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WSO
08-06-2019, 10:38 AM
Hi all
In the site below i see that there is anceint bones with haplogroup A in turkmenstan in asia
the bones number there is 19 and 6 of them are A haplogroup
the location in gonur in turkmenstan the age is in 2500 bc so its old and its show that this haplogroup maybe its not originate in africa

The site
https://med-k-rouissi.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=362af77c6ad145c8a4a5026a9177b945&extent=-2307057.137%2C549015.0046%2C16419403.2966%2C108025 83.7269%2C102100

aaronbee2010
08-06-2019, 11:31 AM
Hi all
In the site below i see that there is anceint bones with haplogroup A in turkmenstan in asia
the bones number there is 19 and 6 of them are A haplogroup
the location in gonur in turkmenstan the age is in 2500 bc so its old and its show that this haplogroup maybe its not originate in africa

The site
https://med-k-rouissi.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=362af77c6ad145c8a4a5026a9177b945&extent=-2307057.137%2C549015.0046%2C16419403.2966%2C108025 83.7269%2C102100

Could this just be low coverage?

Dibran
08-06-2019, 12:22 PM
Hi all
In the site below i see that there is anceint bones with haplogroup A in turkmenstan in asia
the bones number there is 19 and 6 of them are A haplogroup
the location in gonur in turkmenstan the age is in 2500 bc so its old and its show that this haplogroup maybe its not originate in africa

The site
https://med-k-rouissi.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=362af77c6ad145c8a4a5026a9177b945&extent=-2307057.137%2C549015.0046%2C16419403.2966%2C108025 83.7269%2C102100

Its highest concentration is in Africa. One man from 2500BC in Asia doesn't automatically mean mankind is descended from Asia when there are far older remains discovered with far younger YDNA all over Europe and Asia.

WSO
08-06-2019, 12:55 PM
Could this just be low coverage?

I don't know what you mean by low coverage but there is 6 men in haplogroup a there
And there is no snp test just the haplogroup

WSO
08-06-2019, 01:00 PM
Its highest concentration is in Africa. One man from 2500BC in Asia doesn't automatically mean mankind is descended from Asia when there are far older remains discovered with far younger YDNA all over Europe and Asia.

Not just one there 6 men there
and there is A hg in asia and africa and Europe you can't say its high concentration in africa

Dibran
08-06-2019, 06:57 PM
Not just one there 6 men there
and there is A hg in asia and africa and Europe you can't say its high concentration in africa

You're not understanding. All modern Y supposedly descends very far back in ancient unrecorded past to A. The A samples you are referencing are far younger than some samples found of haplogroups that all came from A. You can't have something ancient come from something younger. Those are just samples of people with A who's ancestors also migrated out of Africa to Asia.

Megalophias
08-06-2019, 10:48 PM
Hi all
In the site below i see that there is anceint bones with haplogroup A in turkmenstan in asia
the bones number there is 19 and 6 of them are A haplogroup

These are samples assigned to haplogroup A in the Naramsimhan preprint. See the Central and South Asian DNA paper (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13904-Central-and-South-Asian-DNA-Paper/page23) thread. They are very, very poor coverage samples which cannot be assigned to any haplogroup, so the automated caller defaulted to A (which in principle contains all other haplogroups). There is no reason to believe they are anything exotic in reality.

WSO
08-17-2019, 05:21 AM
These are samples assigned to haplogroup A in the Naramsimhan preprint. See the Central and South Asian DNA paper (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13904-Central-and-South-Asian-DNA-Paper/page23) thread. They are very, very poor coverage samples which cannot be assigned to any haplogroup, so the automated caller defaulted to A (which in principle contains all other haplogroups). There is no reason to believe they are anything exotic in reality.

I don't think so because they are mtdna for these samples, if they can get the mtdna haplogroup then they can get the ydna
See the picture
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WSO
08-17-2019, 05:36 AM
You're not understanding. All modern Y supposedly descends very far back in ancient unrecorded past to A. The A samples you are referencing are far younger than some samples found of haplogroups that all came from A. You can't have something ancient come from something younger. Those are just samples of people with A who's ancestors also migrated out of Africa to Asia.

Yes you are right, all haplogrouos came from A.
i just correct to you that not just 1 sample in this area
But you can't be sure A hg oregenated in africa or sonwhere else, even keylosov said its maybe africa or asia

Megalophias
08-17-2019, 03:00 PM
I don't think so because they are mtdna for these samples, if they can get the mtdna haplogroup then they can get the ydna
Not so. There are typically hundreds of times more copies of the mitochondrial chromosome in a cell than of the Y chromosome, so it is frequently possible to find the mt haplogroup but not the Y haplogroup in ancient DNA (for instance, the Abusir mummy paper provided 90 mt hgs and only 3 Y hgs).

The source is not a published paper - not that any paper is infallible - but a preprint, a draft put out to be reviewed and checked for errors. Narasimhan in fact released the Y chromosome calls on dropbox for people to check the haplogroup assignments. If you go to the thread I linked you will see it is in the second post. Here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l2fevb2yjb...alls.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/l2fevb2yjbyg5wj/Ycalls.xlsx?dl=0)
Easiest to click the download button at top right to get it as a spreadsheet, or you can just look at it online.

Look at positive and negative mutations for the samples assigned to A and see what they really allow and rule out.