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Censored
08-30-2019, 03:40 AM
Inspired by Kulin's thread about borderline people.

I feel it's possible I may have encountered one or two socio/psycopaths in the past but it was pretty obvious what they were from the start, even though I should've been more careful. But from what I've read online, in most cases by the time you realize you're dealing with one it's already too late. So in your experience, what are early warning signs, things to look out for, etc.

GTC
08-30-2019, 04:14 AM
The Hare Checklist provides a good summary of symptoms:

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html

Sam Vaknin is a self-confessed narcissist who has been evaluated as psychopathic rather than narcissistic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vaknin

He is considered by some to be an expert on NPD: http://samvak.tripod.com/

Here he is in the 2009 documentary "I, Psychopath": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvhKI6Kxew

And again in 2016 in "How Narcissists Took Over the World": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO2U1thFAk

Kale
08-30-2019, 05:05 AM
I 'heard somewhere something like this', take it with a grain of salt obviously.
Failure to reciprocate yawning (easy test with any length of contact) > no mirror neurons > no empathy > helps not to have if your a socio/psychopath.

Censored
08-30-2019, 05:22 AM
I 'heard somewhere something like this', take it with a grain of salt obviously.
Failure to reciprocate yawning (easy test with any length of contact) > no mirror neurons > no empathy > helps not to have if your a socio/psychopath.

Can’t that also be a sign of ASD though?

GTC
08-30-2019, 05:42 AM
I 'heard somewhere something like this', take it with a grain of salt obviously.
Failure to reciprocate yawning (easy test with any length of contact) > no mirror neurons > no empathy > helps not to have if your a socio/psychopath.

Re yawning: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201508/why-psychopaths-are-immune-contagious-yawning

I have experienced my dog catching my yawns. I considered it a co-incidence. Maybe it isn't.

Kale
08-30-2019, 05:43 AM
I'd assume it's more complex. Different types of mirror neurons corresponding to different areas of the brain and whatnot. Not to mention different factors unique to socio/psychopathy and ASD.

firemonkey
08-30-2019, 06:47 AM
ASD involves lack of cognitive empathy , not affective empathy. ASD has nothing to do with psychopathy/sociopathy .

Donwulff
08-30-2019, 08:58 AM
Today, "Mirror Neurons" are generally found under headings of "myths" and "debunked scientific follies". See for example http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/mirror-neurons-quarter-century-new-light-new-cracks/ "Finally, the theory that mirror neuron defects might underlie autism—the “broken mirror” hypothesis—has proven most dubious of all. An exhaustive recent review of 25 different studies presents a wide array of behavioral and neurological evidence that deficient mirror neurons probably do not lie at the core of autism." and https://digest.bps.org.uk/2019/03/25/there-is-only-weak-evidence-that-mirror-neurons-underlie-human-empathy-new-review-and-meta-analysis/ "Nearly 20 years on, what evidence do we have that mirror neurons provide the basis for human empathy? According to a new meta-analysis and systematic review released as a preprint at PsyArXiv, the short answer is “not a lot”." Of course, that doesn't stop people from researching.

firemonkey
08-30-2019, 09:33 AM
This might interest some of you.


The expression of many genes that have previously been associated with autism is abnormal also in violent psychopathy, a new study shows.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190830/Psychopathy-associated-with-robust-alterations-in-expression-of-genes-study-shows.aspx

Trelvern
08-30-2019, 10:23 AM
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Trelvern
08-30-2019, 10:34 AM
See Mindhunter!


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oz
08-30-2019, 01:38 PM
I did a few horrible psychopathic/sociopathic things when I was a child that I'm too ashamed and disgusted to mention. But I haven't been a psychopath or a sociopath since then and I have plenty of empathy even more than enough. I guess growing up under influence of good parenting and upbringing changed my personality radically.

I still feel like I'm probably gonna go to hell for it.

Elizabeth
09-22-2019, 12:01 AM
I think my biological father is a sociopath/psychopath, but not a violent one. He has no empathy or remorse. He is very self-centered and cold.

Elizabeth
09-22-2019, 12:02 AM
I did a few horrible psychopathic/sociopathic things when I was a child that I'm too ashamed and disgusted to mention. But I haven't been a psychopath or a sociopath since then and I have plenty of empathy even more than enough. I guess growing up under influence of good parenting and upbringing changed my personality radically.

I still feel like I'm probably gonna go to hell for it.



I think you are okay because you have remorse.

Censored
09-28-2019, 01:14 AM
I did a few horrible psychopathic/sociopathic things when I was a child that I'm too ashamed and disgusted to mention. But I haven't been a psychopath or a sociopath since then and I have plenty of empathy even more than enough. I guess growing up under influence of good parenting and upbringing changed my personality radically.

I still feel like I'm probably gonna go to hell for it.

I can totally relate. I feel horrible about some things I did when I was younger. I think kids have naturally low empathy(despite the prevailing notion that it is the opposite). I had a very difficult time growing up too, so while I can still forgive myself somewhat I feel for those that I hurt.

oz
09-28-2019, 05:49 AM
I can totally relate. I feel horrible about some things I did when I was younger. I think kids have naturally low empathy(despite the prevailing notion that it is the opposite). I had a very difficult time growing up too, so while I can still forgive myself somewhat I feel for those that I hurt.

I think I can blame it on the following circumstances:
1. Parents divorcing when I was 2 years old because my dad was a violent drunk.
2. A war breaking out when I was 4.
3. And just an infantile not fully developed brain
Also both of my grandfathers died long before I was born, and I've been a damn immigrant and refugee most of my childhood and youth. I think I turned out pretty ok, could be a lot worse. And I'm mostly thankful to my mother for that because she's a very unselfish, compassionate, intelligent and patient person.

mainer
10-01-2019, 09:59 AM
I'd say it is use of language. If we give credence to the perspective of Cognitive Psychology (https://www.bartleby.com/textbooks/cognitive-psychology-connecting-mind-research-and-everyday-experience-mindtap-course-list-4th-edition/9781285763880/solutions), it might be possible to say if one is disposed to different tendencies: that is, whether one is depressive, anxious, possibly homicidal, or psychopathic. But this mainly works in the clinical or therapeutic context, not everyday, one-on-one situations (although I may be wrong). At the same time, there isn't a foolproof way of instantly spotting a psychopath. Perhaps the clinical context is the only way to "surmise" (not even conclude) whether or not one is a psychopath. Moreover, prevention is a dubious thing in criminal law. One is innocent until proven guilty, which forbids us from acting on the assumption that one may be harmful. A hunch is not a legal incentive.

Milkyway
10-09-2019, 12:08 PM
There are lots of tests on the Internet to identify psychopathic or sociopathic traits.
Here's one from the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151123-how-dark-is-your-personality

Having psychopathic traits doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person (much less a serial killer). In fact, most people have some or many of them. They're apparently more common among bosses and in certain professions (including journalists, surgeons and clergymen).

https://www.businessinsider.es/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T

I've met a (likely) psychopath guy at school. He used to be one of my best friends, but at the same time he liked to torture animals (except cats, whom he adored), was fascinated by fire and lacked empathy. I met some sociopaths at work (including two of my former bosses). They basically lack empathy and think that it's always the others that make mistakes. They like to trigger emotions (mostly bad ones) in others, abuse their authority constantly and have poor social skills (these ones had no friends at or outside the workplace). I don't dare to listen other traits because I'm not a psychologist, but I think that most of us can tell if there's something wrong with an individual.

doanhmarket
01-04-2021, 08:47 AM
Are there any visible signs of multi-personality?