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Farroukh
01-02-2014, 07:14 AM
There is new G-P303 project:
G-Uncategorized & Root-Level Men- Background (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/G-Uncategorized/default.aspx?section=yresults)
Haplotype of Talish man from azerbaijan DNA project was moved in G2a2b2a...P303+ & not tested all subgrps
12 marker tree has Armeno-Indo-Iranian ("Asian") and European branches. But Talish haplotype (Orujev) right in the root of the tree:

http://s020.radikal.ru/i704/1401/a5/e6485f9cfd16t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/fp/9a6fd2c9c6034fa3b6906414ed6aa20f)

soulblighter
01-03-2014, 11:27 PM
How was this tree made?
Very interesting if accurate. I posted a few other G-P303 samples under my other post from the Afghanistan paper. Can you add those to your tree?
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1102-List-of-public-G2a-P303-samples-negative-for-subgroups&p=17711&viewfull=1#post17711

what are the numbers you have on the chart? the ones pointing towards samples with arrows with a +- . Look like age estimates, but I am not sure how to read them.

The Yazd sample(120462) from Iran and the south Indian samples surely seem very close. Isn't Yazd the center of Zoroastrianism?

Farroukh
01-04-2014, 05:38 AM
How was this tree made?
MURKA phylogeny package for parsimony methods, by Valery Zaporozhchenko, Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Moscow, Russia/
Short manual for MURKA is here (http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=1765.msg29578#msg29578).

I posted a few other G-P303 samples under my other post from the Afghanistan paper. Can you add those to your tree?
Send them all at absheron(at)gmail.com

the ones pointing towards samples with arrows with a +- . Look like age estimates, but I am not sure how to read them.
Yes, they are. But haplotypes are too short, therefore do not use those ages as a rule. That 12-markers tree is useful to find different branches/subclades. For more accurate estimations as minimum 37-markers sample is needed.

Farroukh
01-04-2014, 05:44 AM
The Yazd sample(120462) from Iran and the south Indian samples surely seem very close. Isn't Yazd the center of Zoroastrianism?
Yes, it seems. Perhaps those G-P303* are the Indo-European migrants (if based on so called Armenian hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_hypothesis))
http://s020.radikal.ru/i713/1401/2b/5329bc43e747t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/fp/2c32d0cc7fda40efbdd99409843588e7)

newtoboard
01-04-2014, 01:54 PM
The Anatolian hypothesis is one thing but almost nobody believes in the Armenian hypothesis.

newtoboard
01-04-2014, 02:33 PM
The closeness of Iranian G lineages doesn't surprise me as I don't think the bulk of South Asian G lineages are of Neolithic origin but rather descendants of the farming lineages that accompanied R1a from Central Asia. This would explain the closeness as well as the occurrence of G lineages other than G2a3.

Farroukh
01-05-2014, 04:59 AM
The Anatolian hypothesis is one thing but almost nobody believes in the Armenian hypothesis.
It is one of the hypothesises and not religion to beleive.
Perhaps, neolithic origin of G2a means migration of Proto-Dravidian languages.

soulblighter
01-29-2014, 04:03 PM
There is new G-P303 project:
G-Uncategorized & Root-Level Men- Background (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/G-Uncategorized/default.aspx?section=yresults)
Haplotype of Talish man from azerbaijan DNA project was moved in G2a2b2a...P303+ & not tested all subgrps
12 marker tree has Armeno-Indo-Iranian ("Asian") and European branches. But Talish haplotype (Orujev) right in the root of the tree:



My sample from south India is now P303+, L140-, M278- and L694-.
So I guess it will move to G-P303* on the project.

soulblighter
05-19-2014, 11:23 PM
Ted Kandell posted this comment on the Haplogroup G facebook page:


Iyer and Iyengar Brahmins from Tamil Nadu also in P303*. This same clade is found among Brahmins from West Bengal and Kashmir. it's probably the most distinctive Brahmin Y clade out there, totally unique to Brahamins and very ancient:
N96726 R c1909-1982, Tiruvarur, India G-P303 15 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12-13-14-14 11 11 18-20 15 12 18 19 35-37 12 10 12 8 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 14 22-22 14 10 12 12 12 8 12 21 22 16 13 11 13 11 11 11 11 M7542 J G-P303 15 23 16 10 12-14 11 12 10 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 33 11-13-13-13 10 11 18-20 15 13 20 18 33-37 12 10 11 8 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 14 22-22 14 10 12 12 12 8 12 23 23 15 13 11 13 10 11 11 12 29 16 8 15 11 22 27 22 11 11 11 12 11 9 9 11 10 10 12 26 10 12 23 13 10 10 28 15 18 13 24 16 13 15 24 12 21 18 11 13 17 9 11 11
N71043 Rangaswamy 1165 CE in Kanchipuram G-P303 16 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12-12-14-14 11 11 18-20 16 12 19 18 36-37 12 10 12 8 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 14 22-22 14 10 12 12 12 8 12 21 22 16 13 11 13 11 11 11 11
N2954 Samuelson India G-M201 15 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28

I wonder what Kashmiri and Bengali brahman samples of the same clade/haplotype he is referring to. If true, this is a significant founder effect spread from the very north to the east and all the way to the southern tip of India among brahmans.