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Webb
06-21-2019, 01:27 PM
There is a French supernatural/crime/mystery series on Netflix. Itís called Black Spot in English. Zone Blanche in French. It caught my eye because it showed the silhouette of a horned figure in the preview. Itís not bad. Iíve watched two episodes so far, and it is starting to tie into some Celtic elements.

spruithean
06-21-2019, 01:38 PM
I had seen the thumbnail for it, but I have not watched it yet. I'll take a look. There was another show on Netflix which seemed to at least reference a Cernunnos like figure, although the show was a Hannibal Lector series, so it wasn't necessarily easy viewing for some :lol: .

Webb
06-25-2019, 08:04 PM
So I binged Season 1 and just started Season 2. The clues are leading the viewer to believe it is Cernunnos. There is even mention of the Belladonna plant being consumed to induce hallucinations.

spruithean
06-25-2019, 08:07 PM
So I binged Season 1 and just started Season 2. The clues are leading the viewer to believe it is Cernunnos. There is even mention of the Belladonna plant being consumed to induce hallucinations.

I watched some episodes last night, can't stand the English dubbing, so watching it in French. I noticed in the trailer the Gundestrup Cauldron reference and naturally I had to watch it.

Webb
06-25-2019, 08:12 PM
I watched some episodes last night, can't stand the English dubbing, so watching it in French. I noticed in the trailer the Gundestrup Cauldron reference and naturally I had to watch it.

Unfortunately I have to use the English dubbing because my wife is from China, and we need to use the Chinese subtitles. It's not a bad series.

rms2
06-26-2019, 02:30 PM
Anyone besides me remember the old 1980s British tv series, Robin of Sherwood, which featured Herne the Hunter (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Herne-the-Hunter)?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZZz2I10me4

Herne is a character from English folklore, but I've often thought there must be something of Cernunnos behind his legend.

spruithean
06-26-2019, 02:54 PM
Anyone besides me remember the old 1980s British tv series, Robin of Sherwood, which featured Herne the Hunter (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Herne-the-Hunter)?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZZz2I10me4

Herne is a character from English folklore, but I've often thought there must be something of Cernunnos behind his legend.

There is some merit to that, and they seem similar, also a possible Anglo-Saxon Woden influence too.

rms2
06-26-2019, 03:05 PM
There is some merit to that, and they seem similar, also a possible Anglo-Saxon Woden influence too.

Yeah, and I don't think it is much of a stretch to see a linguistic connection between the names Herne and Cernunnos, though I am no linguist.

As I recall movement back and forth between a kind of throaty h sound and the hard k sound is not unusual. Unless I am mistaken, the etymology of the name of Cornwall (Kernow) has to do with its position as the geographic horn of SW Britain, for example. A cornucopia is a "horn of plenty", etc.

So, I'm guessing the Cern in Cernunnos and the Herne in the Herne the Hunter relate to the horns on his head.

Andour
06-26-2019, 03:29 PM
Yeah, and I don't think it is much of a stretch to see a linguistic connection between the names Herne and Cernunnos, though I am no linguist.

As I recall movement back and forth between a kind of throaty h sound and the hard k sound is not unusual. Unless I am mistaken, the etymology of the name of Cornwall (Kernow) has to do with its position as the geographic horn of SW Britain, for example. A cornucopia is a "horn of plenty", etc.

So, I'm guessing the Cern in Cernunnos and the Herne in the Herne the Hunter relate to the horns on his head.

I just googled it and hit upon this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herne_the_Hunter

rms2
06-26-2019, 03:37 PM
I just googled it and hit upon this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herne_the_Hunter

Whoa! Based on that article, it looks like my guesses were pretty close to right:



In his 1929 book The History of the Devil – The Horned God of the West R. Lowe Thompson suggests that "Herne" as well as other Wild Huntsmen in European folklore all derive from the same ancient source, citing that "Herne" may be a cognate of the name of Gaulish deity Cernunnos in the same way that the English "horn" is a cognate of the Latin "cornu" (see Grimm's Law for more details on this linguistic feature) explaining that "As the Latin cornu changes into horn so might Cerne change into Herne." and adding "In any case the reader may also be prepared to recognize Cernunnos and the older magician, who emerge as the Wild Huntsman. My assumption is that these two forms have been derived from the same Palśolithic ancestor and can, indeed, be regarded as two aspects of one central figure, will help us to understand the identification of Herlechin and Herne, whom I will take as the most familiar example of the huntsman."[5] Some modern Neopagans such as Wiccans accept Lowe Thompson's equation of Herne with Cernunnos (which they further connect to the Greco-Roman god Pan).[6] Herne however is a localised figure, not found outside Berkshire and the regions of the surrounding counties into which Windsor Forest once spread. Clear evidence for the worship of Cernunnos has however been recovered only on the European mainland, and not in Britain.[7] "Herne" could be derived ultimately from the same Indo-European root, *ker-n-, meaning bone or horn from which "Cernunnos" derives.[8] However a more direct source may be the Old English hyrne, meaning "horn" or "corner",[9][10][11] which is inconsistent with the Cernunnos theory.[12]


The hanging legend sounds like spruithean was right about the connection to Woden/Odin, as well.

I don't agree with the author of that article that the Old English hyrne, meaning horn or corner, is "inconsistent with the Cernunnos theory", just the opposite, actually. If the name of the Celtic deity Cernunnos has its root in the word horn because of his horned head, then the same root for the name of Herne the hunter is not inconsistent with the idea that Herne is just a later legendary figure partly derived from the mythological Cernunnos.

rms2
06-26-2019, 04:04 PM
I also don't think the fact that the Herne the Hunter legend was localized and not found outside Berkshire tells against the Cernunnos connection. We shouldn't expect such legends with possible pagan roots to be widespread. After all, Britain experienced two conversions to Christianity that have intervened between the present and the time when Cernunnos may have been worshiped there: the first when the ancient Britons became Christians, and the second when the pagan Anglo-Saxons were converted.

The survival of traces of the old religion are naturally spotty, localized, and come in altered, confused forms.