customer's under-analyzed YDNA results there (usually P311, but from a chip as old as 2010, it's P312). Here's a fairly recent post of his that includes links back to the somewhat earlier ones on the topic. You may need to be a 23andMe customer for it to make sense, but over the past 2-3 years he has done a very good job of telling you what you can learn from an informed study of your own raw data -- with wildly varying results, depending on which version of their test you had. https://www.23andmeforums.com/discussion/comment/367119#Comment_367119

Gil Vicente
06-20-2019, 05:54 PM
Thanks everyone.

Well it seems that Big Y costs the equivalent of 6 23andme tests. It might be worth that much but i think i'm gonna try YSEQ following Armando's suggestion (R1b-M343 Orientation Panel):

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?currency=EUR&cPath=27&products_id=16349&osCsid=ba1fecc289035d7d7b9982c83faf99ff

Might be enough for what i want to know, and probably Big Y would give me the same information.

ArmandoR1b
06-20-2019, 10:44 PM
Thanks everyone.

Well it seems that Big Y costs the equivalent of 6 23andme tests. It might be worth that much but i think i'm gonna try YSEQ following Armando's suggestion (R1b-M343 Orientation Panel):

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?currency=EUR&cPath=27&products_id=16349&osCsid=ba1fecc289035d7d7b9982c83faf99ff
Don't forget to choose the $59 option of including Downstream Panels/



Might be enough for what i want to know, and probably Big Y would give me the same information.

Not even close. Yseq tests a limited number of SNPs. Big Y tests almost all known SNPs and also reports most of your unnamed mutations that can become named if another person is found with the same mutations. The good thing about the R1b-M343 Orientation Panel is that it is so inexpensive that you can do that first then decide if you want to know more or not.

ArmandoR1b
06-20-2019, 10:53 PM
Some additional information. There are about 6,495 known SNPs downstream from DF27 at http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=29 which are all from Big Y or a test of a similar level. There are only 321 SNPs downstream from DF27 that are tested by Yseq through the DF27 Panel.

Gil Vicente
06-20-2019, 10:58 PM
Don't forget to choose the $59 option of including Downstream Panels/


That's too late now. But i think i might choose to do it later after looking at results.

ArmandoR1b
06-20-2019, 11:09 PM
That's too late now. But i think i might choose to do it later after looking at results.

It might not be too late. Email them and let them know you forgot to choose it. They might allow the option.

TigerMW
06-20-2019, 11:30 PM
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Well it seems that Big Y costs the equivalent of 6 23andme tests. It might be worth that much...
Might be enough for what i want to know, and probably Big Y would give me the same information.
If you are really interested in your paternal lineage then Big Y700 is definitely worth that much. SNP Panels and Packs are really just testing for other peoples' SNPs.

Big Y (or FGC Elite) will give you your own line of SNPs. You could well be uncovering new branches on the Y tree. If you are lucky there are others with your surname testing too. You would need STR testing (like Y37 but better Y67) to show up in FTDNA projects.

If you get Big Y you also get the STRs, about 700 of them so you are also plugged into the largest Y DNA genetic genealogy database.

Here is today's FTDNA Y Tree for R1b (R-M343).
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-M343

It shows there are 9,018 branches under R-M343. How many does an SNP Pack or Panel give you?
Still that's not what's important. What's important is discovering your own line of SNPs.

Here number of branches, not SNPs, but known and document branches under DF27.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-DF27

1,251

I try to never say never but if you do Big Y700 you are practically done doing Y DNA testing on yourself.

Gil Vicente
08-08-2019, 06:59 PM
Just to update, Yseq has run my data and confirmed me as R1b-DF27. Now i will buy the panel one of these days.

Ruderico
08-08-2019, 07:02 PM
Just to update, Yseq has run my data and confirmed me as R1b-DF27. Now i will buy the panel one of these days.

You're the first and only Portuguese on the forum with the most common haplogroup in the country :lol:

Gil Vicente
08-08-2019, 07:05 PM
You're the first and only Portuguese on the forum with the most common haplogroup in the country :lol:

"We need more samples" :)