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Crow
08-08-2019, 07:06 PM
I got R0 as mtdna on 23andme. I see it's pretty much non existent in Italy. Is it possible they made a mistake? Or maybe they even didn't test properly. I don't know. I see people with H get even a subclade. I just got R0. It's disappointing. It would be cool if I really were R0, but I'm afraid it's not the case, and the test failed.

Ruderico
08-08-2019, 07:10 PM
Try using this and see what it tells you
https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

Crow
08-08-2019, 07:14 PM
Try using this and see what it tells you
https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

Found 4301 markers at 2413 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA.

1) R0a'b

Defining Markers for haplogroup R0a'b:
HVR2: (58C) 64T 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2442C 2706G 4769G 7028T 8860G 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16362C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup R0a'b (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ (58C) 64T 2442C 16362C ⇨ R0a'b ⇨ 65I 191D 299I 459D 1719A 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 10101C 14482T 15613G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 64T 263G 1438G 2706G 7028T 8860G 16362C
Mismatches(0): (58T)
Extras(18): 65I 191D 299I 459D 1719A 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 10101C 14482T 15613G
No-Calls(1): 2442C
Untested(4): 750 4769 14766 15326

2) R0b

Defining Markers for haplogroup R0b:
HVR2: (58C) 64T 93G 152C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 1719A 2442C 2706G 4769G 4924A 5205C 7028T 8772C 8860G 9055A 10101C 10775A 11764G 14766T 15326G 15613G 15628G
HVR1: 16301T 16362C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup R0b (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ (58C) 64T 2442C 16362C ⇨ R0a'b ⇨ 93G 152C 1719A 4924A 5205C 8772C 9055A 10101C 10775A 11764G 15613G 15628G 16301T ⇨ R0b ⇨ 65I 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(10): 64T 263G 1438G 1719A 2706G 7028T 8860G 10101C 15613G 16362C
Mismatches(3): (58T) 93A 4924G 16301C
Extras(15): 65I 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T
No-Calls(1): 2442C
Untested(11): 152 750 4769 5205 8772 9055 10775 11764 14766 15326 15628

3) HV0f

Defining Markers for haplogroup HV0f:
HVR2: 195C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8706G 8860G 15326G
HVR1: 16298C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup HV0f (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 72C 16298C ⇨ HV0 ⇨ 195C ⇨ HV0(T195C) ⇨ 72T 8706G ⇨ HV0f ⇨ 64T 65I 191D 299I 459D 1719A 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 10101C 14482T 15613G 16362C

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(6): 72T 263G 1438G 2706G 7028T 8860G
Extras(20): 64T 65I 191D 299I 459D 1719A 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 10101C 14482T 15613G 16362C
Untested(6): 195 750 4769 8706 15326 16298




Is this accurate? Does R0 make really sense or the raw data isn't enough? (sorry for the noob questions)

Crow
08-08-2019, 07:24 PM
Ok, I just realised it says imperfect match for all three the results. So this means no mtdna makes sense for me? lol

JoeyP37
08-08-2019, 11:27 PM
I get imperfect match for my subclade because I have a flip (a back-mutation of one of the markers) at 15452, where there is supposed to A I have a T. But as a counterweight to that, the other 18 J1c2b defining mutations I have in full, so that is my assigned clade. Flips aren't rare, either, most people will have one. I would say you have R0a'b as your clade, but there is also the possibility that you are HV0f, as there are no mismatches there. In a sample of 99 Italians, 5.5% had mtdna HV0, as per Wikipedia. If you are uncertain, I would advise purchasing a mtDNA interpretation panel from YFull; it's only 25 dollars.

Crow
01-12-2021, 01:39 AM
I get imperfect match for my subclade because I have a flip (a back-mutation of one of the markers) at 15452, where there is supposed to A I have a T. But as a counterweight to that, the other 18 J1c2b defining mutations I have in full, so that is my assigned clade. Flips aren't rare, either, most people will have one. I would say you have R0a'b as your clade, but there is also the possibility that you are HV0f, as there are no mismatches there. In a sample of 99 Italians, 5.5% had mtdna HV0, as per Wikipedia. If you are uncertain, I would advise purchasing a mtDNA interpretation panel from YFull; it's only 25 dollars.

I would like to bump this thread for further clarification.
For example, why would you consider HV0 less likely despite it having no mismatches and having 6 matches (the alternative only has one more, and appears to have one mismatch listed, despite the fact it states "0" mismatches and I don't know why).

ThaYamamoto
01-12-2021, 02:22 PM
No one gets a perfect match via jameslick using commercial kits. Its highly likely you are R0. If you are absolutely certain that you're not, do the FTDNA mtest or WGS and you will know for sure ;)

Crow
01-12-2021, 04:09 PM
No one gets a perfect match via jameslick using commercial kits. Its highly likely you are R0b. If you are absolutely certain that you're not, do the FTDNA mtest or WGS and you will know for sure ;)

Nono, I'm not certain at all. I just saw that R0 is pretty much 0% in northern Italy, where my mtdna comes from, so it seemed like a logical conclusion but I realise now that it could still be possible.

ThaYamamoto
01-12-2021, 05:08 PM
Nono, I'm not certain at all. I just saw that R0 is pretty much 0% in northern Italy, where my mtdna comes from, so it seemed like a logical conclusion but I realise now that it could still be possible.

Yeah haplogroups can be really interesting like that, sometimes they can be very unexpected. I did a quick search and found a bunch of Italians on yfull's mtree beloning to R0 clades but I don't know whether they are Northern/Central/Southern. The Tuscany paper found quite a few R0 Italians also.