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DeVerbno
10-23-2019, 05:19 PM
Hello!
It can already be seen that the “northern” cluster E-BY4526 has formed in the group E-CTS9320 on FTDNA Block Tree. It looks like we have a branch that separated from CTS9320, somewhere closer to Northern Europe
Tell your opinion on the possibility of such events

E-BY4526 includes:

E-S10743 (Hungary and the unknown)
E-BY4540 (Sweden and the unknown)
E-BY34308 (two Germany and the unknown)
E-BY4543 (two France)
E-BY4523 (Sweden and Bulgaria)
E-BY4529 (Sweden)
E-BY4557, E-BY4551 (three Poland-Russia)
E-BY4526* (Sweden)

Total 16 participants

At the next recount of the Yfull tree, the administration promised to add BY4526 on the Yfull tree, which may lead to a recount of TMRCA

In the part of Sweden at Yfull I definitely see only 2 people and I don’t know how the rest are represented.
If someone E-BY4526 is reading this thread, please post the data to Yfull
It will be interesting

Laszczynski (Polish-Russian cluster)

DeVerbno
10-25-2019, 08:38 AM
In addition, it should be noted that in Russia there is E-V13 associated with Scandinavian expansion

1. Yaroslav Osmomysl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Osmomysl
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=10710.0

2. Viceroy, leader of the Scandinavian-Slavic squad (Krivichs, Kryvichs, Kryvičư) of a settlement in Bolshevo (tumulus (kurgan) fields 11-12 century), where there was a transit point on Klyazma
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,1114.msg464279.html#msg464279

Johane Derite
10-25-2019, 02:26 PM
In addition, it should be noted that in Russia there is E-V13 associated with Scandinavian expansion

1. Yaroslav Osmomysl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Osmomysl
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=10710.0

2. Viceroy, leader of the Scandinavian-Slavic squad (Krivichs, Kryvichs, Kryvičư) of a settlement in Bolshevo (tumulus (kurgan) fields 11-12 century), where there was a transit point on Klyazma
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,1114.msg464279.html#msg464279

Interesting. Is it true that EV13 is the only clade that is common to all IE speaking groups?

DeVerbno
10-25-2019, 03:14 PM
I think another part of E-V22 spoke IE languages, but E-V13 arose and began expansion already in Europe and they IE

LostJaworski
05-20-2021, 05:08 PM
Hello DeVerbno,

I was contacted a couple months ago about my Jaworski ancestry. An autosomal match referred me to this family tree regarding my Paternal Y-DNA ancestry.

http://bogdan-yavorskij.ru/yavorskie-gerba-sas-9?fbclid=IwAR3HkLWA_vB3d_-jkYXqrxw1ZhhnPfkA-F7gF3ExsonkVpQoDBq_L82NmFI

My father Jaworski took the Y DNA test afterwards, DNA kit IN97977:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/POL-LITHNOBILITY?iframe=yresults

My autosomal match claims that I am in the subclade E-CTS9320 and that the surnames at this level are Laszczynski and Mozarowski. I'm new at this but I was wondering what your opinion is on this. I am aware the Y-DNA test I took doesn't test for E-CTS9320.

DeVerbno
05-20-2021, 08:49 PM
Hi, LostJaworski!
I see you in the project
This is very interesting and important!
Tomorrow I will compare our haplotypes, try to understand the distance between us
I see that the Jaworski come from the Sas coat of arms, and this is normal when there are different subclades among the coat of arms, as well as among the same surname
Please join this project
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/sas-y-dna/dna-results

DeVerbno
05-21-2021, 09:30 AM
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/POL-LITHNOBILITY?iframe=yresults

We're very close
Comparing with my haplotype, I see 5 differences
DYS385 I have 16-18
DYS449 I have 32
DYS464 I have 14-16-16-17
DYS456 I have 17
DYS570 I have 20
And with my 4th cousine 4 differences, DYS570 he also has 21

Compared with Mozharovski, also 5 steps
DYS19 at Theodore 14
DYS385 at Theodore 16-18, like mine
DYS449 Theodore has 32 like mine
DYS464 at Theodore 15-16-16-17
DYS456 at Theodore 17 just like mine

Bane
05-22-2021, 12:40 PM
Hi DeVerbno,
If you are interested you could join this project: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-cts9320

DeVerbno
05-23-2021, 05:46 AM
I am in a group, but it has not been updated for a long time

Bane
05-23-2021, 07:20 AM
I am in a group, but it has not been updated for a long time

I apologize but I don't understand. What has not been updated?
(also I don't notice any BY4526+ Russians in the group)

DeVerbno
05-23-2021, 11:08 AM
There are already several separate clusters under BY4526+
The Russians in the group are me, my father, my distant brother. Ukrainian Mozharovsky
But we are not indicating the location according to the current place of residence?

Bane
05-23-2021, 11:28 AM
There are already several separate clusters under BY4526+
The Russians in the group are me, my father, my distant brother. Ukrainian Mozharovsky
But we are not indicating the location according to the current place of residence?


Now I understand. Thanks. I've updated the BY4526+/Z37530+ group. Further suggestions are welcome.

DeVerbno
05-23-2021, 11:51 AM
Thanks! ��

BukeKrypEZemer
05-25-2021, 09:24 AM
Lets fill the thread with life!
The clade is currently divided in three subclades - E-BY4529; E-BY4552; E-S10743

E-BY4529 has following split according to FTDNA:
44795

According to YFull, the TMRCA is around 3100 ybp. We see density of the clade in the Balkans, Central Europe, and Scandinavia.

BukeKrypEZemer
05-25-2021, 09:29 AM
Moreover we have E-BY4552:

44796

Here, we have a Eastern Europe density that is pretty considerable. The Polish people have a common ancestor according to Yfull around 425 ybp, the whole TMRCA is 475 ybp (including the sample from Ukraine). This clade was formed 3100 ybp.

BukeKrypEZemer
05-25-2021, 10:19 AM
The other subclade is E-S10743:

44800

On Yfull, there is addtionally a sample E-S10743* from South of Albania. In this group there is also another guy from South Albania, not listed in the tree, with Vlach origin.

44801

Time of the MRCA is 3100 ybp as well, the question is there the sample from Austria in FTDNA would end up. Northern Balkans looks as possible origin point, this might explain the spread... However, if there are things to be added, considered, feel free.

LostJaworski
05-29-2021, 09:56 PM
Hi DeVebno,

I attempted to join the Sas project that you suggested shortly after receiving my Y-DNA results however my admission is still pending. I will email the administrator with my request to join again. I'm glad that you see the connection to our Y-DNA relationship. I don't have the technical understanding myself to understand the connection but will try to learn.

DeVerbno
05-31-2021, 09:44 AM
Excellent! Let's wait for the project administrator. But you need to start thinking about ordering BigY)
Thank you!

DeVerbno
05-31-2021, 09:50 AM
Now I understand. Thanks. I've updated the BY4526+/Z37530+ group. Further suggestions are welcome.
Hello!
You can see the mail of all members of E-BY4526
Could you please write to them to download their VCF files (free) and upload them for interpretation to Yfull for $50?

LostJaworski
06-03-2021, 02:50 PM
Excellent! Let's wait for the project administrator. But you need to start thinking about ordering BigY)
Thank you!

I can't afford it right now but I am a bit curious. The Y-DNA test my father took only produced one match. A man in France who did not know his paternal Grandfather. I'm hoping with time I will have at least 1 more match on my Y-DNA kit.

Is this the the Mozhayski branch that is a distant clade from my Jaworski branch?

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mozhayski/genealogy/teksty/genmoz.html

and the main site:

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mozhayski/genealogy/?fbclid=IwAR2rE7vSX2JW9zYl0Y2fAm0dpGPWl22k1IyqHlzb Z0JYc-gLZPzjHhibjC0


Also, do you have any distant Laszczynski family tree or information that you could share?

DeVerbno
06-03-2021, 04:46 PM
I have a tree on myheritage and a forum thread on molgen (in Russian). But there you can write in English, we will understand)
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=6242.0

LostJaworski
06-04-2021, 07:43 PM
Very interesting read, I was unable to join this forum due to the question regarding Charles Darwin's birthday. Is the answer not "1809"? That was the one criteria blocking me from joining

DeVerbno
06-06-2021, 01:18 PM
1809 is correct. Can you try again? There may be another question

LostJaworski
06-16-2021, 04:43 PM
The question to the forum changed to asking about the battle of Kulikovo and I successfully registered. I posted in your thread, restating what was posted here

DeVerbno
06-17-2021, 05:53 AM
Thank you! I already answered in your forum thread)

Hazmatnik
06-22-2021, 11:03 PM
Current situation under E-Y20805.
Since Greek guy didnt want to go to YFull, and he is + for E-BY4573 but not E-BY4570 i made some adjustments to graphic, used subbranch FTDNA put Bulgarian into, but YFULL new age estimates. Also added family legends of people i'm familiar with. With every new update, TMRCA for 20805 is going up, which is interesting. One of my suspect is some relation with Scandinavian bronze age, somehow, but there are still too few samples to make any conclusion. Whatever happened after, i try to look at E-CTS9320 story first.

45259

BukeKrypEZemer
07-22-2021, 01:02 PM
A new guy appeared on level E-Y20805* (Yfull). He did not set nationality, anyone an idea how we can get to know this? He does not answer on private messages so far.
Moreover, a guy from Bosnia did E-V13 Panel. Last status is E-Y20805*.

BukeKrypEZemer
07-28-2021, 04:18 PM
Update: the guy is from US with paternal ancestry from Abruzzo in Italy..!

Hazmatnik
09-08-2021, 03:35 PM
Looks like Swede and Italian will form new subclade E-BY4543.

Italian more precise origins are from Chieti.

Unlike other 4526 subclades, we only have people south of the Danube and Scandinavians for now.

BukeKrypEZemer
09-09-2021, 07:23 AM
Moreover, test from a Bosnian guy from Sarajevo will be soon in progress. His E-V13 Panel in YSEQ placed him E-Y20805*.