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Dalluin
08-09-2019, 08:12 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019 :)


Tracking down still processing !!!

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 03:15 PM
Still waiting now first for A431, Z2573 et Z2560 (with subclade DF83) le 10/08/2019

Webb
08-10-2019, 03:31 PM
Still waiting now first for A431, Z2573 et Z2560 (with subclade DF83) le 10/08/2019

How many snps below DF27 do they test on that panel? It seems like a very long wait period for Yseq, but I suppose if they test close to 100, then it would take awhile.

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 05:19 PM
Quite a lot for the R1b_DF27* :P, I have'nt count all them : https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=10749

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 05:22 PM
But not your subclade FG23196, or with a another name ?

Webb
08-10-2019, 05:34 PM
But not your subclade FG23196, or with a another name ?

I think not because I’m Z196+. I do have a Spanish block mate at FGC23196 who has a very strong paper trail to a Vincent de Valois en Crepy. He was a knight who fought for King Jaime of Spain during the reconquest. The two main branches below DF27 are Z196 and ZZ12. ZZ12 is larger than Z196.

REWM
08-10-2019, 05:39 PM
Hopefully your Z2573. B)

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 05:50 PM
Hopefully your Z2573. B)

If I'm a Z2573+, I would not have long to wait !!

REWM
08-10-2019, 06:03 PM
If I'm a Z2573+, I would not have long to wait !!

Then you will need to be tested for downstream SNPs. So it could take some time.

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 06:03 PM
I think not because I’m Z196+. I do have a Spanish block mate at FGC23196 who has a very strong paper trail to a Vincent de Valois en Crepy. He was a knight who fought for King Jaime of Spain during the reconquest. The two main branches below DF27 are Z196 and ZZ12. ZZ12 is larger than Z196.

In YSEQ s' Rb1-DF27 Panel, Z196 is clearly identified but nowhere ZZ12 ?? This ZZ12 branch is mentioned in many Webplaces but not here ? These only two branch fot DF27 are so relevant or not ? I don't see also ZZ39 in this Rb1-DF27 Panel.

A rare subclade like yours means a historical subclade !! I find that exciting !! Is the genealogic link to Vincent de Valois en Crepy, full connected or not ?

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 06:10 PM
If I'm a Z2573+, I would not have long to wait !!

I Think July was holiday's time for YSEQ !! I hope that the next steps will be quicker !!

REWM
08-10-2019, 06:11 PM
In YSEQ s' Rb1-DF27 Panel, Z196 is clearly identified but nowhere ZZ12 ?? This ZZ12 branch is mentioned in many Webplaces but not here ? These only two branch fot DF27 are so relevant or not ? I don't see also ZZ39 in this Rb1-DF27 Panel.

A rare subclade like yours means a historical subclade !! I find that exciting !! Is the genealogic link to Vincent de Valois en Crepy, full connected or not ?

ZZ12 is not not able to be test by Sanger sequencing. It's a ambiguous mutation, so you will not find it tested for at YSEQ.
http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=640&star=false

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 06:19 PM
ZZ12 is not not able to be test by Sanger sequencing. It's a ambiguous mutation, so you will not find it tested for at YSEQ.
http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=640&star=false

Ok for ZZ12 !! Same thing for ZZ39 ?

REWM
08-10-2019, 06:27 PM
Yes it is.
ZZ39 is in the red palindromic region. There are 4 possible positions for this mutation, ZZ39_1, ZZ39_2, ZZ39_3 or ZZ39_4, but only one has the actual mutation.
In BigY VCF files it will show up as a rejected ZZ39_1 and sometimes a ZZ39_3 mutation.

http://www.ytree.net/BlockInfo.php?blockID=967

REWM
08-10-2019, 06:32 PM
ZZ = Alex Williamson. Mutations in palindromic regions. Each ZZ prefix represents two possible SNP locations.

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 06:54 PM
Yes it is.
ZZ39 is in the red palindromic region. There are 4 possible positions for this mutation, ZZ39_1, ZZ39_2, ZZ39_3 or ZZ39_4, but only one has the actual mutation.
In BigY VCF files it will show up as a rejected ZZ39_1 and sometimes a ZZ39_3 mutation.

http://www.ytree.net/BlockInfo.php?blockID=967

So If with YSEQ, I'm R1b_DF27*, I could be ZZ39 + but i need a complementary test outside YSEQ to prove it, right ? Or ZZ39 mutation is not a subclade of DF27 but one thing more ?

REWM
08-10-2019, 07:10 PM
So If with YSEQ, I'm R1b_DF27*, I could be ZZ39 + but i need a complentary test outside YSEQ to prove it, right ? Or ZZ39 mutation is not a subclade of DF27 but one thing more ?

ZZ39 is a subclade of DF27. You could test Z229 at YSEQ which is downstream of ZZ39. For ZZ mutations you would need a NGS test. I personally don't think much of the ZZ mutations.
This is what I get for ZZ12.
32326

Dalluin
08-10-2019, 08:36 PM
Still waiting now first for A431, Z2573 et Z2560 (with subclade DF83) le 10/08/2019

Patience is the mother of all virtues so i'm serenely waiting :)

Webb
08-11-2019, 01:26 PM
In YSEQ s' Rb1-DF27 Panel, Z196 is clearly identified but nowhere ZZ12 ?? This ZZ12 branch is mentioned in many Webplaces but not here ? These only two branch fot DF27 are so relevant or not ? I don't see also ZZ39 in this Rb1-DF27 Panel.

A rare subclade like yours means a historical subclade !! I find that exciting !! Is the genealogic link to Vincent de Valois en Crepy, full connected or not ?

Even though FGC23196 is small, it is still old. Ytree and YFull both have it listed as being formed around 1500BCE. Valois and an unknown Italian kit are still at FGC23196. Two Dutchmen, a Dane, and a Swede cluster together several snps below FGC23196. I am now FGC33002 because one of my 111 marker matches took the BigY 500. He has not submitted his results to Ytree or YFull but his line is from Ireland and his surname could be Norman, Anglo-Saxon, or Gaelic. I am thinking it’s not Gaelic as my branch of DF27 is not very common in Ireland. FTDNA gives us a 99% probability of having a common ancestor at around 24 generations ago. We also have 6 snps not in common. So by my calculations we had a common ancestor at around 1200CE.

Dalluin
08-11-2019, 01:51 PM
It would be a genealogic tree much too long indeed ! A part of mystery still remains around North Sea, especially with extensions via Spain or towards Italia

REWM
08-11-2019, 02:05 PM
A part of mystery still remains around North Sea, especially with extensions via Spain or towards Italia

My mystery is how my paternal line entered Ireland. With my surname I assume it was from Normans.

Dalluin
08-11-2019, 02:34 PM
My mystery is how my paternal line entered Ireland. With my surname I assume it was from Normans.

Directly or rather via a anglo-norman way : any idea or some indices maybe in autosomal DNA ? Surnames were not so elder (with much unknown historical things before......)

Dalluin
08-14-2019, 10:17 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019 (sorry @REWM :( I did my best but if it doesn't work, that doesn't work)
A431- le 13 //08/2019

Still waiting again for Z2560

Now waiting too for Z1899, Y5058 and BY1058 le 13/08/2019

Dalluin
08-14-2019, 10:22 PM
Hopefully your Z2573. B)

Sorry, I miss the examination !!

REWM
08-15-2019, 12:37 AM
Sorry, I miss the examination !!

C'est La Vie

alchemist223
08-15-2019, 05:19 AM
Have you received any STR results?

Dalluin
08-15-2019, 06:32 AM
Have you received any STR results?

Deux news ones indeeed Yesterday : Z2573- & A431-

Dalluin
08-19-2019, 09:19 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019

Still waiting again for BY1058 & Z1899

Now waiting too for FGC23071 le 18/08/2019 (subclade of @fabrice E)

Dalluin
08-21-2019, 08:30 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019

Waiting the next tests : I hope not to be DF27*, so much efforts for something at the end

Dalluin
08-21-2019, 09:07 PM
29 possibilities left !! Just a matter of time and patience

Webb
08-21-2019, 09:15 PM
29 possibilities left !! Just a matter of time and patience

There is a small cluster under DF27 that is neither Z196 or ZZ12.

Dalluin
08-21-2019, 10:15 PM
DF27 Panel is only for SNPs recognized by ISOGGG, neither STR or clusters : ZZ12 is not a possible subclade here !!

Webb
08-21-2019, 10:45 PM
DF27 Panel is only for SNPs recognized by ISOGGG, neither STR or clusters : ZZ12 is not a possible subclade here !!

You are correct that it is not tested for. Alex Williamson includes it in his tree at Ytree. It is not found in YFull or ISOGG’s trees. However, it can be used as a place holder, so to speak, to show branching just below DF27. Since you are Z196-, probability means you are most likely one of the numerous branches directly below DF27, or ZZ12 if you prefer Alex’s Ytree.

Dalluin
08-21-2019, 11:37 PM
New volley processing 22/08/2018 : YP4295, A6137, Z37492, L617

No news guaranted during my holidays since 31 August

Dalluin
08-26-2019, 10:17 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019
YP4295 G- le 23/08/2019
A6137 ins- le 23/08/2019
Z37492 ins- le 23/08/2019
L617 G- le 23/08/2019
S6218 processing till 23/08/2019
FGC17112 processing till 23/08/2019
DF79 processing till 23/08/2019
CTS3919 processing till 23/08/2019

the track is not over :) :)

Dalluin
08-30-2019, 12:39 AM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019
YP4295 G- le 23/08/2019
A6137 ins- le 23/08/2019
Z37492 ins- le 23/08/2019
L617 G- le 23/08/2019
DF79- Le 29/08/2019 (new result)
S6218- Le 29/08/2019 (new result)
FGC17112 processing till 23/08/2019
CTS3919 processing till 23/08/2019

Webb
08-30-2019, 11:10 AM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019
YP4295 G- le 23/08/2019
A6137 ins- le 23/08/2019
Z37492 ins- le 23/08/2019
L617 G- le 23/08/2019
DF79- Le 29/08/2019 (new result)
S6218- Le 29/08/2019 (new result)
FGC17112 processing till 23/08/2019
CTS3919 processing till 23/08/2019

I’m not familiar with YSeq’s processing. Does this mean you are negative for every test so far?

Dalluin
08-30-2019, 04:13 PM
Exactly for the moment !! One SNP by one SNP until the good subclade is found !! again 25 posssibilities left !! A litte game of patience, hazard and obstinacy.....

Dalluin
08-30-2019, 09:23 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019
YP4295 G- le 23/08/2019
A6137 ins- le 23/08/2019
Z37492 ins- le 23/08/2019
L617 G- le 23/08/2019
DF79- Le 29/08/2019
S6218- Le 29/08/2019
FGC17112 - le 30/08/2019
CTS3919 processing till 23/08/2019
BY27831 rocessing till 29/08/2019

Too soon to be RF27* as so much Frenchs (many Frenchs are DF27 ) but it takes slowly this way

Shadogowah
08-31-2019, 09:16 AM
Dalluin, please, take a BigY test in FTDNA. It will be much appreciated by your DF27 cousins.

Dalluin
08-31-2019, 05:36 PM
Dalluin, please, take a BigY test in FTDNA. It will be much appreciated by your DF27 cousins.

I'm waiting the issue of DF27 panel first !! BIG Y is absolutely not on the agenda....

why that BigY ?
why this strange product too much connected with american mercantilism ??
what mean firstly these shadows mutations ZZ12, ZZ19, ZZ39 ?
why these duck dimes to FDNA ?

Aren't my european DF27 cousins able to wait ?
I'm not hurry up !!

Dalluin
09-03-2019, 07:50 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019
YP4295 G- le 23/08/2019
A6137 ins- le 23/08/2019
Z37492 ins- le 23/08/2019
L617 G- le 23/08/2019
DF79- Le 29/08/2019
S6218- Le 29/08/2019
FGC17112 - le 30/08/2019
CTS3919 processing till 23/08/2019
BY27831 rocessing till 29/08/2019
BY3332 processing till 31/08/2019
BY653 processing till 31/08/2019
A2146 processing till 31/08/2019

Dalluin
09-03-2019, 07:56 PM
Z196- le 12/07/2019
FGC13109- le 07/08/2019
Z225- le 07/08/2019
Z2571- le 07/08/2019
FGC20764- le 09/08/2019
Z2573- le 13/08/2019
A431- le 13/08/2019
Z2560 - le 18/08/2019
Y5058 - le 18/08/2019
BY1058 - le 21/08/2019
Z1899 - le 21/08/2019
FGC23071- le 21/08/2019
YP4295 G- le 23/08/2019
A6137 ins- le 23/08/2019
Z37492 ins- le 23/08/2019
L617 G- le 23/08/2019
DF79- Le 29/08/2019
S6218- Le 29/08/2019
FGC17112 - le 30/08/2019
CTS3919 - le 3/09/2019
BY3332- le 3/09/2019
BY653- le 3/09/2019
A2146- le 3/09/2019
BY27831+ le 3/09/2019

Dalluin
09-03-2019, 08:04 PM
Je ne suis pas DF27* mais du sous clade BY27831+ :) :)
et il y a encore quelques branches downstream

32898

Après j'ignore à l'instant encore tout de ce sous groupe :) :( :) .......

lgmayka
09-03-2019, 08:26 PM
Je ne suis pas DF27* mais du sous clade BY27831+ :) :)
Congratulations! YFull calls this branch R-ZS7534 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-ZS7534/). One subclade is Scottish, the other Portuguese. FTDNA's haplotree (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R) additionally shows a German in subclade R-BY27833.

razyn
09-03-2019, 08:46 PM
Je ne suis pas DF27* mais du sous clade BY27831+ :)

Whew!

And congratulations to Thomas and Astrid (YSEQ), for persistence.

Webb
09-04-2019, 03:27 PM
Je ne suis pas DF27* mais du sous clade BY27831+ :) :)
et il y a encore quelques branches downstream

32898

Après j'ignore à l'instant encore tout de ce sous groupe :) :( :) .......

Congratulations!!!!

Dalluin
09-04-2019, 11:05 PM
So, after identification of positive subclade BY27831, DF27 panel is now processing with the last SNPs to test downstream :
BY27831+ 03/09/2019
Y138237 processing till 04/09/2019

Dalluin
09-06-2019, 10:59 PM
DF27+ le 28/06/2019
Z196- le 12/07/2019
BY27831+ 03/09/2019
Y138237- 06/09/2019 (portuguese subclade)

Dalluin
09-07-2019, 03:59 PM
There's three possibilities left as final subclade :
*Connection with german branch familly Counts Coontz (BY27833+)
* Connection with scottish branch Murray Clan (R-Z96500 i.e BY96801+ )
* Unknown (french ?) subclade (BY27831*)

It becomes really more accurate :) :P :) !!

I Bet YSEQ will test first the scottish Way

Dalluin
09-08-2019, 10:22 PM
bingo, BY96801 test processing since 08/09/2019 !!

Dalluin
09-09-2019, 03:28 PM
This week, it's the Final : germanic subclade versus scottish subclade !!
With a potential french outsider, who could report the announcement of the Winner next week !!

Dalluin
09-13-2019, 12:13 PM
bingo, BY96801 test processing since 08/09/2019 !!

I haven't noticed yet : They have tested together BY27833
DF27+ le 28/06/2019
Z196- le 12/07/2019
BY27831+ le 03/09/2019
Y138237- le 06/09/2019 (portuguese subclade : game over)
BY27833- le 12/09/2019 (germanic subclade :game over )

Last known SNP in competition BY96801 still processing till le 09/09/2019 (the scottish branch Murray Clan (R-Z96500)
or unknown SNP (french ? other subclade)

Scot or(supposed) French, that is all the last question !!

Dalluin
09-13-2019, 08:10 PM
End of suspens : the last competitor (scottish subclade) have also given up : BY960801- !! I'm a french BY27831* !!

Dalluin
09-13-2019, 08:12 PM
DF27+ le 28/06/2019
Z196- le 12/07/2019
BY27831+ le 03/09/2019
Y138237- le 06/09/2019 (portuguese subclade : game over)
BY27833- le 12/09/2019 (germanic subclade :game over)
BY96801- le 13/09/2019 (scottish subclade :game over)

Final Verdict DF27\BY27831*

kraken70
02-20-2020, 02:44 PM
Hello,
I'm writing in English for other's sake.
I'm interested in your result DF27\BY27831*
My oldest paternal ancester is from Northwest France. Would u say your most remote Y-ancester was from Normandy or came from north?...
Thanks for yr answer.

Dalluin
02-20-2020, 05:03 PM
Hello,
I'm writing in English for other's sake.
I'm interested in your result DF27\BY27831*
My oldest paternal ancester is from Northwest France. Would u say your most remote Y-ancester was from Normandy or came from north?...
Thanks for yr answer.

Born in Brussels (Uccle) but just French, my patrilienar familly is with no doubt from Cotentin, the western and armorican part of Normandy (central Cotentin in Brix Area)

kraken70
02-24-2020, 12:58 PM
Born in Brussels (Uccle) but just French, my patrilienar familly is with no doubt from Cotentin, the western and armorican part of Normandy (central Cotentin in Brix Area)

Thank you for yr answer.

Dalluin
01-05-2021, 06:54 PM
WGS processing !! Close to Gibraltar (IdYF65964 in YFull) or a french unknown subclade ?? Some news in a few weeks, or months.....

Faus44
01-21-2021, 11:02 AM
Hola disculpa la molestia. Si soy ZZ12 por dónde me recomiendas hacer las pruebas para poner conocer mi subclase?
muchas gracias

Baraona
01-22-2021, 02:27 PM
Greetings, fellow zz12.

I always recomend the Y700 on FTDNA, to join the df27 proyect there. i dont know how good is Yseq, but I upload then my raw data on Yfull, and with those, I have lot of the information what i search for.

Hola, compañero zz12. Yo siempre recomiendo el Y700 de familytreedna. Tiene una buena base de datos (la mas grande, creo) y en el proyecto df27 ahi hay gente que sabe bastante. No he hecho pruebas en Yseq, pero si subi mi raw data en Yfull, y con los datos de ambos sitios tengo una buena cantidad de info. Saludos!

alejandromb92
01-22-2021, 03:21 PM
Hola disculpa la molestia. Si soy ZZ12 por dónde me recomiendas hacer las pruebas para poner conocer mi subclase?
muchas gracias

Yo te recomendaria el Panel R1b-DF27 de YSEQ, recuerda que es posible que incluso no seas ZZ12, tienes que jugar con esa posibilidad, ademas que esos paneles son demasiados completos.

Faus44
01-22-2021, 08:37 PM
Muchas gracias. A todos todos. Me hare el DF27 YSEQ

kraken70
01-25-2021, 06:14 PM
Muchas gracias. A todos todos. Me hare el DF27 YSEQ

Buenas dias primo genetico !
Hé comprobado el panel R1b-DF27 de la compañia YSEQ durante el verano 2018 y concluyeron que soy DF-27* ; es decir que no encontraron un subclade en mi caso. Comprendo que eso ocurre mucho con DF27. Entonces supongo que soy ZZ12 como vos.
Antes de comprobar con Yseq, vos aconsejo esperar su proxima "release" del panel DF27 porque ya esta viejo de cerca un año : 20-Feb-2020.
Un saludo desde Europa!

Hello,
I tested for panel product R1b-DF27 of YSEQ in June 2018. They discovered I'm DF27* ; they couldn't match me in any subclade. I know it happens oftenly with DF27. So I believe I'm ZZ12 like you.
Before to test for this panel in Yseq, I'd suggest you to wait for the next release of this product as it is quite old dated now : 20-Feb-2020.
Sincerely.

Dalluin
04-12-2021, 04:51 PM
WGS is delivered just this day :) : 126 Gbyte of Data !!
Haplogroups Confirmed (+26 private SNPs for Y)

Next step : Yfull :)

Dalluin
04-14-2021, 12:19 PM
(My) Id YF83613 is just in the middle of a discussion with its neighbor GIB YF65964, (unique other R-BY27831*).
No idea how long it takes for YFull to confront possible shared private SNPs??

Already half a day gone

Very soon a fourth subclade downstream of R-BY27831 or not yet ??

Dalluin
04-21-2021, 10:22 PM
SNP and STR data (YF83613) analysis have been successfully completed by YFull !!

Age estimation in progress.
You will see after the next monthly upgrade by Yfull if FR YF83613 GIB YF65964 are on a newsubclade or not !!

44442

Mnt DNA close now too in YFull : T1à1*

44443



15 month ago, there were no BY27831* in Yfull.
Now you're 2 and hope to newbie very soon !!

Dalluin
06-28-2021, 11:18 PM
End of YFull processing : TMRCA increased from 4000 ybp to 4200 ybp
New STRs found with 139 STRs checked : 107/111 and for a total of 665 STRs caracterized

Dalluin
07-01-2021, 11:00 AM
I am also now referenced in the Big Tree