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Táltos
01-06-2014, 08:22 PM
Well I thought I would start a thread on this topic here because it pertains to my paternal line. :-) I know there are not many Q1b types out there, but anyone feel free to post your thoughts on how this haplogroup found its way into the Jewish population and into Europe. Evon posted a thread on the Three Hares, looking at the map on the Wikipedia page about the spread of the Three Hares sparked my interest about the spread of Q1b, Q1b1a. See map in the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_hares Just a thought. :biggrin1:

Tomasso29
01-06-2014, 10:20 PM
The upstream of your haplogroup (Q1b1-M378) has been found in West, South, and parts of Central Asia along with Europe. Considering that Q1a has reached all the way to the Americas, it would make sense that Q1 in general is an Asian haplogroup. If I were to take a guess on Q1b1, it probably originated somewhere between West and South Asia. In the European case, it probably got there via the Middle East, not the steppes.

newtoboard
01-07-2014, 12:14 AM
Which groups in South Asia have Q1b?

Tomasso29
01-07-2014, 04:23 AM
Which groups in South Asia have Q1b?

It's rare in South Asia but it has been found among the Sindhi and Hazara people.

Táltos
01-07-2014, 04:16 PM
Thanks for the conversation guys. :-) Yes Q1b has been found in the Sindhi and Hazara people. But like most Q1b and all subclades of it they are pretty rare as a whole. Even the amount of Q1b1a found in the Jewish people is not in any way a major subclade for them. Q1b1a has also been found in Switzerland. There is also a Netherlands-Irish-Germany cluster (also someone from Ireland here) that has 15-17 at DYF395S1, that is not considered Jewish. They are L245+, which makes them Q1b1a. The Ashkenazi one is usually 15-19, and sometimes 15-18 at those STRs.

Some other groups that Q1b is found in are Tatars in Russia- they show to be L314+ which sits right under L275. For some reason they only list this as a green Q in whatever FTDNA projects I can find them in. They are clearly Q1b. http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ.html They are negative for the L245. Some of the projects that thankfully list the SNPs under the Y results, I can see the men that are considered in the Ashkenazi cluster,some did extensive SNP testing. They are positive for the L245, but also the L275, L314, and also they are positive for the M378. I also wonder why some projects do not bother to list the tested SNPs? I am finding it most annoying when they don't. One would think this is an essential part of these projects.

Others that are Q-L275 positive, but negative for Q-M378 are from Uzbekistan, Pakistan, and India.

Others under Q1b1, the hardly ever mentioned Uyghurs (Uighurs) . There is also Q1b1 or M378+, L245- from Kazakhstan. Some Iranians under Q-L301 or also Q1b1.

Others that are Q1b1a are from Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Portugal, Syria but I think they are Armenian, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Italy, India, Turkey. Also an Avar and a Kaitak from Dagestan. I had a Q1b1a who had emailed me to let me know that he was from the Mutayr tribe of Arabia. He was surprised that one of my ancestral names (though not quite the direct paternal line but married into my direct paternal line) was very similar to the name of his tribe. I actually was surprised when I found this last name too in my family tree. It is a name that would mean that one is Hungarian and not Lithuanian or Polish. The name is Mutyar which has been interpreted as Magyar.

mutair
10-06-2015, 06:11 PM
Mutair is a word of Arabic ,it is meaning rain

Afshar
10-06-2015, 06:18 PM
The Qs found in Gokcumen et al also seem to be Q1b s

mutair
10-06-2015, 07:04 PM
6207

this is from saudi arabia

Táltos
10-06-2015, 09:15 PM
Mutair is a word of Arabic ,it is meaning rain

Welcome to Anthrogenica! Thank you for the Arabic meaning :)

mutair
10-11-2015, 11:28 AM
6207

this is from saudi arabia
i ask you , about my result :)

Táltos
10-11-2015, 03:00 PM
i ask you , about my result :)
Hi mutair have you tested any more SNPs? I can see in the Haplogroup Q project there are several men from Saudi Arabia that are recommend to test Q-Y2209 and Q-YP746.

Q-M378 predates the existence of the Jewish population. Q1b SNPs associated with the Jews are listed under Q-Y2200. Check out the YFULL tree for those particular ones. http://yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2200/

mutair
10-12-2015, 05:48 AM
http://yfull.com/tree/Q-L245/
6281
this is my result

AM.SAUDI ARABIA
10-14-2015, 04:32 AM
LOOOOL ,
MR.Mutair , the results are mine , I think there is a mistake.

Táltos
10-14-2015, 02:48 PM
LOOOOL ,
MR.Mutair , the results are mine , I think there is a mistake.

AM.SAUDI ARABIA welcome to Anthrogenica! Clearly the result belongs to you. Great to see more Q1b men here.

In going back to the activity board of the Haplogroup Q project there was also another Arab Q1b besides yourself that had taken Big Y. I'm not sure if that is mutair? Anyway it is interesting to see both Arabic and Jewish Q1b. The Q1b is in the minority for the Arabs as well as the Jews. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/EasternCoast?iframe=yresults
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/saudiarabia/default.aspx?section=yresults

It is my belief that our greatest of grandfathers (Q-L275) came from Central Asia. The Q-L245 that we also share besides the Q-L275, is older than current borders. The million dollar question is how did they find their way into the Middle East?

AM.SAUDI ARABIA
10-14-2015, 08:13 PM
Thanks Táltos ,
Actually is confusing because our haplogroup yp745 is present every where Middle east ,north Africa and central Europe. As far as I know our haplogroup Q1b is found in many places in Arabian peninsula. One of the results is found in southern of Saudi Arabia closed to Yemen, from city called Jazan (197532) he Identified his self as from (Bani Umayyah) .Also, there are a few results from Western region of Saudi Arabia closed to Madinah city but it seems there TMRCA is above 2000 years. The majority of q1b men from sadui arabia are located on east cost of Arabian peninsula closed to United Arab of emirates and Bahrain. The other results of q1b men from Arabian peninsula are living on United Arab of emirates and also there is one result from country of Oman.In conclusion , the majority of Arabian results from Arabian peninsula are living on the east cost. The east cost is closed to central Asia( Iran on the other side) and also closed to Iraq. So, I think our ancestors (probably )migrated from central Asia to 2 different directions , one to west south and distributed on Arabian peninsula and the other to Eurasia then to Europe.But presence YP745 in north Africa and central Europe is dilemma

Táltos
10-15-2015, 04:47 AM
Thanks Táltos ,
Actually is confusing because our haplogroup yp745 is present every where Middle east ,north Africa and central Europe. As far as I know our haplogroup Q1b is found in many places in Arabian peninsula. One of the results is found in southern of Saudi Arabia closed to Yemen, from city called Jazan (197532) he Identified his self as from (Bani Umayyah) .Also, there are a few results from Western region of Saudi Arabia closed to Madinah city but it seems there TMRCA is above 2000 years. The majority of q1b men from sadui arabia are located on east cost of Arabian peninsula closed to United Arab of emirates and Bahrain. The other results of q1b men from Arabian peninsula are living on United Arab of emirates and also there is one result from country of Oman.In conclusion , the majority of Arabian results from Arabian peninsula are living on the east cost. The east cost is closed to central Asia( Iran on the other side) and also closed to Iraq. So, I think our ancestors (probably )migrated from central Asia to 2 different directions , one to west south and distributed on Arabian peninsula and the other to Eurasia then to Europe.But presence YP745 in north Africa and central Europe is dilemma
AM.SAUDI ARABIA you're welcome.

I agree with you that it is confusing as your subclade is found in a variety of places. It seems to be the case for all of Q1b. Found in small numbers, in different places. Looks to be a mobile group. Maybe from a fusion of the Incense Route and the Silk Road to explain the spread?
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ince/hd_ince.htm
http://www.silkroutes.net/SilkSpiceIncenseRoutes.htm

Another thought. I hope they will be able to analyze DNA from the Indus Valley skeletons. And I have to wonder could they possibly find a Q1b there?!
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/dig-this-5-000-yr-old-skeletons-found-in-hisar/story-sLOlc3ftyKrk9NZRpcGPAI.html
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4342-Indus-Valley-Civilization-skeletons

paulgill
10-15-2015, 05:24 AM
AM.SAUDI ARABIA you're welcome.

I agree with you that it is confusing as your subclade is found in a variety of places. It seems to be the case for all of Q1b. Found in small numbers, in different places. Looks to be a mobile group. Maybe from a fusion of the Incense Route and the Silk Road to explain the spread?
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ince/hd_ince.htm
http://www.silkroutes.net/SilkSpiceIncenseRoutes.htm

Another thought. I hope they will be able to analyze DNA from the Indus Valley skeletons. And I have to wonder could they possibly find a Q1b there?!
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/dig-this-5-000-yr-old-skeletons-found-in-hisar/story-sLOlc3ftyKrk9NZRpcGPAI.html
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4342-Indus-Valley-Civilization-skeletons

IVC, Mehrgarh and BMAC most likely were J2a, it is there for around 10000 yrs, L is another candidate for it, especially L3-M357.

While Q in the Middle East could be from Scythians and Parthians.

Laranicole
11-03-2017, 03:12 PM
My dads DNA info came back and it says Haplogroup Q1B1 and Q-M378 . We are ashkenazi jew so best I can come up with is that it started in Siberia and migrated eventually to Mongolia to the Khazars and then to Europe. We definitely are not Native Americans!

Táltos
05-09-2018, 03:21 AM
The Jewish Q Project at FTDNA was recently updated. Very nice!

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/jewish-q/about

There is a bigger Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242 Project that welcomes all Qs and we encourage all the members of this group to join that one as well. If you have Jewish ancestry on your direct paternal line, please also join the Avotaynu DNA project. Through these two projects, Adam Brown and Rebekah Canada are doing active research to explore and document the Jewish Q lineages including when they entered the Jewish Diaspora populations.

About Haplogroup Q
Haplogroup Q evolved in Eurasia 26,000 to 31,000 years ago.

In recent years, we have discovered that there are several different branches of Q in Jewish Diaspora populations. This follows a pattern we are told is seen with other haplogroups. One or two types are strongest in one group and almost absent in others. While this pattern could be explained many ways, one likely cause is the reduction of populations due to historic events. That is, the Diaspora itself.

In the Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jewish population we are finding that those from Haplogroup Q are Q-Y2200. There appears to be one more mutation downstream (Q-Y2232) that really is only found among Jewish men.

In addition, there are several branches of Q found in Sephardi, Yemeni, and Greek Jewish populations.

About This Group
You do not have to be religiously Jewish to join this group! We are most interested in those who find their Y-DNA to be in Haplogroup Q with male ancestry with a tradition of being Jewish.

If you have any questions please contact the group administrator, that's me. If you are in Haplogroup Q and I put you into a group that says your are Jewish, please send me a note telling me that your ancestors were not Jewish.

Dave Howard (nee Horwitz) [email protected]

Táltos
07-24-2018, 04:50 PM
Updates for Jewish Q! Q-Y2200 is the branch primarily found in Ashkenazi Jews, but there is a European who tested positive for Y2200 and not Y2232.

https://haplogroup.org/jewish-q-dna-project-weekly-news-3-july-2018/


Jewish Q DNA Project Weekly News – 3 July 2018
Hi,

This is Rebekah Canada with the Jewish Q DNA Project. I have updated the project's results page to show the branches of Q that we have documented in modern Jewish populations so far. Over the next few weeks, I will go over each one in our newsletter.

The first is Q-Y2232. The simple background on it is this. If your direct paternal line (your father's father's father) was Ashkenazi Jewish and you are a Y-DNA Q, then you are almost guarantied to be Q-Y2232 or a branch under it. Yup, that is it.

The project's current goals for this branch are to get everyone in it up to at least a Y37 and a Q-L245 SNP pack test level. For this group, that is the basic testing level. Y111 and Big Y are better, but we would really like to see everyone at the basic level. Why? Because the basic level allows us to sort people into branches that formed in the Middle Ages. That will help us better understand family patterns in Eastern Europe.

Q-Y2232
This branch is primarily found in the modern Ashkenazi Jewish population. For those with Ashkenazi Jewish oral traditions, our definitive SNP appears to Q-Y2232. Other Jewish Diaspora Q branches seem to come from elsewhere on the Q tree. They likely came into the Jewish population separately from Q-Y2232. Immediately above Q-Y2232 is Q-Y2200. It is unclear right now how and when those who are Q-Y2200 but not Q-Y2232 are related to their Ashkenazi Jewish cousins.

Behar and others published a scientific paper January 2004 found 5.22% of Ashkenazi Jewish men to have the P36 marker (a SNP downstream from M242 and upstream from M378) whereas among the non-Jewish neighbors there was only 0.3% had this SNP. It now appears that many of us also have another SNP downstream from M378, the L245. As the results from additional testing become known we will share that information.

M242 29,000 to 34,000 years old; Eurasia and the Americas
L275 26,000 to 31,000 years old; Eurasia
F1213 12,000 to 16,000 years old; Eurasia
M378 8,000 to 12,000 years old; Eurasia
L245 5,100 to 6,700 years old; Eurasia
Y2998 3,200 to 4,100 years old
Y2209 2,900 to 4,000 years old; Eurasia
Y2211 2,900 to 4,000 years old; Eurasia
Y2200 1,800 to 3,200 years old; Ashkenazi Jews and some Europeans
Y2232 Ashkenazi Jews (4% – 6% of the Ashkenazi population today.)

Erikl86
08-13-2018, 08:11 AM
Updates for Jewish Q! Q-Y2200 is the branch primarily found in Ashkenazi Jews, but there is a European who tested positive for Y2200 and not Y2232.

https://haplogroup.org/jewish-q-dna-project-weekly-news-3-july-2018/

Complete branches of Jewish Q-M378, including Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Yemenite Q's, from FTDNA's Jewish Q:

http://i64.tinypic.com/oks978.png

Pribislav
06-04-2019, 04:40 PM
Are there people of Jewish ancestry who belong to the other subclades below Y2209 except Y2225 (BZ1, FGC2020, YP730, BZ3000)?

Lupriac
06-04-2019, 06:18 PM
Is there Q1b1a among Palestinians? Is there any recent connection between the Jewish and Lebanese Q1b1a?