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Baraona
07-11-2019, 08:04 PM
Hi! I did my first autosomal test befor read about their problems of interpretation. Then I upload the raw data on other sites, and I detect the most important inconsistences:

* it dont read well and mix the iberian with the amerindian porcentages (almost closed 31% in ftdna, dna.land, gedmatch vs 47% in MH).

*In MH appears 8,8% north african amd nigerian. In the ftdna interpretation, 0% african and 7% egyptian/arab, and in dna land appears east african.

* In MH appears an 11% scandinavian, but dont appear in any other interpretation.

* In MH appears 0% azkenazi, but in dna.land it pops.

Someone have an interpretation about this results?

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Cheers!

digital_noise
07-11-2019, 09:10 PM
Good question! I think many of us are asking the same thing about our own results.

That said, each of the results you posted likely have different sources that your results were compared to to achieve the results you have, so dont take each one literally just yet.

You are Chilean, so I think its safe to assume some sort of indigenous Native American will be present and some sort of European, likely Iberian. You score both of those on just about every test you posted so assume that is correct. To what degree is native and what is European, its hard to say without any sort of investigations. In my opinion, its the outliers that are the issue here and confirming which is correct and which is not.

North African from one test is likely Arab/Levantine from another. Its going to be very tricky to figure out what is real and what is not. A good place to start is doing some sort of genealogical research. Determining where your European ancestry is from will likely shed light on which of the minor ethnicities are correct and what are not. An example is your Iberian. Parts of Iberia will show a minor North African result. Others might show a stronger Sub- Saharan signal.

If you have not already, upload your raw data to Gedmatch. I wouldnt trust the oracles there but the break downs can help pinpoint things

Baraona
07-12-2019, 03:00 PM
Thanks!!! yes, i think Im a pretty average urban central region Chilean. My paternal grandfather and grandmother can trace their genealogy to the XVI century spaniards, so the admix between iberian an amerindian on that side is like 400 hundred years old. For my mother side, my grandfather is three-quarters italian (Basilicata, south Italy) and a quarter chilean, and my mothernal grandmother is where I think I got the mayority of amerindian porcentage (still, in my genealogy, the only picunche surname, "Melitegua", was already lost in the 1870s).

So, in conclusion, what I see is MyHeritage recognice the mestizo, or the early mixture on the conquest period, as amerindian ("mesoamerican an andinean" is the line on the report). 47,4% vs 31% aprox on the other sites is a big chunk.


This are my eurogenes k36 results:

Population
Amerindian 27.78 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.38 Pct
Central_African 0.44 Pct
Central_Euro 6.91 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.11 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 2.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 3.04 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.31 Pct
French 0.54 Pct
Iberian 22.14 Pct
Indo-Chinese 0.19 Pct
Italian 10.15 Pct
Malayan 0.09 Pct
Near_Eastern 10.29 Pct
North_African 0.42 Pct
North_Atlantic 2.59 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.36 Pct
North_Sea 3.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.49 Pct
West_Med -

Ruderico
07-12-2019, 03:11 PM
I suggest you try Eurogenes' K13 and K15 on Gedmatch or yourdnaportal aswell since they have oracles that can give you some aid. Anyway, eyeballing your K36 seems like you're mostly Iberian with native (Mapuche probably) ancestry

Baraona
07-12-2019, 03:38 PM
Thanks!

Yeah, I think the amerindian is a mixture with a mayority of Picunche (central region mapuche, also called Promaucaes, not the araucanian tribes, because they start to mix with the chilean mestizo population on the middle of the XIX century and not before), with some incan mitimaes from the first stage of the spanish settlement.

Lets see:

K13:
North_Atlantic 23.62 Pct
Baltic 7.07 Pct
West_Med 17.03 Pct
West_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_Med 12.36 Pct
Red_Sea 3.05 Pct
South_Asian 0.85 Pct
East_Asian 0.10 Pct
Siberian 0.32 Pct
Amerindian 30.40 Pct
Oceanian 0.49 Pct
Northeast_African 0.52 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.83 Pct

K15:
North_Sea 12.06 Pct
Atlantic 19.79 Pct
Baltic 3.49 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.63 Pct
West_Med 12.48 Pct
West_Asian 2.33 Pct
East_Med 11.16 Pct
Red_Sea 3.28 Pct
South_Asian 0.74 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 30.25 Pct
Oceanian 0.33 Pct
Northeast_African 0.25 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.92 Pct

Ruderico
07-12-2019, 03:46 PM
Yeah, around 30% pre-Columbian ancestry, give or take a few %. You European side seems mostly Iberian, although your East Med score seems proportionally a little on the high side (for example I have 9% on K15 and I'm full Iberian). It could be West/South Iberian ancestry, or North/East Iberian ancestry with a bit of Italian or thereabouts. The Oracles will probably give you a better clue than I can

Baraona
07-12-2019, 04:22 PM
That 11% scandinavian on the MH report is still a mistery to me...

digital_noise
07-12-2019, 04:39 PM
Seems that many people of Iberian decent see that from myHeritage. Not sure why, if it’s just their algorithm or if it’s legitimate.


That 11% scandinavian on the MH report is still a mistery to me...

Ruderico
07-12-2019, 04:41 PM
Seems that many people of Iberian decent see that from myHeritage. Not sure why, if it’s just their algorithm or if it’s legitimate.

It's MyHeritage being odd again, I've seen Portuguese individuals with ~30%. His results don't seem to hint at any Scandinavian ancestry, unless it's residual and thus very hard to estimate

Shadogowah
07-12-2019, 04:46 PM
Seems that many people of Iberian decent see that from myHeritage. Not sure why, if it’s just their algorithm or if it’s legitimate.

Not only in MyHeritage. I see the same in many others. My mother even gets a decent 7% in FTDNA too.

My bet is shared ancestral HG ancestry.

Baraona
07-12-2019, 04:52 PM
The k15 oracle says:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Murcia 38.28
2 North_Italian 38.31
3 Spanish_Extremadura 38.33
4 Portuguese 38.49
5 Tuscan 38.65
6 Spanish_Galicia 38.9
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 38.9
8 Spanish_Cataluna 39.17
9 Spanish_Andalucia 39.19
10 Spanish_Valencia 39.2
11 Romanian 39.41
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 39.5
13 Bulgarian 39.53
14 Serbian 39.67
15 Greek_Thessaly 39.69
16 French 39.79
17 West_Sicilian 39.82
18 Spanish_Cantabria 39.87
19 Italian_Abruzzo 40.02
20 Spanish_Aragon 40.11

and

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Spanish_Murcia + 30.4% Karitiana @ 4.02
2 65% Spanish_Murcia + 35% Mayan @ 4.14
3 67% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Anzick-1 @ 4.18
4 66.2% Spanish_Murcia + 33.8% Pima @ 4.23
5 69.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 30.4% Karitiana @ 4.28
6 67% Spanish_Extremadura + 33% Anzick-1 @ 4.44
7 66.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 33.8% Pima @ 4.45
8 65% Spanish_Extremadura + 35% Mayan @ 4.49
9 69.6% North_Italian + 30.4% Karitiana @ 4.77
10 64.5% Spanish_Valencia + 35.5% Mayan @ 4.93
11 65.7% Spanish_Valencia + 34.3% Pima @ 4.95
12 65% North_Italian + 35% Mayan @ 4.99
13 66.5% Spanish_Valencia + 33.5% Anzick-1 @ 5.03
14 69.1% Spanish_Valencia + 30.9% Karitiana @ 5.12
15 65.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.2% Pima @ 5.14
16 67.1% North_Italian + 32.9% Anzick-1 @ 5.15
17 69.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.8% Karitiana @ 5.15
18 64.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 35.5% Mayan @ 5.18
19 66.3% North_Italian + 33.7% Pima @ 5.19
20 66.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.5% Anzick-1 @ 5.21

...
i dont have and idea on how read this, hahaha.

digital_noise
07-12-2019, 05:08 PM
The k15 oracle says:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Murcia 38.28
2 North_Italian 38.31
3 Spanish_Extremadura 38.33
4 Portuguese 38.49
5 Tuscan 38.65
6 Spanish_Galicia 38.9
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 38.9
8 Spanish_Cataluna 39.17
9 Spanish_Andalucia 39.19
10 Spanish_Valencia 39.2
11 Romanian 39.41
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 39.5
13 Bulgarian 39.53
14 Serbian 39.67
15 Greek_Thessaly 39.69
16 French 39.79
17 West_Sicilian 39.82
18 Spanish_Cantabria 39.87
19 Italian_Abruzzo 40.02
20 Spanish_Aragon 40.11

and

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Spanish_Murcia + 30.4% Karitiana @ 4.02
2 65% Spanish_Murcia + 35% Mayan @ 4.14
3 67% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Anzick-1 @ 4.18
4 66.2% Spanish_Murcia + 33.8% Pima @ 4.23
5 69.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 30.4% Karitiana @ 4.28
6 67% Spanish_Extremadura + 33% Anzick-1 @ 4.44
7 66.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 33.8% Pima @ 4.45
8 65% Spanish_Extremadura + 35% Mayan @ 4.49
9 69.6% North_Italian + 30.4% Karitiana @ 4.77
10 64.5% Spanish_Valencia + 35.5% Mayan @ 4.93
11 65.7% Spanish_Valencia + 34.3% Pima @ 4.95
12 65% North_Italian + 35% Mayan @ 4.99
13 66.5% Spanish_Valencia + 33.5% Anzick-1 @ 5.03
14 69.1% Spanish_Valencia + 30.9% Karitiana @ 5.12
15 65.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.2% Pima @ 5.14
16 67.1% North_Italian + 32.9% Anzick-1 @ 5.15
17 69.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.8% Karitiana @ 5.15
18 64.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 35.5% Mayan @ 5.18
19 66.3% North_Italian + 33.7% Pima @ 5.19
20 66.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.5% Anzick-1 @ 5.21

...
i dont have and idea on how read this, hahaha.

Basically you are primarily Iberian, with a Native element.

The oracles use a statistical method to "determine" what your ethnicity likely is. They can be very accurate, they can be very inaccurate.

What does the 4-way oracle say? These distances are kind of high @ 4%

Ruderico
07-12-2019, 05:19 PM
i dont have and idea on how read this, hahaha.

It's basically what I was saying, 70% South/West Iberian (Murcia/Extremadura) + 30% Native. North Italian shows up aswell, if you have North/East Iberian ancestry + smaller amounts of North Italian the algorithm may read it just as South/West Iberian because it's forced to use 2 populations only, and one of them has to be native American because you obviously have a good chunk of it.

However keep in mind that not everyone has a best match to their region or origin, for example I'm Portuguese but in K15 my closest match is Aragón. Portugal is actually the 2nd worse Iberian match, after Galicia. This means that, just because your European closest match is Murcia, it doesn't mean that most of your Spanish ancestors are from that region

Shadogowah
07-12-2019, 05:22 PM
(Murcia is South East)

Ruderico
07-12-2019, 05:24 PM
(Murcia is South East)

I know, but the results in K15 are "pretty different" from regions like Valencia, Aragón or La Mancha. More North Sea, less Atlantic. More East Med, less West Med, etc

edit: for reference https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit#gid=1872836177

Baraona
07-12-2019, 07:14 PM
The 4-Oracle results:

K13
1 Greek_Thessaly + Karitiana + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.756618
2 Greek_Thessaly + Karitiana + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.779778
3 Greek_Thessaly + Karitiana + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.839024
4 Greek_Thessaly + Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.853576
5 Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + West_Sicilian @ 5.855690
6 Karitiana + Portuguese + Portuguese + West_Sicilian @ 5.876651
7 French + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 5.877377
8 Greek_Thessaly + Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.881365
9 Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Sicilian @ 5.890231
10 Karitiana + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + West_Sicilian @ 5.893970
11 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.896634
12 Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.902992
13 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.908926
14 Algerian_Jewish + French + Karitiana + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.918489
15 East_Sicilian + Karitiana + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.920330
16 Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.926630
17 Greek_Thessaly + Karitiana + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.930355
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.931429
19 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.938548
20 Karitiana + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + West_Sicilian @ 5.939748

K15
1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish + South_Dutch @ 6.061609
2 Karitiana + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Sicilian @ 6.130599
3 French_Basque + Karitiana + South_Dutch + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.160028
4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Tunisian_Jewish + West_German @ 6.174529
5 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.176127
6 Karitiana + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + West_Sicilian @ 6.182201
7 French + French_Basque + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.183273
8 French + French_Basque + Karitiana + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.213581
9 Algerian_Jewish + Karitiana + South_Dutch + Spanish_Aragon @ 6.217002
10 Karitiana + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + West_Sicilian @ 6.222515
11 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + West_German @ 6.228265
12 Karitiana + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Sicilian @ 6.238956
13 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + South_Dutch @ 6.247479
14 Algerian_Jewish + French + French_Basque + Karitiana @ 6.270544
15 Algerian_Jewish + Karitiana + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 6.280342
16 Karitiana + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Sicilian @ 6.298613
17 Karitiana + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Sicilian @ 6.299901
18 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 6.331754
19 Karitiana + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Sicilian @ 6.332365
20 Karitiana + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Sicilian @ 6.334482

Ruderico
07-12-2019, 07:27 PM
4-Oracle doesn't help much because it can on it give you 25% native, but you have more than that, so the rest of the model needs to compensate :/

Baraona
07-12-2019, 07:43 PM
Ok!!! Now I understand!!! Thanks!

Baraona
07-12-2019, 08:09 PM
*repeated post. Sorry*