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Helves
07-14-2019, 11:14 PM
With barely any new relevant samples added, these two runs are still my best fits using BA-IA averages in the spreadsheet.

distance%=1.7727"

Helves_scaled

Levant_Canaanite_MBA,41.6
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA,35.4
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,23

"distance%=1.6887"

Helves_scaled

Levant_Canaanite_MBA,39
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA,24
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,20.6
IRN_Hasanlu_IA,16.4


But I'm starting to think that we might not get aDNA from Syria or Iraq in years.

Helves
07-14-2019, 11:32 PM
Thanks

At last Yezidi samples, the samples seem like a cross between Kurdish average and Zoroastrain/Iranian Fars average. Ezidi samples also seem to have slightly higher Steppe compared to the Kurdish average. Kurds are closest to Lors, but with higher steppe. Theory that the Kurmanji/Sorani originated in West Iran seems IMO more plausible. Shame that the Azeri_Iran samples were removed, been better to have more NW Iran samples. .

Interesting though that the Yezidi average scores more Turkish/East Eurasian related than the Kurdish one. I would've guessed it to be the other way around.

"distance%=1.5456"

Kurdish

IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C,71
TKM_IA,25.4
Anatolia_Ottoman,3.6

"distance%=1.8217"

Ezid

IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C,67.2
TKM_IA,27.8
Anatolia_Ottoman,5

DMXX
07-15-2019, 01:28 AM
I've run an iteration of Helves' model (with the addition of the Dinka) for all individual W/NW Iranian populations in G25 (excluding Iranian Azeris, who've been removed, quite unfortunately). I'm the closest representative to them right now (over half).



Sample Details Fit Map Anatolia Ottoman--MA2195 Dinka IRN Hajji Firuz C TKM IA
1 Custom:AGUser_DMXX 3.0487 Open Map 7.8 0.8 62.2 29.2
2 Custom:AGUser_Mori_yek 2.1435 Open Map 4.8 0.8 76.8 17.6
3 Custom:AGUser_StarDS9 2.6264 Open Map 5 0 67.2 27.8
4 IRN_Hasanlu_IA:F38 2.6882 Open Map 1 0 84.4 14.6
5 Iranian_Lor:LORII19 Modern; 2.58 Open Map 6.2 1.2 77 15.6
6 Iranian_Lor:LORII34 Modern; 3.2072 Open Map 5 1.4 79.2 14.4
7 Iranian_Lor:LORII36 Modern; 3.3557 Open Map 0 1.6 80.6 17.8
8 Iranian_Lor:LORII44 Modern; 3.3644 Open Map 4.6 1.2 76.4 17.8
9 Iranian_Lor:LORII48 Modern; 2.7461 Open Map 6 0 76 18
10 Iranian_Lor:LORII50 Modern; 2.8128 Open Map 6 1 77.4 15.6
11 Iranian_Lor:LORII51 Modern; 2.5972 Open Map 4.4 1.8 82 11.8
12 Iranian_Lor:LORII52 Modern; 2.885 Open Map 2.4 0.2 75.8 21.6
13 Iranian_Lor:LORII58 Modern; 3.082 Open Map 5 0 77.6 17.4
14 Iranian_Lor:LORII9 Modern; 2.1486 Open Map 8.6 1 79.4 11
25 Kurdish:KRD-14 2.7405 Open Map 2.8 0 83.8 13.4
26 Kurdish:KRD-31 3.149 Open Map 3 0 78.4 18.6
27 Kurdish:KRD-40 2.232 Open Map 6.4 0 76.8 16.8
28 Kurdish:KRD-43 2.9044 Open Map 3 0.4 79.4 17.2
29 Kurdish:KRD-45 2.9222 Open Map 1.4 0.8 72 25.8
30 Kurdish:KRD-49 3.4237 Open Map 2 0 75.6 22.4
31 Kurdish:KRD-5 2.5963 Open Map 3.6 0 78.8 17.6
32 Kurdish:KRD-8 2.9149 Open Map 2.8 0.6 80.6 16
33 Kurdish:kurd1101 Modern; 2.0978 Open Map 3.4 0.2 78 18.4
34 Kurdish:kurd1156 Modern; 2.3603 Open Map 4.4 0 86 9.6
35 Kurdish:kurd1159 Modern; 2.3393 Open Map 2.8 0 73.6 23.6
36 Ezid:EZI-001 3.1904 Open Map 1.8 0.2 72.4 25.6
37 Ezid:EZI-010 2.2194 Open Map 5.2 0.2 68.8 25.8
38 Ezid:EZI-012 2.9591 Open Map 4.6 1 71.8 22.6
39 Ezid:EZI-013 3.0367 Open Map 2.6 0 77.8 19.6
40 Ezid:EZI-020 3.1023 Open Map 4.8 0 68 27.2
41 Ezid:EZI-029 3.248 Open Map 5.6 2 78.8 13.6
42 Ezid:EZI-060 2.9524 Open Map 3.6 0.4 81.4 14.6
43 Ezid:EZI-074 3.4684 Open Map 5.4 0.4 77 17.2


None of the Yezidis surpass StarDS9, Turkmenistan_IA-wise (he, I and the Iranian user 'NK19191' are in the top 2-5% for steppe-related admixture in NW/N Iranian-related peoples). They also don't look much different to other Kurdish groups with respect to the other components.

As we already knew, Kurmanji Kurds, Lors and Iranian Azeris are basically MLBA steppe and Medieval Turkish-shifted variations of a Hasanlu_IA type population (I personally think this was an early Median). We can safely add Yezidis to that list, now. The Turkmenistan_IA admixture differences between Lurs vs. Kurmanjis + Azeris + Yezidis might represent additional Parthian admixture in us relative to them. IMO, that would support the idea that "we" are predominantly Median-derived, with variable amounts of additional TRK_IA (?Parthian) and Medieval Turkish.

I'll calculate the means for these shortly (will list the "KRD" and "kurd" averages separately, as Star indicated to us months ago that the latter group are Anatolian-shifted Turkish Kurds).

DMXX
07-15-2019, 04:14 PM
I re-ran the model again, with the addition of my AASI_NW simulation. I realised that some of the Medieval Turkish scores were inflated (particularly for Lors). The majority of the fits improved.



Sample Details Fit Map Anatolia Ottoman--MA2195 Dinka IRN Hajji Firuz C Simulated AASI NW By DMXX TKM IA
1 Custom:AGUser_DMXX 2.7087 Open Map 5.8 0.8 64 2.8 26.6
2 Custom:AGUser_Mori_yek 2.0318 Open Map 3.6 0.6 77.4 1.8 16.6
3 Custom:AGUser_StarDS9 2.5547 Open Map 3.6 0 69.2 1.6 25.6
4 Ezid:EZI-001 3.1753 Open Map 1.8 0.2 73.4 1 23.6
5 Ezid:EZI-010 2.3619 Open Map 2.6 0.2 69.8 0.6 26.8
6 Ezid:EZI-012 2.9742 Open Map 2.6 1 72.8 1 22.6
7 Ezid:EZI-013 2.8617 Open Map 1.2 0 79.2 1.4 18.2
8 Ezid:EZI-020 2.6099 Open Map 2 0 70.2 3 24.8
9 Ezid:EZI-029 3.0945 Open Map 3 1.8 81.8 2.6 10.8
10 Ezid:EZI-060 2.6866 Open Map 2.4 0.2 83 2 12.4
11 Ezid:EZI-074 3.118 Open Map 2.2 0.4 77.8 2.2 17.4
12 IRN_Hasanlu_IA:Average 2.8876 Open Map 1.6 0 87 0.8 10.6
13 Iranian_Lor:LORII19 Modern; 2.326 Open Map 3.8 1.2 79.6 3 12.4
14 Iranian_Lor:LORII34 Modern; 2.9853 Open Map 3.2 1.2 79.8 2.2 13.6
15 Iranian_Lor:LORII36 Modern; 3.4889 Open Map 0 1 84.6 1.2 13.2
16 Iranian_Lor:LORII44 Modern; 2.9632 Open Map 3.4 1 78.2 2.8 14.6
17 Iranian_Lor:LORII48 Modern; 2.6995 Open Map 2.8 0 76.4 1.4 19.4
18 Iranian_Lor:LORII50 Modern; 2.3388 Open Map 3.6 0.6 78.8 3 14
19 Iranian_Lor:LORII51 Modern; 2.3501 Open Map 2.2 1.6 82.2 2 12
20 Iranian_Lor:LORII52 Modern; 2.821 Open Map 1.2 0.4 76.8 1.2 20.4
21 Iranian_Lor:LORII58 Modern; 3.1582 Open Map 3.8 0 78 0.4 17.8
22 Iranian_Lor:LORII9 Modern; 2.3132 Open Map 5.4 1 82 2 9.6
23 Kurdish:KRD-14 2.5446 Open Map 1.8 0 85 1.8 11.4
24 Kurdish:KRD-31 3.3255 Open Map 2.2 0 82.4 0.6 14.8
25 Kurdish:KRD-40 2.5066 Open Map 4.4 0 79.8 1.2 14.6
26 Kurdish:KRD-43 2.963 Open Map 1.8 0.4 82.2 1.2 14.4
27 Kurdish:KRD-45 2.9515 Open Map 1.4 0.6 72.6 0.2 25.2
28 Kurdish:KRD-49 3.3333 Open Map 1.6 0 75.8 1.2 21.4
29 Kurdish:KRD-5 2.799 Open Map 2.6 0 83.2 1.6 12.6
30 Kurdish:KRD-8 3.1965 Open Map 2.8 0.6 85 1 10.6
31 Kurdish:kurd1101 Modern; 2.0664 Open Map 1.6 0.2 79.2 1.4 17.6
32 Kurdish:kurd1156 Modern; 2.4298 Open Map 2.4 0 87.6 0.6 9.4
33 Kurdish:kurd1159 Modern; 2.4273 Open Map 2.6 0 74.8 0.4 22.2


The averages:



Pop Anatolian_Ottoman Dinka HF_C AASI TKM_IA
EZID 2.2 0.5 76.0 1.7 19.6
LOR 2.9 0.8 79.6 1.9 14.7
KRD 2.3 0.2 80.8 1.1 15.6
kurd 2.2 0.1 80.5 0.8 16.4


It looks like the omission of AASI_NW caused some of the non-Yazidi Kurds to experience a slight elevation in their Turkmenistan_IA and Medieval Turkish scores.

This run corroborates Helves' observation - Yazidis are about 15-20% more Turkmenistan_IA shifted in comparison to Kurds from Iraq and Turkey. One of them (EZ-10) is in the same "maxed out" strata as myself and Star (25-26%).

There also does appear to be some Medieval Turkish ancestry, which appears to fairly regularly hover between 2-3%. Yezidis resemble Lors when it comes to AASI-derived admixture (it's slightly more than what's observed in other Kurdish groups).

I've just calculated the non-Yezidi Kurdish stats for Turkmenistan_IA admixture - Averages around 16.7%, SD ~5.42. That puts StarDS9 in the top 4-5% of non-Yezidi Kurds. The total NW/W Iranian-related average (all pops above included exluding Hasanlu_IA and myself) is basically the same (16.8%, SD ~5.1).

To be honest, Iranian Azeris probably wouldn't change the Turkmenistan_IA pan-regional average. From memory, their distribution for steppe-related admixture (excluding East Eurasian admix) was in the same range as Kurmanji Kurds. The main difference lay in East Eurasian-related admixture, and a subsequent depression in prehistoric Iranian plateau admix (you can see that reflected in my own scores - I'm less Hajji Firuz_ChL than everyone else).

Helves
07-15-2019, 06:36 PM
I re-ran the model again, with the addition of my AASI_NW simulation. I realised that some of the Medieval Turkish scores were inflated (particularly for Lors). The majority of the fits improved.



Sample Details Fit Map Anatolia Ottoman--MA2195 Dinka IRN Hajji Firuz C Simulated AASI NW By DMXX TKM IA
1 Custom:AGUser_DMXX 2.7087 Open Map 5.8 0.8 64 2.8 26.6
2 Custom:AGUser_Mori_yek 2.0318 Open Map 3.6 0.6 77.4 1.8 16.6
3 Custom:AGUser_StarDS9 2.5547 Open Map 3.6 0 69.2 1.6 25.6
4 Ezid:EZI-001 3.1753 Open Map 1.8 0.2 73.4 1 23.6
5 Ezid:EZI-010 2.3619 Open Map 2.6 0.2 69.8 0.6 26.8
6 Ezid:EZI-012 2.9742 Open Map 2.6 1 72.8 1 22.6
7 Ezid:EZI-013 2.8617 Open Map 1.2 0 79.2 1.4 18.2
8 Ezid:EZI-020 2.6099 Open Map 2 0 70.2 3 24.8
9 Ezid:EZI-029 3.0945 Open Map 3 1.8 81.8 2.6 10.8
10 Ezid:EZI-060 2.6866 Open Map 2.4 0.2 83 2 12.4
11 Ezid:EZI-074 3.118 Open Map 2.2 0.4 77.8 2.2 17.4
12 IRN_Hasanlu_IA:Average 2.8876 Open Map 1.6 0 87 0.8 10.6
13 Iranian_Lor:LORII19 Modern; 2.326 Open Map 3.8 1.2 79.6 3 12.4
14 Iranian_Lor:LORII34 Modern; 2.9853 Open Map 3.2 1.2 79.8 2.2 13.6
15 Iranian_Lor:LORII36 Modern; 3.4889 Open Map 0 1 84.6 1.2 13.2
16 Iranian_Lor:LORII44 Modern; 2.9632 Open Map 3.4 1 78.2 2.8 14.6
17 Iranian_Lor:LORII48 Modern; 2.6995 Open Map 2.8 0 76.4 1.4 19.4
18 Iranian_Lor:LORII50 Modern; 2.3388 Open Map 3.6 0.6 78.8 3 14
19 Iranian_Lor:LORII51 Modern; 2.3501 Open Map 2.2 1.6 82.2 2 12
20 Iranian_Lor:LORII52 Modern; 2.821 Open Map 1.2 0.4 76.8 1.2 20.4
21 Iranian_Lor:LORII58 Modern; 3.1582 Open Map 3.8 0 78 0.4 17.8
22 Iranian_Lor:LORII9 Modern; 2.3132 Open Map 5.4 1 82 2 9.6
23 Kurdish:KRD-14 2.5446 Open Map 1.8 0 85 1.8 11.4
24 Kurdish:KRD-31 3.3255 Open Map 2.2 0 82.4 0.6 14.8
25 Kurdish:KRD-40 2.5066 Open Map 4.4 0 79.8 1.2 14.6
26 Kurdish:KRD-43 2.963 Open Map 1.8 0.4 82.2 1.2 14.4
27 Kurdish:KRD-45 2.9515 Open Map 1.4 0.6 72.6 0.2 25.2
28 Kurdish:KRD-49 3.3333 Open Map 1.6 0 75.8 1.2 21.4
29 Kurdish:KRD-5 2.799 Open Map 2.6 0 83.2 1.6 12.6
30 Kurdish:KRD-8 3.1965 Open Map 2.8 0.6 85 1 10.6
31 Kurdish:kurd1101 Modern; 2.0664 Open Map 1.6 0.2 79.2 1.4 17.6
32 Kurdish:kurd1156 Modern; 2.4298 Open Map 2.4 0 87.6 0.6 9.4
33 Kurdish:kurd1159 Modern; 2.4273 Open Map 2.6 0 74.8 0.4 22.2


The averages:



Pop Anatolian_Ottoman Dinka HF_C AASI TKM_IA
EZID 2.2 0.5 76.0 1.7 19.6
LOR 2.9 0.8 79.6 1.9 14.7
KRD 2.3 0.2 80.8 1.1 15.6
kurd 2.2 0.1 80.5 0.8 16.4


It looks like the omission of AASI_NW caused some of the non-Yazidi Kurds to experience a slight elevation in their Turkmenistan_IA and Medieval Turkish scores.

This run corroborates Helves' observation - Yazidis are about 15-20% more Turkmenistan_IA shifted in comparison to Kurds from Iraq and Turkey. One of them (EZ-10) is in the same "maxed out" strata as myself and Star (25-26%).

There also does appear to be some Medieval Turkish ancestry, which appears to fairly regularly hover between 2-3%. Yezidis resemble Lors when it comes to AASI-derived admixture (it's slightly more than what's observed in other Kurdish groups).

I've just calculated the non-Yezidi Kurdish stats for Turkmenistan_IA admixture - Averages around 16.7%, SD ~5.42. That puts StarDS9 in the top 4-5% of non-Yezidi Kurds. The total NW/W Iranian-related average (all pops above included exluding Hasanlu_IA and myself) is basically the same (16.8%, SD ~5.1).

To be honest, Iranian Azeris probably wouldn't change the Turkmenistan_IA pan-regional average. From memory, their distribution for steppe-related admixture (excluding East Eurasian admix) was in the same range as Kurmanji Kurds. The main difference lay in East Eurasian-related admixture, and a subsequent depression in prehistoric Iranian plateau admix (you can see that reflected in my own scores - I'm less Hajji Firuz_ChL than everyone else).
Wonder why our runs give so different results using the same pops? I use scaled coordinates and pen=0.

DMXX
07-15-2019, 06:42 PM
Wonder why our runs give so different results using the same pops? I use scaled coordinates and pen=0.

That's why. I don't use pen=0. The fits are "better" but the results are noisier, even if they appear more conveniently in line with expectations.

The member who created the nMonte script (Huij), a mathematician, doesn't recommend using it. Even if I hadn't done the background reading last year, I'd have deferred to the expert/tool creator's guidance nonetheless.

poi
07-15-2019, 08:13 PM
That's why. I don't use pen=0. The fits are "better" but the results are noisier, even if they appear more conveniently in line with expectations.

The member who created the nMonte script (Huij), a mathematician, doesn't recommend using it. Even if I hadn't done the background reading last year, I'd have deferred to the expert/tool creator's guidance nonetheless.

IIRC (need to dig through to find that post) Huij also recommended what we call the "unscaled" sheet since the eigenvals used to re-create the "scaled" sheet could be problematic. I think Pen=0.001 with unscaled was his recommendation. Not sure what he thinks of pen with the scaled data.

StarDS9
07-15-2019, 08:27 PM
I re-ran the model again, with the addition of my AASI_NW simulation. I realised that some of the Medieval Turkish scores were inflated (particularly for Lors). The majority of the fits improved.



Sample Details Fit Map Anatolia Ottoman--MA2195 Dinka IRN Hajji Firuz C Simulated AASI NW By DMXX TKM IA
1 Custom:AGUser_DMXX 2.7087 Open Map 5.8 0.8 64 2.8 26.6
2 Custom:AGUser_Mori_yek 2.0318 Open Map 3.6 0.6 77.4 1.8 16.6
3 Custom:AGUser_StarDS9 2.5547 Open Map 3.6 0 69.2 1.6 25.6
4 Ezid:EZI-001 3.1753 Open Map 1.8 0.2 73.4 1 23.6
5 Ezid:EZI-010 2.3619 Open Map 2.6 0.2 69.8 0.6 26.8
6 Ezid:EZI-012 2.9742 Open Map 2.6 1 72.8 1 22.6
7 Ezid:EZI-013 2.8617 Open Map 1.2 0 79.2 1.4 18.2
8 Ezid:EZI-020 2.6099 Open Map 2 0 70.2 3 24.8
9 Ezid:EZI-029 3.0945 Open Map 3 1.8 81.8 2.6 10.8
10 Ezid:EZI-060 2.6866 Open Map 2.4 0.2 83 2 12.4
11 Ezid:EZI-074 3.118 Open Map 2.2 0.4 77.8 2.2 17.4
12 IRN_Hasanlu_IA:Average 2.8876 Open Map 1.6 0 87 0.8 10.6
13 Iranian_Lor:LORII19 Modern; 2.326 Open Map 3.8 1.2 79.6 3 12.4
14 Iranian_Lor:LORII34 Modern; 2.9853 Open Map 3.2 1.2 79.8 2.2 13.6
15 Iranian_Lor:LORII36 Modern; 3.4889 Open Map 0 1 84.6 1.2 13.2
16 Iranian_Lor:LORII44 Modern; 2.9632 Open Map 3.4 1 78.2 2.8 14.6
17 Iranian_Lor:LORII48 Modern; 2.6995 Open Map 2.8 0 76.4 1.4 19.4
18 Iranian_Lor:LORII50 Modern; 2.3388 Open Map 3.6 0.6 78.8 3 14
19 Iranian_Lor:LORII51 Modern; 2.3501 Open Map 2.2 1.6 82.2 2 12
20 Iranian_Lor:LORII52 Modern; 2.821 Open Map 1.2 0.4 76.8 1.2 20.4
21 Iranian_Lor:LORII58 Modern; 3.1582 Open Map 3.8 0 78 0.4 17.8
22 Iranian_Lor:LORII9 Modern; 2.3132 Open Map 5.4 1 82 2 9.6
23 Kurdish:KRD-14 2.5446 Open Map 1.8 0 85 1.8 11.4
24 Kurdish:KRD-31 3.3255 Open Map 2.2 0 82.4 0.6 14.8
25 Kurdish:KRD-40 2.5066 Open Map 4.4 0 79.8 1.2 14.6
26 Kurdish:KRD-43 2.963 Open Map 1.8 0.4 82.2 1.2 14.4
27 Kurdish:KRD-45 2.9515 Open Map 1.4 0.6 72.6 0.2 25.2
28 Kurdish:KRD-49 3.3333 Open Map 1.6 0 75.8 1.2 21.4
29 Kurdish:KRD-5 2.799 Open Map 2.6 0 83.2 1.6 12.6
30 Kurdish:KRD-8 3.1965 Open Map 2.8 0.6 85 1 10.6
31 Kurdish:kurd1101 Modern; 2.0664 Open Map 1.6 0.2 79.2 1.4 17.6
32 Kurdish:kurd1156 Modern; 2.4298 Open Map 2.4 0 87.6 0.6 9.4
33 Kurdish:kurd1159 Modern; 2.4273 Open Map 2.6 0 74.8 0.4 22.2


The averages:



Pop Anatolian_Ottoman Dinka HF_C AASI TKM_IA
EZID 2.2 0.5 76.0 1.7 19.6
LOR 2.9 0.8 79.6 1.9 14.7
KRD 2.3 0.2 80.8 1.1 15.6
kurd 2.2 0.1 80.5 0.8 16.4


It looks like the omission of AASI_NW caused some of the non-Yazidi Kurds to experience a slight elevation in their Turkmenistan_IA and Medieval Turkish scores.

This run corroborates Helves' observation - Yazidis are about 15-20% more Turkmenistan_IA shifted in comparison to Kurds from Iraq and Turkey. One of them (EZ-10) is in the same "maxed out" strata as myself and Star (25-26%).

There also does appear to be some Medieval Turkish ancestry, which appears to fairly regularly hover between 2-3%. Yezidis resemble Lors when it comes to AASI-derived admixture (it's slightly more than what's observed in other Kurdish groups).

I've just calculated the non-Yezidi Kurdish stats for Turkmenistan_IA admixture - Averages around 16.7%, SD ~5.42. That puts StarDS9 in the top 4-5% of non-Yezidi Kurds. The total NW/W Iranian-related average (all pops above included exluding Hasanlu_IA and myself) is basically the same (16.8%, SD ~5.1).

To be honest, Iranian Azeris probably wouldn't change the Turkmenistan_IA pan-regional average. From memory, their distribution for steppe-related admixture (excluding East Eurasian admix) was in the same range as Kurmanji Kurds. The main difference lay in East Eurasian-related admixture, and a subsequent depression in prehistoric Iranian plateau admix (you can see that reflected in my own scores - I'm less Hajji Firuz_ChL than everyone else).

Ezid's I think have had less outside influence then other Kurmanjis, which is why they are more east shifted compared to other Kurmanjis. Ezidis would probably be similar to Soran and Southern Kurds, as on Gedmatch calculators their scores resembled them.

Out of all the Kurdish groups, I would guess the Goran and Feyli to be most TM_IA shifted as their languages are believed to be offshoot of Parthian. So far as I can tell all the Kurds are Kurmanjis on Globe 25.

I wonder if Poi can re-add the Azeri_Iran back on the Globe25?

poi
07-15-2019, 09:26 PM
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I wonder if Poi can re-add the Azeri_Iran back on the Globe25?

I will do that today. I have a commit history of all changes, including data changes, so I can just re-import the data as custom groups. So, in effect, Azeri_Iran becomes a non-Davidski group. We have numerous examples of those, for example of my own ethnic group, various Kerala groups, etc. That should do the trick. ETA will be likely in a few hours.

DMXX
07-16-2019, 08:13 PM
I've just calculated the results for the Iranian Azeris. The updated list is as follows:



Sample Details Fit Map Anatolia Ottoman--MA2195 Dinka IRN Hajji Firuz C Simulated AASI NW By DMXX TKM IA
1 Custom:AGUser_DMXX 2.7087 Open Map 5.8 0.8 64 2.8 26.6
2 Custom:AGUser_Mori_yek 2.0318 Open Map 3.6 0.6 77.4 1.8 16.6
3 Custom:AGUser_StarDS9 2.5547 Open Map 3.6 0 69.2 1.6 25.6
4 Ezid:EZI-001 3.1753 Open Map 1.8 0.2 73.4 1 23.6
5 Ezid:EZI-010 2.3619 Open Map 2.6 0.2 69.8 0.6 26.8
6 Ezid:EZI-012 2.9742 Open Map 2.6 1 72.8 1 22.6
7 Ezid:EZI-013 2.8617 Open Map 1.2 0 79.2 1.4 18.2
8 Ezid:EZI-020 2.6099 Open Map 2 0 70.2 3 24.8
9 Ezid:EZI-029 3.0945 Open Map 3 1.8 81.8 2.6 10.8
10 Ezid:EZI-060 2.6866 Open Map 2.4 0.2 83 2 12.4
11 Ezid:EZI-074 3.118 Open Map 2.2 0.4 77.8 2.2 17.4
12 IRN_Hasanlu_IA:Average 2.8876 Open Map 1.6 0 87 0.8 10.6
13 Iranian_Lor:LORII19 Modern; 2.326 Open Map 3.8 1.2 79.6 3 12.4
14 Iranian_Lor:LORII34 Modern; 2.9853 Open Map 3.2 1.2 79.8 2.2 13.6
15 Iranian_Lor:LORII36 Modern; 3.4889 Open Map 0 1 84.6 1.2 13.2
16 Iranian_Lor:LORII44 Modern; 2.9632 Open Map 3.4 1 78.2 2.8 14.6
17 Iranian_Lor:LORII48 Modern; 2.6995 Open Map 2.8 0 76.4 1.4 19.4
18 Iranian_Lor:LORII50 Modern; 2.3388 Open Map 3.6 0.6 78.8 3 14
19 Iranian_Lor:LORII51 Modern; 2.3501 Open Map 2.2 1.6 82.2 2 12
20 Iranian_Lor:LORII52 Modern; 2.821 Open Map 1.2 0.4 76.8 1.2 20.4
21 Iranian_Lor:LORII58 Modern; 3.1582 Open Map 3.8 0 78 0.4 17.8
22 Iranian_Lor:LORII9 Modern; 2.3132 Open Map 5.4 1 82 2 9.6
23 Kurdish:KRD-14 2.5446 Open Map 1.8 0 85 1.8 11.4
24 Kurdish:KRD-31 3.3255 Open Map 2.2 0 82.4 0.6 14.8
25 Kurdish:KRD-40 2.5066 Open Map 4.4 0 79.8 1.2 14.6
26 Kurdish:KRD-43 2.963 Open Map 1.8 0.4 82.2 1.2 14.4
27 Kurdish:KRD-45 2.9515 Open Map 1.4 0.6 72.6 0.2 25.2
28 Kurdish:KRD-49 3.3333 Open Map 1.6 0 75.8 1.2 21.4
29 Kurdish:KRD-5 2.799 Open Map 2.6 0 83.2 1.6 12.6
30 Kurdish:KRD-8 3.1965 Open Map 2.8 0.6 85 1 10.6
31 Kurdish:kurd1101 Modern; 2.0664 Open Map 1.6 0.2 79.2 1.4 17.6
32 Kurdish:kurd1156 Modern; 2.4298 Open Map 2.4 0 87.6 0.6 9.4
33 Kurdish:kurd1159 Modern; 2.4273 Open Map 2.6 0 74.8 0.4 22.2
1 Azeri_Iran:azerB38 Modern; 2.7471 Open Map 5.6 0.2 74.6 1.8 17.8
2 Azeri_Iran:azerB59 Modern; 3.3505 Open Map 8.8 0 74.8 2.2 14.2
3 Azeri_Iran:azerB61 Modern; 2.324 Open Map 6.2 0 75.8 1.4 16.6
4 Azeri_Iran:azerB64 Modern; 2.3044 Open Map 8.6 0 74 1.2 16.2
5 Azeri_Iran:azerB8 Modern; 3.1697 Open Map 6.4 0 78 2.2 13.4
6 Azeri_Iran:azerE1 Modern; 2.5158 Open Map 5.8 0.4 71.2 1 21.6
7 Azeri_Iran:azerE3 Modern; 2.5408 Open Map 4.2 0.2 78.8 1.2 15.6
8 Azeri_Iran:azerE6 Modern; 2.6718 Open Map 9 0 72.8 1.6 16.6
9 Azeri_Iran:azerE70 Modern; 2.929 Open Map 7 0.2 79.6 1.8 11.4
10 Azeri_Iran:azerE82 2.4317 Open Map 7.8 1 71 2 18.2
11 Azeri_Iran:azerE85 2.7717 Open Map 8 0.2 76.6 1.2 14
12 Azeri_Iran:azerE89 2.5121 Open Map 8 0 68.2 1.8 22
13 Azeri_Iran:azerE92 2.7473 Open Map 7.4 0.6 74.8 1.2 16
14 Azeri_Iran:azerF111 3.372 Open Map 6.6 0.4 63.6 1.2 28.2
15 Azeri_Iran:azerF4 2.4252 Open Map 6.8 0.6 73.2 1.8 17.6
16 Azeri_Iran:azerb72 Modern; 2.0873 Open Map 8 0.4 73.2 3.2 15.2


The group averages:



Group Sample Size Anatolian_Ottoman(MA2195) Dinka Hajji_Firuz_ChL AASI Turkmenistan_IA
Azeri (Iran) 16 7.1 0.3 73.78 1.7 17.2
Kurdish (non-Yazidi, ?Turkey-Iraq) 11 2.3 0.2 80.7 1 15.8
Kurdish (Yazidi, ?) 9 2.2 0.5 76 1.7 19.6
Lor (Iran) 10 2.9 0.8 79.6 1.9 14.7


Iranian Azeris are slightly more Turkmenistan_IA shifted than non-Yazidi Kurds and Lors here, though they're behind Yazidis.

StarDS9
07-16-2019, 10:12 PM
I believe Lors absorbed the Elamite population post Median era, which might explain their slight lower steppe. Elamites were around until the end of Parthian era.

DMXX
07-16-2019, 10:21 PM
I believe Lors absorbed the Elamite population post Median era, which might explain their slight lower steppe. Elamites were around until the end of Parthian era.

Yeah, I suspect a similar trend happened in most of the studied groups here, including the Yazidis - Everyone picked up some extra post-Median admixture from various places (assuming, of course, Hasanlu_IA was a fairly typical Mede, which isn't a guarantee). A lot of Kurds from Turkey (as we know) have some historical Anatolio-Armenian ancestry, though I would suspect that their Classical era ancestors (?Courdene) already had some to begin with. Iranian Azeris, of course, have East Eurasian admix (though their TRK_IA score wasn't depressed, leading me to suspect some extra MLBA steppe piggy-backed off of the multiple Turkish waves). Just my opinion. We'd need plenty of data to work through the possibilities.

One limitation of Helves' model is that Hajji Firuz ChL serves as a catch-all for West Asian admixture. I'm running a model (averages plus us as individuals) for all Iranian plateau-related populations to address that. If the fits are good, I can extend that to an individual run tomorrow.

One very cool thing - Check out the individual scores for KRD-40 (the most MA2195-shifted Kurd) and azerE3 (the least MA2195-shifted Iranian Azeri). How about that? They look like siblings here.

[Edit]: General comment - The use of MA2195 is not an attempt to accurately estimate the Medieval Turkish contribution to these groups. The heterogeneity of the earliest Turks in the region isn't known. Given the tendency for steppe groups to accumulate substantial admixture as they traverse through a given territory, I'd anticipate the MA2195 scores here represent the lowest possible bound for Turkish admixture in groups like Iranian Azeris.

StarDS9
07-16-2019, 10:59 PM
Yeah, I suspect a similar trend happened in most of the studied groups here, including the Yazidis - Everyone picked up some extra post-Median admixture from various places (assuming, of course, Hasanlu_IA was a fairly typical Mede, which isn't a guarantee). A lot of Kurds from Turkey (as we know) have some historical Anatolio-Armenian ancestry, though I would suspect that their Classical era ancestors (?Courdene) already had some to begin with. Iranian Azeris, of course, have East Eurasian admix (though their TRK_IA score wasn't depressed, leading me to suspect some extra MLBA steppe piggy-backed off of the multiple Turkish waves). Just my opinion. We'd need plenty of data to work through the possibilities.

One limitation of Helves' model is that Hajji Firuz ChL serves as a catch-all for West Asian admixture. I'm running a model (averages plus us as individuals) for all Iranian plateau-related populations to address that. If the fits are good, I can extend that to an individual run tomorrow.

One very cool thing - Check out the individual scores for KRD-40 (the most MA2195-shifted Kurd) and azerE3 (the least MA2195-shifted Iranian Azeri). How about that? They look like siblings here.

[Edit]: General comment - The use of MA2195 is not an attempt to accurately estimate the Medieval Turkish contribution to these groups. The heterogeneity of the earliest Turks in the region isn't known. Given the tendency for steppe groups to accumulate substantial admixture as they traverse through a given territory, I'd anticipate the MA2195 scores here represent the lowest possible bound for Turkish admixture in groups like Iranian Azeris.

The current Kurdish regions in Eastern Turkey had high amounts of Armenian and Assyrian population. We know many of them were driven out and many sadly were victims of Genocide. But I believe large amount of these people got absorbed into Kurdish population(which some Kurds deny).

I am still not sure about the Corduene/Gordeyene, it's not known if they even spoke a langauge similar to Kurmanji. Do to Corduene sounding like the term Kurd, many people want to connect the two. But I think Kurd derives from the Middle-Persian word Kewrt which was used for Nomads which later got popularised by Arabs and post-islamic era.

I believe Kurmanjis likely originated further south near where current Sorani speakers live and spread north by mass Kurdification. Results of Yezidis and Kurmanjis like Mori Yeki points to early Kurmanjis were less Anatolian like and more West Iran like.

StarDS9
07-16-2019, 11:33 PM
Also wish mention that apart from Kurmanjis and Zaza's there are also small pockets of Laki speakers in Turkey as well, like Zaza's they refer to themselves as Kirmanjki .

kyp.snow
07-02-2020, 04:04 PM
Can someone post the coordinates for the model? Would like to compare my Iranian Azerbaijani father with the other samples.

GenoPlot
07-02-2020, 04:14 PM
Can someone post the coordinates for the model? Would like to compare my Iranian Azerbaijani father with the other samples.

All the groups used in the model are available on GenoPlot (http://genoplot.com)

kyp.snow
07-16-2020, 01:07 PM
I've just calculated the results for the Iranian Azeris. The updated list is as follows:



Sample Details Fit Map Anatolia Ottoman--MA2195 Dinka IRN Hajji Firuz C Simulated AASI NW By DMXX TKM IA
1 Custom:AGUser_DMXX 2.7087 Open Map 5.8 0.8 64 2.8 26.6
2 Custom:AGUser_Mori_yek 2.0318 Open Map 3.6 0.6 77.4 1.8 16.6
3 Custom:AGUser_StarDS9 2.5547 Open Map 3.6 0 69.2 1.6 25.6
4 Ezid:EZI-001 3.1753 Open Map 1.8 0.2 73.4 1 23.6
5 Ezid:EZI-010 2.3619 Open Map 2.6 0.2 69.8 0.6 26.8
6 Ezid:EZI-012 2.9742 Open Map 2.6 1 72.8 1 22.6
7 Ezid:EZI-013 2.8617 Open Map 1.2 0 79.2 1.4 18.2
8 Ezid:EZI-020 2.6099 Open Map 2 0 70.2 3 24.8
9 Ezid:EZI-029 3.0945 Open Map 3 1.8 81.8 2.6 10.8
10 Ezid:EZI-060 2.6866 Open Map 2.4 0.2 83 2 12.4
11 Ezid:EZI-074 3.118 Open Map 2.2 0.4 77.8 2.2 17.4
12 IRN_Hasanlu_IA:Average 2.8876 Open Map 1.6 0 87 0.8 10.6
13 Iranian_Lor:LORII19 Modern; 2.326 Open Map 3.8 1.2 79.6 3 12.4
14 Iranian_Lor:LORII34 Modern; 2.9853 Open Map 3.2 1.2 79.8 2.2 13.6
15 Iranian_Lor:LORII36 Modern; 3.4889 Open Map 0 1 84.6 1.2 13.2
16 Iranian_Lor:LORII44 Modern; 2.9632 Open Map 3.4 1 78.2 2.8 14.6
17 Iranian_Lor:LORII48 Modern; 2.6995 Open Map 2.8 0 76.4 1.4 19.4
18 Iranian_Lor:LORII50 Modern; 2.3388 Open Map 3.6 0.6 78.8 3 14
19 Iranian_Lor:LORII51 Modern; 2.3501 Open Map 2.2 1.6 82.2 2 12
20 Iranian_Lor:LORII52 Modern; 2.821 Open Map 1.2 0.4 76.8 1.2 20.4
21 Iranian_Lor:LORII58 Modern; 3.1582 Open Map 3.8 0 78 0.4 17.8
22 Iranian_Lor:LORII9 Modern; 2.3132 Open Map 5.4 1 82 2 9.6
23 Kurdish:KRD-14 2.5446 Open Map 1.8 0 85 1.8 11.4
24 Kurdish:KRD-31 3.3255 Open Map 2.2 0 82.4 0.6 14.8
25 Kurdish:KRD-40 2.5066 Open Map 4.4 0 79.8 1.2 14.6
26 Kurdish:KRD-43 2.963 Open Map 1.8 0.4 82.2 1.2 14.4
27 Kurdish:KRD-45 2.9515 Open Map 1.4 0.6 72.6 0.2 25.2
28 Kurdish:KRD-49 3.3333 Open Map 1.6 0 75.8 1.2 21.4
29 Kurdish:KRD-5 2.799 Open Map 2.6 0 83.2 1.6 12.6
30 Kurdish:KRD-8 3.1965 Open Map 2.8 0.6 85 1 10.6
31 Kurdish:kurd1101 Modern; 2.0664 Open Map 1.6 0.2 79.2 1.4 17.6
32 Kurdish:kurd1156 Modern; 2.4298 Open Map 2.4 0 87.6 0.6 9.4
33 Kurdish:kurd1159 Modern; 2.4273 Open Map 2.6 0 74.8 0.4 22.2
1 Azeri_Iran:azerB38 Modern; 2.7471 Open Map 5.6 0.2 74.6 1.8 17.8
2 Azeri_Iran:azerB59 Modern; 3.3505 Open Map 8.8 0 74.8 2.2 14.2
3 Azeri_Iran:azerB61 Modern; 2.324 Open Map 6.2 0 75.8 1.4 16.6
4 Azeri_Iran:azerB64 Modern; 2.3044 Open Map 8.6 0 74 1.2 16.2
5 Azeri_Iran:azerB8 Modern; 3.1697 Open Map 6.4 0 78 2.2 13.4
6 Azeri_Iran:azerE1 Modern; 2.5158 Open Map 5.8 0.4 71.2 1 21.6
7 Azeri_Iran:azerE3 Modern; 2.5408 Open Map 4.2 0.2 78.8 1.2 15.6
8 Azeri_Iran:azerE6 Modern; 2.6718 Open Map 9 0 72.8 1.6 16.6
9 Azeri_Iran:azerE70 Modern; 2.929 Open Map 7 0.2 79.6 1.8 11.4
10 Azeri_Iran:azerE82 2.4317 Open Map 7.8 1 71 2 18.2
11 Azeri_Iran:azerE85 2.7717 Open Map 8 0.2 76.6 1.2 14
12 Azeri_Iran:azerE89 2.5121 Open Map 8 0 68.2 1.8 22
13 Azeri_Iran:azerE92 2.7473 Open Map 7.4 0.6 74.8 1.2 16
14 Azeri_Iran:azerF111 3.372 Open Map 6.6 0.4 63.6 1.2 28.2
15 Azeri_Iran:azerF4 2.4252 Open Map 6.8 0.6 73.2 1.8 17.6
16 Azeri_Iran:azerb72 Modern; 2.0873 Open Map 8 0.4 73.2 3.2 15.2


The group averages:



Group Sample Size Anatolian_Ottoman(MA2195) Dinka Hajji_Firuz_ChL AASI Turkmenistan_IA
Azeri (Iran) 16 7.1 0.3 73.78 1.7 17.2
Kurdish (non-Yazidi, ?Turkey-Iraq) 11 2.3 0.2 80.7 1 15.8
Kurdish (Yazidi, ?) 9 2.2 0.5 76 1.7 19.6
Lor (Iran) 10 2.9 0.8 79.6 1.9 14.7


Iranian Azeris are slightly more Turkmenistan_IA shifted than non-Yazidi Kurds and Lors here, though they're behind Yazidis.

I now compared it with my father:

Target: Father
Distance: 2.6770% / 0.02677000
62.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
22.8 TKM_IA
12.8 TUR_Ottoman
2.4 S_AASI_Sim

StarDS9
07-16-2020, 04:21 PM
My father also seems to have high Steppe and seems high in Central Asian. When I ask about his ancestry he says his Grandmother was Circassian but my mother says she is Turkish or Kurdish/Turkish mixed. Mother says my Paternal grandmohter use to say her mother was Turkish.

Asking my parents about their ancestry is actual a headache as DNA says something different. When I compare father with Zorastrains and Turkish Aydin, he comes out 75% 25%. I suspect my paternal great grandmother was Turkish with some Circcasian or Kurdish ancestry.

This is how comes out

Target: StarDS9_Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.9880% / 0.01987960
76.4 Iranian_Zoroastrian
23.6 Turkish_Aydin
0.0 Circassian
0.0 Ezid
0.0 Kurdish

Target: StarDS9_Dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1317% / 0.02131700
38.2 TKM_IA
36.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
19.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
3.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
3.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.6 Dinka

kyp.snow
07-16-2020, 04:33 PM
My father also seems to have high Steppe and seems high in Central Asian. When I ask about his ancestry he says his Grandmother was Circassian but my mother says she is Turkish or Kurdish/Turkish mixed. Mother says my Paternal grandmohter use to say her mother was Turkish.

Asking my parents about their ancestry is actual a headache as DNA says something different. When I compare father with Zorastrains and Turkish Aydin, he comes out 75% 25%. I suspect my paternal great grandmother was Turkish with some Circcasian or Kurdish ancestry.

This is how comes out

Target: StarDS9_Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.9880% / 0.01987960
76.4 Iranian_Zoroastrian
23.6 Turkish_Aydin
0.0 Circassian
0.0 Ezid
0.0 Kurdish

Target: StarDS9_Dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1317% / 0.02131700
38.2 TKM_IA
36.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
19.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
3.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
3.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.6 Dinka

From Turkey or just "turkish". All Azeris usually got called "turk" back in the day (and still) in Iran. Calling them "Azeris/Azerbaijanis" is a new thing.

As you can see: My Azeri father (all known ancestry from Iran):

Target: FatherKyp_scaled
Distance: 2.3679% / 0.02367858
53.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
46.8 Turkish_Aydin

StarDS9
07-16-2020, 04:43 PM
From Turkey or just "turkish". All Azeris usually got called "turk" back in the day (and still) in Iran. Calling them "Azeris/Azerbaijanis" is a new thing.

As you can see: My Azeri father (all known ancestry from Iran):

Target: FatherKyp_scaled
Distance: 2.3679% / 0.02367858
53.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
46.8 Turkish_Aydin

There are no Azeris in my region in Marash/Malatya. Azeri's in Turkey are mostly in the East of Turkey.

kyp.snow
07-16-2020, 05:01 PM
There are no Azeris in my region in Marash/Malatya. Azeri's in Turkey are mostly in the East of Turkey.

Oh sorry I though you're from Iran. Yes okay makes sense now! It looks like you definetly have turkish ancestors.

StarDS9
07-20-2020, 12:02 PM
I was looking at the sample that was provided by a fellow AG user that was from Ilam and likely a Feyli. What I have noticed is that it has unusually high amounts of Levant ancestry. Does this is indicate that the Elamite were a rich in Levant as well? Or something more recent?

Target: Iranian_Fars
Distance: 1.2655% / 0.01265550
51.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
29.8 TKM_IA
9.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
7.4 Levant_ISR_MLBA
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: Sample from Ilam
Distance: 2.3226% / 0.02322636
31.4 Levant_ISR_MLBA
26.2 TKM_IA
26.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
15.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.0 Dinka

Target: Iranian_Lor
Distance: 1.4424% / 0.01442398
63.2 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
22.0 TKM_IA
7.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
6.4 Levant_ISR_MLBA
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.2 Dinka

DMXX
07-22-2020, 03:10 PM
Feylis look near-identical to Lurs in qpAdm, so I wonder whether this individual has some extra recent ancestry that they aren't aware of, or, this may be evidence of some cryptic admix from the Arabian peninsula (or another source).

There was an Iranian individual on another forum (half Lur, half Persian+Gilaki) who was exceptionally SW Asian-shifted for what was the "Iranian norm" back in the early 10's (approached Assyrian levels). They had an immediate explanation for the finding (according to them, several Lur tribes had longstanding seasonal migration towards the Zagros lowlands, where Arabian tribes had also existed for centuries).

That being said, it could very well be some sort of persistent Neo-Elamite ancestry. The current guesses are that ChL period Mesopotamians and Elamites were quite like Hajji Firuz (i.e. heavily Anatolian-Levant_N-derived).

Would be pretty cool if small pockets of "hyper-Neo-Elamite" Iranians existed in the SW of the country.

StarDS9
07-22-2020, 06:36 PM
Feylis look near-identical to Lurs in qpAdm, so I wonder whether this individual has some extra recent ancestry that they aren't aware of, or, this may be evidence of some cryptic admix from the Arabian peninsula (or another source).

There was an Iranian individual on another forum (half Lur, half Persian+Gilaki) who was exceptionally SW Asian-shifted for what was the "Iranian norm" back in the early 10's (approached Assyrian levels). They had an immediate explanation for the finding (according to them, several Lur tribes had longstanding seasonal migration towards the Zagros lowlands, where Arabian tribes had also existed for centuries).

That being said, it could very well be some sort of persistent Neo-Elamite ancestry. The current guesses are that ChL period Mesopotamians and Elamites were quite like Hajji Firuz (i.e. heavily Anatolian-Levant_N-derived).

Would be pretty cool if small pockets of "hyper-Neo-Elamite" Iranians existed in the SW of the country.


Yeah it might be some recent Arabian mixture. Ilam is not that far from Khuzestan which has a Arab population. The other explanation could be that Feyli individual interacted with Faylis from Iraq who might have Arabian mixture.

I think the Elamites probably had around 10-15% as Levant ancestry. Slightly more than modern South West Iranians.

I hope soon we can get some Ancient Elamites samples in the near future.

Helves
10-06-2020, 02:00 PM
I was looking at the sample that was provided by a fellow AG user that was from Ilam and likely a Feyli. What I have noticed is that it has unusually high amounts of Levant ancestry. Does this is indicate that the Elamite were a rich in Levant as well? Or something more recent?

Target: Iranian_Fars
Distance: 1.2655% / 0.01265550
51.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
29.8 TKM_IA
9.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
7.4 Levant_ISR_MLBA
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: Sample from Ilam
Distance: 2.3226% / 0.02322636
31.4 Levant_ISR_MLBA
26.2 TKM_IA
26.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
15.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.0 Dinka

Target: Iranian_Lor
Distance: 1.4424% / 0.01442398
63.2 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
22.0 TKM_IA
7.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
6.4 Levant_ISR_MLBA
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.2 Dinka

Interesting results, has the Ilam guys coordinates been posted here on Anthrogenica?

StarDS9
10-06-2020, 02:25 PM
Interesting results, has the Ilam guys coordinates been posted here on Anthrogenica?

I do not remember which thread it was posted on but here is the coordinates.

Kurd_Ilam_Scaled,0.078538,0.102568,-0.064865,-0.026163,-0.042777,-0.001116,-0.0047,-0.005077,-0.011249,-0.008747,-0.001949,0.002098,0.003122,0.006468,0.005293,0.018 032,-0.005737,0.006588,0.003645,-0.01038,0.000374,-0.004081,0.001849,-0.005181,0.004191

Kurd_Ilam,0.0069,0.0101,-0.0172,-0.0081,-0.0139,-0.0004,-0.002,-0.0022,-0.0055,-0.0048,-0.0012,0.0014,0.0021,0.0047,0.0039,0.0136,-0.0044,0.0052,0.0029,-0.0083,0.0003,-0.0033,0.0015,-0.0043,0.0035