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David
08-24-2012, 11:27 PM
The R-L21 WTY Summary (http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf) table has been updated.

No new WTY results, but la carte SNP results were updated as were "MikeW" variety labels.

There are eight L21+ WTY tests pending; we should see results for kit 91704 (R-M222) within the next two weeks.

Questions or comments welcome.

Regards,
david

David
08-28-2012, 07:03 PM
The R-L21 WTY Summary (http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf) table has been updated.

Results were added for kit 91704 (Kelly, R-M222), no new SNPs found.

There are seven L21+ WTY tests pending. Next up appears to be kit N44383 (Tate, R-DF13, Scots Modal), perhaps in 2-3 weeks.

Regards,
david

MJost
08-29-2012, 04:25 AM
The R-L21 WTY Summary (http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf) table has been updated.

Results were added for kit 91704 (Kelly, R-M222), no new SNPs found.

There are seven L21+ WTY tests pending. Next up appears to be kit N44383 (Tate, R-DF13, Scots Modal), perhaps in 2-3 weeks.

Regards,
david

Its a surprise that there are so many L21 WTY's in progress and specifically the Scot since its been a big lull in testing. Still exciting though since I am DF13**

MJost

Magnus_Eunson
09-06-2012, 12:25 AM
Thats good news! Let me know when Tate's results come in....they are one of my closest matches other than other Orkney Eunson's. Sure would like to get some good news concerning the Scots Modal peeps.
Cheers
Eunson

MJost
09-06-2012, 12:49 AM
I posted a new Scots Fluxus that I have in the PDF with the words Right Side Scots amoung the other PDF using only DF13* that doesnt have any subclades included.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb2fORNRUxrZm1mT1VGanM/edit?pli=1


MJost

Magnus_Eunson
09-06-2012, 02:24 AM
Hey brother,

I had some issues bringing it up. Do I have to log on to google?

Cheers
Eunson

MJost
09-06-2012, 12:47 PM
This folder and contents are public and do not require a log in to view. Here is the direct link to the Scots PDF try it and let me know if you have the same issue.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb2fORNRUxrZm1mT1VGanM/edit

MJost

Magnus_Eunson
09-06-2012, 02:22 PM
Nice job brother. Very interesting!

MJost
09-06-2012, 03:06 PM
Nice job brother. Very intoueresting!

Thank you. Here is what I also noted when I created this Fluxus run when I only used DF13 xSubclades xpredicted which allow the tree to build with out convergence from the other Subclades.

Description : I have pulled the DF13 XSubclades & XPredicted Subclades and some pre (DF49>DF23>M222)
branches. You can download and then Rotate the PDF image 90 degress for a better view or
just print it out. Screen zoom allows better viewing. I have been working on the
Left side view of the remaining DF13 xSubs.

Note there are two other section branches shown on page three and four which
have the following varieties shown. (I am 148326-1130-A-1 variety)

From node m479: 2223, 1214, 1130-A-1, 144-1399(missed removing these guys but
this was interesting though), 2323, 2510, 141410.

From Node m331: 1212, 1424, 1609, 1222, 711, 1024, 45510, 2217-B and 101922.

The last PDF page show the entire main right branch as plotted.

I uses the 30 year generation when I calculated the years between mutations from
MarkoH's newest rates.

CumRates% RatePerEvent #ofTransmissionsPerMutationAtMutation Rate
PerSTRMutation(BE) PerMutatationAt25yrGen PerMutatationAt30yrGen
0.172844 0.002580 388 5.8 145 174

MJost

MJost
09-06-2012, 03:15 PM
The Varieties can be seen in the MikeW L21 spreadsheet

Haplotype Data for R-L21
All confirmed & suspected R-L21 haplotypes with all subclades including M222, DF49, L513, DF21, Z253, Z255, L226, etc. This is on the AllHts tab. The data comes from public FTDNA project pages, Ysearch, some from posters blogging the latest results. The 111 STR haplotypes are on the ExtHts tab. Informational Clades/Varieties, Rates and Locations tab/worksheets are also included. - M.W. [file is in MS Excel 2010 .xlsm format, can be read by OpenOffice]
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Haplotypes.zip

MJost

MJost
09-06-2012, 03:16 PM
Haplogroup Tree Descendancy Chart for R-L21
Draft Y DNA Tree for R-L21 including latest SNP's based on ISOGG, FTDNA's working draft and citizen-scientist human genome project research - M.W.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Descendancy_Tree.jpg

Magnus_Eunson
09-06-2012, 08:36 PM
Since I have been out of the loop, there has been quite a number of new SNP's discovered and from the links you have provided they have been categorized. That is excellent news! I can only hope that a new SNP for the Scots Modal group is found in the WTY analysis, currently being conducted with one of our own 'Tate'. There is a large group of us 1030A-24 Scots Modal individuals and our success at finding a new SNP has been disappointing. However, I remain optimistic. Since there is such a large table of results for the Scots Modal individuals, has anyone attempted to date the Scots Modal or has anyone, other than Dr. Jim Wilson, came up with an approximate time frame?
Cheers
Eunson

David
09-07-2012, 09:09 AM
The R-L21 WTY Summary (http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf) table has been updated.

No new WTY results, but la carte SNP results were updated as were "MikeW" variety labels.

There are still seven L21+ WTY tests pending; hopefully we will see results for N44383 (Tate, R-DF13**, Scots Modal) by the end of next week.

Regards,
david

Magnus_Eunson
09-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Thanks for the update David! My fingers are crossed!
Cheers

David
09-13-2012, 11:20 AM
The R-L21 WTY Summary (http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf) table has been updated.

Results are available for N44383 (Tate, R-DF13**, Scots Modal), coverage 411312bp. No new SNPs were found.

There are six L21+ WTY tests pending; next up will likely be kit 6879 (Mangum, probable R-Z253, 253-1711-M) in about 3-4 weeks.

la carte SNP results and "MikeW" variety labels were also updated.

Regards,
david

Magnus_Eunson
09-13-2012, 05:22 PM
Well, thats some disappointing news for us Scots Modal individuals. Thank you for the update David!
Cheers
Eunson

MJost
09-13-2012, 07:33 PM
I think the R-DF13** guys are going to have to have all new Y areas explored.

MJost

David
09-15-2012, 02:50 AM
There are seven R-L21 and R-DF13 results that are probably R-DF13**, but are missing required test results. The required missing tests were relatively easy to miss in the large table of all results, so I have excerpted the kits and missing SNPs into a separate file.

http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21-Ambiguous.pdf

Regards,
david

David
09-29-2012, 10:23 PM
Two additional kits were just added to the WTY queue with an "arrived" date of 28 Sep.

One is an R-L2 kit, the other is kit 163654 (Killgore), R-DF21 and a member of
the 21-5909-LS Little Scots Cluster. This is the first WTY for the Little Scots
Cluster, and it will be very interesting to see whether any of the six "S" SNPs
that Jim Wilson found for this cluster will be independently found via WTY. The
backlog of WTY tests has thinned out, and there are just 13 in the queue in
front of this one, so hopefully we'll see the results in 2-3 months.

There are seven L21+ kits that are currently waiting in the WTY queue.

Next up in the WTY queue should be kit 6879 (Mangum), R-Z253, and with any luck
we should see the results next week.

Regards,
david

David
10-03-2012, 06:37 AM
The R-L21 WTY Summary (http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf) table has been updated.

Due to additional la carte testing by kits 170191 (Bond) and 24273 (Unknown), they were moved from the R-DF13 section to the R-DF13* section.

Results are available for kit 6879 (Mangum, variety 253-1711-M), coverage was 427148 bp. Relevant SNPs are: Z253+ L1308+ L226- L554- Z2184- L894- L895-

As suspected, L1066, Z2183 and Z2185 were not tested.

L1308 is new, and found using the L490 primers. I looked at the data for previous Z253+ WTYs, and once db updates are complete, I will be able confirm that kit 120936 (Merry) is L1308-. The other three Z253+ WTY results were not tested with the L490 primer, thus will not be able to call L1308 for them.

There are currently six more L21+ kits in the WTY queue. Next up should be N45540 (Peel, variety 13-1511A-T2-D), likely in 1-2 weeks and 173877 (Collins, variety 13-unassigned), likely in 2-3 weeks.

Regards,
david

David
10-03-2012, 07:02 AM
There are seven R-L21 and R-DF13 results that are probably R-DF13**, but are missing required test results. The required missing tests were relatively easy to miss in the large table of all results, so I have excerpted the kits and missing SNPs into a separate file.

http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21-Ambiguous.pdf

This table was updated, as due to additional la carte testing by kits 170191 (Bond) and 24273 (Unknown) they are now classified as R-DF13* and removed from the table.

Regards,
david

LesTate
11-26-2012, 01:59 AM
Magnus, Les Tate here. A new SNP was identified in my WTY results a couple of days ago, but which had not been previously reported because it was a bit faint on the chromatogram. The machine reading the results didn't pick it up, however it was read manually by David Reynolds and Dr. Thomas Krahn of FTDNA. L1335 was found and, according the R-L21 experts, may be the defining SNP for the Scots Modal.

MJost
11-26-2012, 05:51 PM
L1334 and L1335 are now available for order.

MJost

MikeWhalen
11-27-2012, 08:49 PM
not sure if this is the right thread, but I just ordered the L1333 snp to see if its found in the L513+ Group V bunch

thanks Mike Wdna for the advice

Mike

Magnus_Eunson
12-04-2012, 10:09 PM
Hey LesTate
Thanks for the info! I will order this new SNP test L1335 asap.

Cheers
Eunson

Magnus_Eunson
12-13-2012, 12:20 AM
Just ordered L1335, I also spoke with Dr. Jim Wilson, this is very exciting for the Scots Modal people. I and many others are thrilled!
Cheers
Eunson

Magnus_Eunson
12-21-2012, 03:16 PM
My results just came in L1335+ so now the question is how far outside the Scots Modal does this particular SNP reside. What do we have for current results? Is it heavily skewed towards the us Scots Modal individuals?
Cheers
Eunson