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Muslim-Arbegna
11-06-2019, 07:11 PM
Did it exist in its purest form, or was it a collection of coastal languages and Arabic merging?

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
11-06-2019, 09:09 PM
Did it exist in its purest form, or was it a collection of coastal languages and Arabic merging?

Before Swahili became creolized with Arabic, Hindi, Persian and a little Portuguese words the Kiswahili language was purely Bantu.

The Swahili people were named Swahili by the Arabs or Sahil in Arabic which means coastal dwellers. Swahili is just a Bantunized word for Sahil. Before we were given the name Swahili people we were called the Wangozi who are a Bantu people.

The Ngozi Bantu language is very similar to the Mijikenda languages such as Digo, Giriama for example and to a lesser extent similar to the Pokomo language so I think it's under the category of the Bantu/North East Coast/ Sabaki language family.

Currently in Kiswahili we call fish Samaki which is from the Arabic word samak but before the Arabs influenced our language Samaki used to be
called Isii, seven which is Saba used to be fungate.

So yes our language was 100% Bantu before we started trading and interacting with the Arabs, Persians and Indians we were the tribal Bantu group called Ngozi
before we were given the name Swahili (Sahil) by Ibn Battuta

The majority of Kiswahili words are mostly Bantu anyway only a few are borrowed from other languages it's kind of like how the English language has a little bit of French In it.

VytautusofAukstaitija
11-07-2019, 12:09 AM
proto-Ethiosemitic was a creolized language that resulted from a merger of a central Erythrean/Cushitic and west Semitic language.

Muslim-Arbegna
11-07-2019, 01:56 AM
proto-Ethiosemitic was a creolized language that resulted from a merger of a central Erythrean/Cushitic and west Semitic language.

Uh, No. some modern Ethiosemitic languages may have a strong Erythrean elements to it, but not Proto-Ethosemitic, it's highly misguiding to say that it's a marger of C Ery/W semitic, because Ethopic is its own branch, some say that some Ethiosemitic languages are divergent branch of Semitic language after Eastern Semitic (Akkadian?). it's not creolized, just diversified.

VytautusofAukstaitija
11-07-2019, 02:39 AM
Uh, No. some modern Ethiosemitic languages may have a strong Erythrean elements to it, but not Proto-Ethosemitic, it's highly misguiding to say that it's a marger of C Ery/W semitic, because Ethopic is its own branch, some say that some Ethiosemitic languages are divergent branch of Semitic language after Eastern Semitic (Akkadian?). it's not creolized, just diversified.

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VytautusofAukstaitija
11-07-2019, 03:01 AM
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NetNomad
11-07-2019, 09:32 PM
proto-Ethiosemitic was a creolized language that resulted from a merger of a central Erythrean/Cushitic and west Semitic language.

Uh, No. some modern Ethiosemitic languages may have a strong Erythrean elements to it, but not Proto-Ethosemitic, it's highly misguiding to say that it's a marger of C Ery/W semitic, because Ethopic is its own branch, some say that some Ethiosemitic languages are divergent branch of Semitic language after Eastern Semitic (Akkadian?). it's not creolized, just diversified.

Erythraeic is another word for Afro-Asiatic. You guys aren't using the term correctly. It doesn't mean Cushitic.

pgbk87
11-07-2019, 10:51 PM
Swahili is NOT a creole language like Haitian Creole, Jamaican Patois, Seychelles Creole etc.. are. Not even close.

Creoles derive from Pidgin languages. Nigerian Pidgin English and related Pidgin languages from west Africa, formed the basis for Belizean Creole, Jamaican Patois, etc... There is no equivalent to a Pidgin language in East Africa.

The syntax, grammar and overwhelming majority of the lexicon in Swahili is purely Northern Bantoid in nature. The loanwords (borrowed lexicon) that exist in Swahili derive primarily from formerly unknown concepts, goods and technologies.