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ZephyrousMandaru
12-25-2013, 02:20 AM
Admixture Analysis: 9 Continental Zones

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Admixture Analysis: 20 World Regions

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Admixture Analysis: Native Populations

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Admixture Analysis: All Populations (including Diasporic)

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Multi-Dimensional Scaling (MDS): 9 Continental Zones

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Multi-Dimensional Scaling (MDS): 20 World Regions

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Multi-Dimensional Scaling (MDS): All Populations (including Diasporic)

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Multi-Dimensional Scaling (MDS): Native Populations

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Total Similarity - List of All Populations

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The Total Population Similarity is, and I say this with absolute certitude, absolutely abysmal.

Humanist
12-25-2013, 02:46 AM
Zeph. Thank you very much for sharing your results. But, in my humble opinion, you are better off saving up for the Big-Y at FTDNA, or something along those lines, than testing your autosomal DNA with the various commercial outfits. You have your raw autosomal DNA from 23andMe. Your raw data is a part of the Dodecad, Eurogenes, and Harappa projects. Nothing currently offered by DNA Tribes, Geno 2.0, etc., will improve upon the avalanche of data/analyses accumulated in the 3+ years of the previously mentioned open DNA projects.

ZephyrousMandaru
12-25-2013, 02:57 AM
Zeph. Thank you very much for sharing your results. But, in my humble opinion, you are better off saving up for the Big-Y at FTDNA, or something along those lines, than testing your autosomal DNA with the various commercial outfits. You have your raw autosomal DNA from 23andMe. Your raw data is a part of the Dodecad, Eurogenes, and Harappa projects. Nothing currently offered by DNA Tribes, Geno 2.0, etc., will improve upon the avalanche of data/analyses accumulated in the 3+ years of the previously mentioned open DNA projects.

Thanks for the feedback Humanist, by the way, I purchased Family Tree DNA's Autosomal DNA Transfer as well. I uploaded my raw data file yesterday, I'll be posting my Family Finder results here soon. I agree with you about DNA Tribes especially, according to them, I'm more similar to French and Brits and many more genetically distant European populations than I am to Iraqi Jews lol. Honestly, I was just curious to know what my results would look like.

That's why I ordered this test, and the ones from Ancestry.com and Family Tree DNA as well.

cyna
12-25-2013, 04:11 AM
DNA Tribes is garbage. I am suspect of any "service" that provides no feedback on how they derive results. And those results are suspect at best. Waste of money (and I am sad to say I was suckered too).

ZephyrousMandaru
12-25-2013, 04:45 AM
DNA Tribes is garbage. I am suspect of any "service" that provides no feedback on how they derive results. And those results are suspect at best. Waste of money (and I am sad to say I was suckered too).

Agreed, I did more out of curiosity than anything. It was only $19.99 for their SNP Update, and I thought why the hell not. But yeah, their methods of deducing population similarity is horrendous. My Oracle results completely contradict these estimates by an order of magnitude.

AJL
12-25-2013, 05:10 PM
DNA Tribes is garbage. I am suspect of any "service" that provides no feedback on how they derive results. And those results are suspect at best. Waste of money (and I am sad to say I was suckered too).

While I completely agree their STR analysis is garbage for most people, their SNP analysis is not nearly as bad -- not terrific, but not bad either. Here's my top-25 from my 2011 SNP analysis.


Rank Population Average Similarity Match Map Section

1 Tuscany Italy 0.7570 ‐ Europe
2 European‐American Utah 0.7568 ‐ Diaspora
3 Spain 0.7565 ‐ Europe
4 France 0.7558 ‐ Europe
5 Cornwall West Britain 0.7556 ‐ Europe
6 England 0.7555 ‐ Europe
7 Orkney Islands Scotland 0.7553 ‐ Europe
8 Basque France 0.7545 ‐ Europe
9 Slovenia 0.7544 ‐ Europe
10 Finland 0.7544 ‐ Europe
11 Hungary 0.7542 ‐ Europe
12 Sardinia 0.7542 ‐ Europe
13 Ukraine (mixed) 0.7541 ‐ Europe
14 Ashkenazi Jewish Europe 0.7536 ‐ Diaspora
15 Armenian 0.7534 ‐ Caucasus
16 Bergamo Italy 0.7534 ‐ Europe
17 Romania 0.7527 ‐ Europe
18 Bulgaria 0.7526 ‐ Europe
19 Druze Israel‐Carmel 0.7523 ‐ Middle East
20 Kurdish 0.7518 ‐ Middle East
21 Vologda Russia 0.7516 ‐ Europe
22 Turkey 0.7512 ‐ Caucasus
23 Palestinian Israel 0.7510 ‐ Middle East
24 Sephardic Jewish Turkey 0.7506 ‐ Diaspora
25 Georgia Caucasus 0.7505 ‐ Caucasus

Humanist
12-25-2013, 05:58 PM
Honestly, I was just curious to know what my results would look like.

I hear ya. Nothing wrong with that. Unless an Assyrian is recently mixed, the following is a summary of what an Eastern Assyrian who tests their autosomal DNA may expect (based on 3+ years of open DNA project results):

1.Assyrians are most similar to Iraqi Mandaeans and Eastern Mizrahi Jews. After that, the first population we are most similar to are the Indo-European speaking Armenians.
2.Assyrians ARE NOT very similar to Syrians, Palestinians, etc.
3.Assyrians often have very low levels of the various "North European" and "African" component values.
4.The principal component in Assyrians is ordinarily a component that is today modal in the Caucasus.

tolga1989
12-25-2013, 05:58 PM
Those are my snp analysis results:
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AJL
12-25-2013, 06:21 PM
Those are my snp analysis results:

On that last view, you are just slightly west of the Armenian samples, which makes perfect sense for Turkish ancestry.

tolga1989
12-25-2013, 06:39 PM
This one includes all populations. DNA tribes has also Turkish samples, yet they don't fit my dna. It makes sense, since I have no known Turkish ancestry. All my grandparents claim to be something else than Turkish. They rather associate themselves with places where they're from.

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Dr_McNinja
12-25-2013, 07:08 PM
There should be some way to do what DNA Tribes does for free. Especially the Total Similarity Analysis which is like a more globalized version of 23andMe's One-To-Many Gene Comparison feature.

The Oracle feature of the admixture calculators is close enough but only really handles a few populations.

AJL
12-25-2013, 08:26 PM
This one includes all populations. DNA tribes has also Turkish samples, yet they don't fit my dna. It makes sense, since I have no known Turkish ancestry. All my grandparents claim to be something else than Turkish. They rather associate themselves with places where they're from.

1101

True, and yet you also average out to Turkey, so in a sense you are "virtual Turkish."

ZephyrousMandaru
12-25-2013, 08:59 PM
I hear ya. Nothing wrong with that. Unless an Assyrian is recently mixed, the following is a summary of what an Eastern Assyrian who tests their autosomal DNA may expect (based on 3+ years of open DNA project results):

1.Assyrians are most similar to Iraqi Mandaeans and Eastern Mizrahi Jews. After that, the first population we are most similar to are the Indo-European speaking Armenians.
2.Assyrians ARE NOT very similar to Syrians, Palestinians, etc.
3.Assyrians often have very low levels of the various "North European" and "African" component values.
4.The principal component in Assyrians is ordinarily a component that is today modal in the Caucasus.

I agree, but comparatively, Syrians and Palestinians and even Yemeni Jews are genetically closer to me than a French, Brit or Lithuanian is. My genetic distance to all those European populations is significantly higher than it is for Syrians and Palestinians.

ZephyrousMandaru
12-25-2013, 09:03 PM
While I completely agree their STR analysis is garbage for most people, their SNP analysis is not nearly as bad -- not terrific, but not bad either. Here's my top-25 from my 2011 SNP analysis.


Rank Population Average Similarity Match Map Section

1 Tuscany Italy 0.7570 ‐ Europe
2 European‐American Utah 0.7568 ‐ Diaspora
3 Spain 0.7565 ‐ Europe
4 France 0.7558 ‐ Europe
5 Cornwall West Britain 0.7556 ‐ Europe
6 England 0.7555 ‐ Europe
7 Orkney Islands Scotland 0.7553 ‐ Europe
8 Basque France 0.7545 ‐ Europe
9 Slovenia 0.7544 ‐ Europe
10 Finland 0.7544 ‐ Europe
11 Hungary 0.7542 ‐ Europe
12 Sardinia 0.7542 ‐ Europe
13 Ukraine (mixed) 0.7541 ‐ Europe
14 Ashkenazi Jewish Europe 0.7536 ‐ Diaspora
15 Armenian 0.7534 ‐ Caucasus
16 Bergamo Italy 0.7534 ‐ Europe
17 Romania 0.7527 ‐ Europe
18 Bulgaria 0.7526 ‐ Europe
19 Druze Israel‐Carmel 0.7523 ‐ Middle East
20 Kurdish 0.7518 ‐ Middle East
21 Vologda Russia 0.7516 ‐ Europe
22 Turkey 0.7512 ‐ Caucasus
23 Palestinian Israel 0.7510 ‐ Middle East
24 Sephardic Jewish Turkey 0.7506 ‐ Diaspora
25 Georgia Caucasus 0.7505 ‐ Caucasus


My top populations did not include Mizrahim Jews, in fact, according to this analysis I was closer to the British and French before Iraqi and Iranian Jews. Who are normally all the way at the top of my list.

Humanist
12-26-2013, 04:01 AM
I agree, but comparatively, Syrians and Palestinians and even Yemeni Jews are genetically closer to me than a French, Brit or Lithuanian is. My genetic distance to all those European populations is significantly higher than it is for Syrians and Palestinians.

Yes. We are more similar to most Levantine/Arabian populations than we are to most European populations. Although Levantine populations appear significantly down on my list of populations, no European population (excluding Cypriots) appear.

My Single Population results support that.

Dodecad K12b


# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 3.8
2 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 5.67
3 Assyrian (Dodecad) 5.75
4 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 6.19
5 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 7
6 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 7.2
7 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 10.07
8 Armenian (Dodecad) 10.24
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 10.73
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.66
11 Turks (Behar) 11.99
12 Lebanese (Behar) 12.28
13 Druze (HGDP) 12.31
14 Iranian (Dodecad) 12.97
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.54
16 Syrians (Behar) 14.55
17 Iranians (Behar) 14.69
18 Armenians (Behar) 15.42
19 Jordanians (Behar) 16.99
20 Cypriots (Behar) 17.08

Harappa


# Population (source) Distance
1 assyrian (harappa) 2.46
2 iranian-jew (behar) 3.94
3 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 4.22
4 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 4.32
5 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 5.07
6 georgia-jew (behar) 5.38
7 iraq-jew (behar) 5.86
8 armenian (harappa) 6.53
9 armenian (yunusbayev) 8.83
10 kurd (yunusbayev) 9.56
11 lebanese-druze (haber) 10.19
12 kurd (xing) 10.23
13 turkish (harappa) 10.74
14 kurd (harappa) 10.96
15 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.96
16 armenian (behar) 11.43
17 lebanese-christian (haber) 11.53
18 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.87
19 azeri (harappa) 11.93
20 palestinian (harappa) 12.39

Eurogenes K13


# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri_Jewish 2.51
2 Georgian_Jewish 3.21
3 Assyrian 3.25
4 Armenian 5.93
5 Kurdish 10.35
6 Turkish 11.1
7 Iranian 11.3
8 Lebanese_Muslim 11.82
9 Syrian 13.49
10 Lebanese_Druze 15.57
11 Lebanese_Christian 16.23
12 Cyprian 16.39
13 Jordanian 17.81
14 Samaritan 17.91
15 Palestinian 19.14
16 Georgian 21.25
17 Kumyk 22.23
18 Abhkasian 22.27
19 Bedouin 22.88
20 Turkmen 23.52

ZephyrousMandaru
12-26-2013, 07:34 AM
Yes. We are more similar to most Levantine/Arabian populations than we are to most European populations. Although Levantine populations appear significantly down on my list of populations, no European population (excluding Cypriots) appear.

My Single Population results support that.

Dodecad K12b


# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 3.8
2 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 5.67
3 Assyrian (Dodecad) 5.75
4 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 6.19
5 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 7
6 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 7.2
7 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 10.07
8 Armenian (Dodecad) 10.24
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 10.73
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.66
11 Turks (Behar) 11.99
12 Lebanese (Behar) 12.28
13 Druze (HGDP) 12.31
14 Iranian (Dodecad) 12.97
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.54
16 Syrians (Behar) 14.55
17 Iranians (Behar) 14.69
18 Armenians (Behar) 15.42
19 Jordanians (Behar) 16.99
20 Cypriots (Behar) 17.08

Harappa


# Population (source) Distance
1 assyrian (harappa) 2.46
2 iranian-jew (behar) 3.94
3 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 4.22
4 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 4.32
5 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 5.07
6 georgia-jew (behar) 5.38
7 iraq-jew (behar) 5.86
8 armenian (harappa) 6.53
9 armenian (yunusbayev) 8.83
10 kurd (yunusbayev) 9.56
11 lebanese-druze (haber) 10.19
12 kurd (xing) 10.23
13 turkish (harappa) 10.74
14 kurd (harappa) 10.96
15 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.96
16 armenian (behar) 11.43
17 lebanese-christian (haber) 11.53
18 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.87
19 azeri (harappa) 11.93
20 palestinian (harappa) 12.39

Eurogenes K13


# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri_Jewish 2.51
2 Georgian_Jewish 3.21
3 Assyrian 3.25
4 Armenian 5.93
5 Kurdish 10.35
6 Turkish 11.1
7 Iranian 11.3
8 Lebanese_Muslim 11.82
9 Syrian 13.49
10 Lebanese_Druze 15.57
11 Lebanese_Christian 16.23
12 Cyprian 16.39
13 Jordanian 17.81
14 Samaritan 17.91
15 Palestinian 19.14
16 Georgian 21.25
17 Kumyk 22.23
18 Abhkasian 22.27
19 Bedouin 22.88
20 Turkmen 23.52

Yeah, I wasn't trying to suggest that they were incredibly close. But when your population similarity with Lithuanians is higher than relatively genetically similar populations, such as the Druze and the Lebanese, and especially the Eastern Mizrahim Jews than something's definitely off.

My Dodecad K12b Oracle Genetic Distances For Northern Europeans, Levantines/Arabians and Mesopotamian and Anatolian Populations Ranked In Descending Order From Most Similar To Least Similar


Red Very Similar

Yellow Similar

Green Relatively Similar

Blue Dissimilar

Purple Very Dissimilar



[1,] "Assyrian_D" "4.7958"
[2,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "5.0299"
[3,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "5.8395"
[4,] "Georgia_Jews" "6.118"
[5,] "Iranian_Jews" "6.5422"
[6,] "Iraq_Jews" "6.9527"
[7,] "Armenian_D" "9.3686"
[8,] "Armenians_15_Y" "9.718"
[9,] "Druze" "10.6005"
[11,] "Lebanese" "12.01"
[14,] "Syrians" "15.1496"
[19,] "Jordanians" "17.4505"
[21,] "Samaritians" "20.0701"
[22,] "Palestinian" "20.2724"
[47,] "Yemen_Jews" "42.7552"
[80,] "French" "64.9574"
[83,] "French_D" "65.1434"
[88,] "German_D" "66.8877"
[89,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "68.0753"
[93,] "Dutch_D" "70.2668"
[94,] "Kent_1KG" "71.1694"
[95,] "CEU30" "71.6614"
[96,] "English_D" "71.6832"
[101,] "Cornwall_1KG" "72.3381"
[103,] "British_D" "73.0385"
[109,] "Irish_D" "74.2876"
[111,] "Orcadian" "74.5745"
[112,] "Orkney_1KG" "74.8166"
[124,] "Russian_B" "77.226"
[128,] "Russian_D" "77.8159"
[129,] "Swedish_D" "78.0624"
[130,] "Russian" "78.2426"
[132,] "Norwegian_D" "78.3206"
[133,] "Belorussian" "78.5891"
[142,] "French_Basque" "82.2182"
[147,] "Lithuanian_D" "84.9457"

tolga1989
01-04-2014, 01:10 PM
I just got the DNA tribe analysis of my mother's raw data.

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