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JMcB
09-19-2019, 04:25 PM
SEE THE FACE OF YOUR 100,000-YEAR-OLD ANCESTOR

By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN

Israeli team used DNA to design first Denosivan replica

Meet “Denise,” the first reconstructed anatomical profile of what, until now, were considered the mysterious Denisovans, a group of archaic humans.

She was revealed on Thursday by researchers at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. The team who managed to recreate her profile say that long-term, their research shows possible strategies that could be taken for forensic applications.

Picture:
https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_TopStoryMobileFaceDetect/446503

Picture:
https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_Control/446507


https://m.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/See-the-face-of-your-100000-year-old-ancestor-602259

RP48
09-19-2019, 06:31 PM
Not sure she’d stand out in a crowd.

Dieu
09-19-2019, 08:35 PM
what are you talking about, denisovan are not our ancestors. plus we didn't discover head of denisovan yet.

RP48
09-20-2019, 02:32 AM
Denisovan DNA is present in many people today. Therefore Denisovans are ancestors to many people today. Similar to Neanderthals.

Logistic
09-20-2019, 12:40 PM
Wow...

Milkyway
09-20-2019, 03:18 PM
SEE THE FACE OF YOUR 100,000-YEAR-OLD ANCESTOR

By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN

Israeli team used DNA to design first Denosivan replica

Meet “Denise,” the first reconstructed anatomical profile of what, until now, were considered the mysterious Denisovans, a group of archaic humans.

She was revealed on Thursday by researchers at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. The team who managed to recreate her profile say that long-term, their research shows possible strategies that could be taken for forensic applications.

Picture:
https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_TopStoryMobileFaceDetect/446503

Picture:
https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_Control/446507


https://m.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/See-the-face-of-your-100000-year-old-ancestor-602259

I read somewhere (Wikipedia, probably) that Neanderthals were furry and they likely had dark skin. Since Denisovans are their closest relatives, could this apply to them, too? I understand that lip and nose shape, as well as skin/hair/eye color are highly speculative.

Milkyway
09-20-2019, 03:23 PM
Not sure she’d stand out in a crowd.

She wouldn't in this pic (at least not to me). She looks East Asian or even Native American (flat nose, relatively wide and short face). The thing is that we don't know if they could talk like modern humans. They likely had some sort of language, but their voices sounded slightly different (at least in the case of Neanderthals).

https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_Control/446507

Dieu
09-23-2019, 09:04 PM
Denisovan DNA is present in many people today. Therefore Denisovans are ancestors to many people today. Similar to Neanderthals.

Not in people of european and african descent.

thejkhan
09-23-2019, 09:25 PM
Not in people of european and african descent.

What about the East Eurasian in ANE.. it probably brings along some trace amount of Denisovan.

Kelmendasi
09-24-2019, 03:57 PM
I read somewhere (Wikipedia, probably) that Neanderthals were furry and they likely had dark skin. Since Denisovans are their closest relatives, could this apply to them, too? I understand that lip and nose shape, as well as skin/hair/eye color are highly speculative.
As far as we know the Neanderthals weren't furry, sure they probably had more body hair than Homo Sapiens, but not furry. As for the dark skin, aDNA suggests that they had lighter skin and possibly lighter hair (SNPs associated with red hair were present in some samples) http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/dna-genotypes-and-phenotypes. The furry, dark Neanderthal seems to be the creation of Danny Vendramini, his theory as a whole seems very far fetched.

aDNA results from both Denisovan and Neanderthal samples suggests that they shared a common ancestor ~400,000 years ago, so there was quite some divergence. Though they were closer to each other than they were to Homo Sapiens suggesting that they may have looked more similar to each other. This reconstruction does suggest that they looked similar.

anglesqueville
09-27-2019, 04:20 PM
The use of patterns of methylation by the Israeli staff is something really new and quite fascinating. Thank you very much JMcB.
For info about the interbreeding of Denisovans and modern humans: "The Shaping of Modern Human Immune Systems by Multiregional Admixture with Archaic Humans" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3677943/

The_Lyonnist
09-27-2019, 10:26 PM
lol............

JMcB
09-28-2019, 03:50 AM
The use of patterns of methylation by the Israeli staff is something really new and quite fascinating. Thank you very much JMcB.

Needless to say, it was my pleasure! The technique they used was certainly new to me. Although, I suspect you understand it’s significance far better than I do.



For info about the interbreeding of Denisovans and modern humans: "The Shaping of Modern Human Immune Systems by Multiregional Admixture with Archaic Humans" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3677943/

Thank you! I’ll look forward to reading this.

Milkyway
10-01-2019, 10:24 PM
As far as we know the Neanderthals weren't furry, sure they probably had more body hair than Homo Sapiens, but not furry. As for the dark skin, aDNA suggests that they had lighter skin and possibly lighter hair (SNPs associated with red hair were present in some samples) http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/dna-genotypes-and-phenotypes. The furry, dark Neanderthal seems to be the creation of Danny Vendramini, his theory as a whole seems very far fetched.

aDNA results from both Denisovan and Neanderthal samples suggests that they shared a common ancestor ~400,000 years ago, so there was quite some divergence. Though they were closer to each other than they were to Homo Sapiens suggesting that they may have looked more similar to each other. This reconstruction does suggest that they looked similar.

I think that there's not much information on their external looks (yet). I remember this work https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/03/were-some-neandertals-brown-eyed-girls and also some studies in modern humans that link certain Neanderthal alleles with variation in eye and skin color (which means some produce a darker shade and others a lighter one). Here: http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30379-8. There were red-haired Neanderthals (and probably albino ones as well), the thing is that these mutations are different from the ones we find in modern humans. I don't know about Denisovans.

Regarding furriness, their fingers resembled those of chimpanzees in that they have ridges that served to clutch to the mother's fur (modern humans don't have them). Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean they were as furry as a wolf :biggrin1:.

Milkyway
10-01-2019, 10:31 PM
Not in people of european and african descent.

Finns probably do according to this work:

https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0092867418301752

I read an abstract about Icelandic genomes where they had identified DNA segments of Denisovan origin (the work is not yet published I think).

Henry Stevens
08-01-2020, 01:52 AM
Using bones we like 22 year olds. They are just mature adults. This girl is not 22 and we really don't know what she would look like at 22. The Israeli system gave us this girl but they should have continued their process and given us the adult for comparison. And in using their system or methodology, or whatever you call it, there is absolutely no reason this cannot and should not be done.

dsm
08-01-2020, 04:52 AM
I know this thread is old, but just for the record am adding some details of images I am aware of, that IMHO, suggest that some current peoples today may still carry some Denisovan features.

I'll then add two pics that also show IMHO surprisingly similar appearances of very old and current.

1st Denisovans: It has been written that some Papuan tribes in New Guinea, carry as much as 12% Denisovan DNA. Here is a pic of an Aboriginal child (from Australia but they have links to New Guinea).

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This pic is the daughter of one of my Papuan nieces. Not quite a match as the pic above but I can see enough similarities and also she has a European father. Her mother (my niece) is Papuan.

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A story that mentions the high Denisovan DNA in New Guinea - https://www.mpg.de/13329072/0409-evan-019609-multiple-denisovan-related-ancestries-in-papuans?fbclid=IwAR1QRZVOlo-5UeJ5HSIK-3_PZjz60lyLujbkxXKsm6kGbO9EdTDpliGAD6U

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On a similar theme but different ethnicity, here is the story of a 7,500 year old Woman from Gibraltar - story - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/magazine/2020/05-06/face-7500-year-old-woman-reveals-gibraltar-earliest-humans/?fbclid=IwAR1PUKas_FAu7-qbfYD_zpGboz3Ex4VyJ8MR8uorxkWxynLqh6sVZVAFrNE


The image grabbed ...
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And the modern image of a well known TV Journalist in Australia. Born in USA of Iranian Parents, returned to Iran as a baby then the family emigrated to Australia when she turned 8.

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Story of Rita Panahi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Panahi

villandra
10-02-2020, 09:00 PM
I had no Denisovan ancestors. The people of southeast Asia did.