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SUPREEEEEME
11-02-2019, 04:51 PM
Just thought that I should post everything that I know about Jews and J-L70 in a thread for anyone who is interested.

Based off the data of jewishdna.net, around 11%-12% of all Ashkenazi J2s belong to J-L70. This makes it the third largest J2 subclade amongst Ashkenazi Jews – behind J-L556 (~37%) and J-L210 (~19%) – and the largest subclade under J-L24. Downstream of J-L70, Ashkenazi Jews typically belong to PF5456 (CTS36061) or P244.2.

J-L70 also appears to have a somewhat large Sephardic Jewish presence. Based on the data from the FTDNA J-L24 Group, there are Sephardic Jews from the Balkans (Bulgaria), Spain and Portugal as well as Crypto-Jews from the New World who belong to J-L70. I even came across an individual who originally believed his paternal line was Italian, only to discover that it was actually Jewish - perhaps his lineage is Italqi or maybe Sephardi?

Additionally, J-L70 (subclade: J-M318) has been found amongst Libyan Jews at a frequency of 5%. Similarly, J-L70 (J-M318) has been found amongst the Djerban Cohanim (priests). What’s interesting about these Cohanim, is that they are the direct descendants of the priests of the first Beit HaMikdash (Jewish/Israelite Temple).

A Romaniote (Greek Jew) has also been found to belong to J-L70. It also appears (to me) that a Lebanese Jew might belong to J-L70 (due to the Hebrew name in the Lebanon-Syria DNA Project). On jewishdna.net, there is also a Mizrahi sample that is believed to belong to J-L70.

Additionally, around 53% of the P244.2 (downstream of L70) samples from jewishdna.net were Cohanim and J-L70 is also present in the Zadokite Cohanim DNA Project.

However, I noticed that Eupedia believes that J-L70 is Italic in origin? Surely this does not apply to Jews, whose paternal lineages are from the Levant - and further supported by the Cohen presence?

Although, I have come across individuals who are certain that it's from the Levant/Southern Anatolia:

“it did spread early to Turkey and the Levant where subclades Z387 and L70 (distinguished in part by DYS 391=9) likely arose” (http://m172.blogspot.com/)

“Kamel Al Gazzah indicated that PF4888/PF5401 has an Ashkenazi component while F3133 a Sephardi component. However, interestingly, we observe that the Z387 clade has both Ashkenazi and Sephardi components” (http://the-j2-l24-clade.blogspot.com/)

“In fact when I check the published 9 marker haplotypes (6 out 86 random samples in Apulia are L24(M530)) 3 of them (50%) are very clear J-L70 haplotypes and J-L70 appears to have it's origin in Southern Turkey or Northern Syria about 3000 to 4000 years ago (my own estimate)” (http://the-j2-l24-clade.blogspot.com)

Additionally, I found this off Eupedia:

“Deeper subclades were not tested, but according to the FTDNA Project, J2a1h2a1-L70 appears to be the most common subclade in Lebanon.” (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28934.html)
I wonder if this statement is still true?

It seems J-L70s highest frequency is in Southern Anatolia at around 12% (Underhill King data)

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/j-l24-y-dna/about
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/j2-arab/about/background
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/IberianSurnamesofAshkenaz?iframe=yresults
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Lebanon-Syria-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
https://jewishdna.net/AB-506.html
https://jewishdna.net/Ashkenazi-Cohen.html
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/cohenbrazil/about/background

StillWater
11-03-2019, 11:22 PM
Eupedia has been garbage for a while. It labels J-Z467 as European. It also lists Eastern Europeans for one of the populations associated with HV1b2, but all the Eastern Europeans with it descend from Jews.

JoeyP37
11-04-2019, 12:49 AM
Most J2 is Levantine or Anatolian in origin. I don't know if you could call any J2 Italic; I think most of the J2 in Italy came from Greek colonization or Illyrians in the Roman soldiery. The neat thing about Jewish DNA studies is that-especially with the bottleneck with the Ashkenazim-there are many dedicated clades where you can be almost certain that the person is a Jew or has an unknown Jewish male-line ancestor (which I know is irrelevant in Jewish law, where it goes through the female line; this is more difficult for most people but at least I know mine-my female line origin is Ireland, and there are several Jewish-specific mtdna clades)

AbdoNumen
11-04-2019, 03:05 AM
J-L70 has also been found among an Azerbaijani Jew and Bukharan Jews. No SNP tests have been done yet as far as I know.
Haven't seen any convincing evidence to suggest it being an "Italic" branch. It seems more prevalent in the Near East, found among Armenians and Turks in particular.

SUPREEEEEME
11-04-2019, 05:08 AM
J-L70 has also been found among an Azerbaijani Jew and Bukharan Jews. No SNP tests have been done yet as far as I know.
Haven't seen any convincing evidence to suggest it being an "Italic" branch. It seems more prevalent in the Near East, found among Armenians and Turks in particular.

Do you have any links pertaining to the Azerbaijani and Bukharan Jews? That's very interesting.

ddugas
11-13-2019, 06:30 PM
Europedia is really outdated. Some of the info on their J2 page is very old and off the mark.

The paragraph text in Europedia hypothesizing J-Z435 being a roman marker of "italic" origin is especially off the mark given observations of PF5456 and M318 etc...

L70 is levantine and many of the subclades are too, certainly PF5456 and I would hazard a guess that it was a component of ancient israelites and other neighbouring populations in the levant.

SUPREEEEEME
02-21-2020, 07:01 PM
An update of sorts:
- A Tunisian Jew has been found to be J-PF5456
- An individual of Sephardic roots from Morocco and Spain is J-PF5456

StillWater
02-22-2020, 02:12 PM
An update of sorts:
- A Tunisian Jew has been found to be J-PF5456
- An individual of Sephardic roots from Morocco and Spain is J-PF5456

jewishdna.net lists someone from Afghanistan under PF5456, but I can't find him. Can you?

SUPREEEEEME
02-22-2020, 02:22 PM
jewishdna.net lists someone from Afghanistan under PF5456, but I can't find him. Can you?

I have seen that but I'm not sure where they got it from. I certainly can't find him.

SUPREEEEEME
03-01-2020, 02:04 PM
Update 2: I found a Palestinian on YouTube who belongs to J-L70.

SUPREEEEEME
03-21-2020, 05:13 PM
Update: Thanks to the work of StillWater, we now know that J-L70 is present in Mountain Jews.

Ilgar
04-26-2020, 01:01 PM
We have new big y J-Z44439 Azerbaijani from Georgia and most probably had Anatolian ancestors.

SUPREEEEEME
04-27-2020, 05:50 AM
Forgot to add: we've found Moroccan Jews with J-L70

SUPREEEEEME
05-13-2020, 08:00 AM
UPDATE:
I got someone who is half Tunisian Jewish-half Bukharan Jewish to search his DNA matches, this is what we found:
- 38 Bukharan Jewish J-L70s
- 8 Tunisian Jewish J-L70s
- 2 Algerian Jewish J-L70s (siblings)

This confirms J-L70s presence in Algerian Jews

07-05-2020, 12:13 PM
My name is Hans J Vos.
I ' m a new member of Anthrogenica.
My fathers Y DNA is J-L70, J-M318, J-BY96345.
I share this haplogroup a.o. with Cohanim from Djerba Tunesia.
This dna was also found on Malta and Sicily andin the Southern part of Italy.
I hope to get more information about this haplogroup through Anthtogenica.

Kind regards,
Hans J. Vos.
The Hague, The Netherlands.

SUPREEEEEME
07-05-2020, 05:12 PM
My name is Hans J Vos.
I ' m a new member of Anthrogenica.
My fathers Y DNA is J-L70, J-M318, J-BY96345.
I share this haplogroup a.o. with Cohanim from Djerba Tunesia.
This dna was also found on Malta and Sicily andin the Southern part of Italy.
I hope to get more information about this haplogroup through Anthtogenica.

Kind regards,
Hans J. Vos.
The Hague, The Netherlands.

You might be able to find some useful information on my other thread:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19736-J-L70-Presence-in-the-Middle-East-North-Africa

SUPREEEEEME
08-27-2020, 08:09 AM
JewishDNA.net have identified between 6 and 10 Jewish J-L70 branches. This is what they say about them:

"L70 has several significant STR-mutations in the yfull period 6600-3700 ybp (DYS19=15, DYS391=9, DYS388=16, DYS437=14, Y-GATA-H4=11, DYS442=12), DYS458=14 mutated at the period of marker Z2148 (3400 ybp, yfull). This means that the 10 branches are likely well defined. Their distances between each other are significant, so likely real branches."

Additionally, the Romaniote J-L70 appears to be J-L70 > J-Z40772. Perhaps J-Z40772*.
A Sephardic Jew also appears to be J-L70 > J-Z40772.

The two don't match each other. In light of this, we can already identify several Jewish branches under some of J-L70's subclades:
- Ashkenazi Jewish J-PH2725*
- Ashkenazi Jewish J-FGC21085
- Eastern Sephardic J-FGC21085 (could be the same as the Ashkenazi branch)
- Romaniote Jewish J-Z40772
- Western Sephardic J-Z40772
- Djerban Cohanim J-M318
- Libyan Jewish J-M318 (not sure if the same as Djerban Cohanim)
- Italian Converso J-PH185

There are still several groups we don't know branches of: Bukharan Jews and Mountain Jews (Y37 match), Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, New World Conversos.
There are Tunisian Jews under J-PF5456
There are Sephardic Jews with roots in Spain and Morocco under J-PF5456