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italianguy
11-10-2019, 06:22 AM
The only thing I can say to these DNA.Land results is- HUH!?!!

My mother and I get drastically different results, unlike with 23andMe where the ancestry admixture basically corresponds the way you would expect between a mother and son.

My 23andMe results (These are going to be hard to read because of how much I have to zoom out to catch everything. Sorry)

34480

My mother's 23andMe results:

34481

My DNA.Land results

34482

My mother's DNA.Land results

34483

This makes me question the accuracy of DNA.Land. I can't even begin to imagine how the calculator came up with such different results. One, my Mediterranean Islander should be MUCH higher given my mother is half-Sicilian. So, the amount of Mediterranean Islander DNA.Land assigns to her makes perfect sense, but for me it's nonsense. (Also, why is Mediterranean Islander included as a subgroup of Ashkenazi/Levantine for me but not for my mother? How does that make sense?)

Given that my mother has 6.8% MENA DNA according to 23andMe, I would also think her Arab/Egyptian should be much higher, whereas on DNA.Land it's actually lower than mine (non-existent, in fact), and my father's family comes from Central and Northern Europe.

The Finnish and Ashkenazi don't make much sense to me as 23andMe has never found any of either of them, though I would suspect that if I do have Ashkenazi it would come from my father's side, as his known ancestry comes mostly from Czechia and Germany with some English, and Ashkenazim are an Eastern European group. That would explain why it would show up in me but not in my mother. As far as Finnish goes, though, the known ancestry I just mentioned for my father makes a percentage as high as 12% just plain weird.

The Kalash is a total curve ball. That just seems way off, but with it being 3.5% and 2.2% for my mother and I respectively, maybe it's just meaningless noise.

konian lusitanum
11-15-2019, 08:54 AM
23 and me is prone to the side of pleasing people and not reveal DNA that they don't wanna be associated with , as you know humans come from Africa all of us do have african on it ones more others less ,distance does have a play in our DNA, do some more testing with other companies like heritage , living DNA , i did and i can compare a lot for me the most accurate one was heritage they will tell you only what you got

daragon39
11-16-2019, 12:34 PM
23 and me is prone to the side of pleasing people and not reveal DNA that they don't wanna be associated with , as you know humans come from Africa all of us do have african on it ones more others less ,distance does have a play in our DNA, do some more testing with other companies like heritage , living DNA , i did and i can compare a lot for me the most accurate one was heritage they will tell you only what you got

That theory has not been substantiated or proven as of yet. In fact older fossils are starting to be found in other places which is challenging the out of Africa theory.

pmokeefe
11-16-2019, 12:45 PM
That theory has not been substantiated or proven as of yet. In fact older fossils are starting to be found in other places which is challenging the out of Africa theory.

Can you point us to recent scientific publications which challenge the out of Africa theory?

Sikeliot
11-16-2019, 12:50 PM
This makes me question the accuracy of DNA.Land. I can't even begin to imagine how the calculator came up with such different results. One, my Mediterranean Islander should be MUCH higher given my mother is half-Sicilian. So, the amount of Mediterranean Islander DNA.Land assigns to her makes perfect sense, but for me it's nonsense. (Also, why is Mediterranean Islander included as a subgroup of Ashkenazi/Levantine for me but not for my mother? How does that make sense?)


Where is her Sicilian side from?

DNA.land can be a bit wonky with the results. I would not trust it.

daragon39
11-16-2019, 01:40 PM
Can you point us to recent scientific publications which challenge the out of Africa theory?

Here is 1 of several. If you want more reading just search "Out of Africa theory challenged."
https://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

pmokeefe
11-16-2019, 03:47 PM
Here is 1 of several. If you want more reading just search "Out of Africa theory challenged."
https://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

That paper was published in "Advances in Anthropology" published by Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) which seems to have a poor reputation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing.
The first author, Anatole A. Klyosov has an article in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov which claims:

In 2008 he began publishing work about what he calls "DNA genealogy" that has been dismissed as pseudoscience.

I googled "Out of Africa theory challenged." as you recommended. Here were the first three hits:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMultiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
--- "Out of Africa theory challenged" appeared once, it led to a broken link. Also, that was a Wikipedia Talk Page, not an Article.

2. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t693559-4/
--- Stormfront is a rather controversial website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)

3. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/323657.stm
--- is based on the research of Erik Trinkaus of Washington University, but later on Trinkaus published the following paper

Direct radiocarbon dates for Vindija G1 and Velika Pećina Late Pleistocene hominid remains (https://www.pnas.org/content/96/22/12281.short)

The human frontal bone from Velika Pećina, generally considered one of the earliest representatives of modern humans in Europe, dated to ≈5 ka B.P., rendering it no longer pertinent to discussions of modern human origins.

Any other suggestions for documenting the "Out of Africa theory challenged." thesis?

daragon39
11-16-2019, 04:10 PM
That paper was published in "Advances in Anthropology" published by Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) which seems to have a poor reputation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing.
The first author, Anatole A. Klyosov has an article in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov which claims:

In 2008 he began publishing work about what he calls "DNA genealogy" that has been dismissed as pseudoscience.

I googled "Out of Africa theory challenged." as you recommended. Here were the first three hits:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMultiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
--- "Out of Africa theory challenged" appeared once, it led to a broken link. Also, that was a Wikipedia Talk Page, not an Article.

2. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t693559-4/
--- Stormfront is a rather controversial website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)

3. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/323657.stm
--- is based on the research of Erik Trinkaus of Washington University, but later on Trinkaus published the following paper

Direct radiocarbon dates for Vindija G1 and Velika Pećina Late Pleistocene hominid remains (https://www.pnas.org/content/96/22/12281.short)

The human frontal bone from Velika Pećina, generally considered one of the earliest representatives of modern humans in Europe, dated to ≈5 ka B.P., rendering it no longer pertinent to discussions of modern human origins.

Any other suggestions for documenting the "Out of Africa theory challenged." thesis?

Yeah I don't use google their engine is worthless. Stormfront doesn't even appear on my results. The following link is to a duckduckgo search I did.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=out+of+africa+challenged&t=&ia=web

bejewelled
11-16-2019, 04:17 PM
and Ashkenazi"m are an Eastern European group. "

Ashkenazim are an East Med group who resided in East and Western Europe, not an Eastern European ethnic group. If you have been on this forum long enough you should know that.
Sorry, don't mean to nitpick, but I had to point that out.

pmokeefe
11-16-2019, 04:41 PM
Yeah I don't use google their engine is worthless. Stormfront doesn't even appear on my results. The following link is to a duckduckgo search I did.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=out+of+africa+challenged&t=&ia=web

I did that, the first hit was:
https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283

That article seems to be about about some controversy in Greece about a site which was investigated some years ago. Not sure how relevant that was. The Ancient Origins website seems to be controversial as well. I couldn't find anything very definitive about the website, there is no Wikipedia article about it.

Direct links to recent articles in major scientific publications, or to recent preprints by authors from highly-regarded research institutions about "challenges to the Out of Africa theory" would be appreciated!

daragon39
11-16-2019, 05:25 PM
I did that, the first hit was:
https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283

That article seems to be about about some controversy in Greece about a site which was investigated some years ago. Not sure how relevant that was. The Ancient Origins website seems to be controversial as well. I couldn't find anything very definitive about the website, there is no Wikipedia article about it.

Direct links to recent articles in major scientific publications, or to recent preprints by authors from highly-regarded research institutions about "challenges to the Out of Africa theory" would be appreciated!

Alright, I will get them for you tomorrow since I'll be off of work then.

italianguy
11-19-2019, 11:47 PM
Where is her Sicilian side from?

Her Sicilian comes from different places in Sicily, including Poggioreale in Trapani, Corleone, Lentini and Vallelunga Pratameno.

digital_noise
11-21-2019, 04:53 PM
Alright, I will get them for you tomorrow since I'll be off of work then.

Tomorrow has come and gone ;)

digital_noise
11-21-2019, 04:55 PM
Her Sicilian comes from different places in Sicily, including Poggioreale in Trapani, Corleone, Lentini and Vallelunga Pratameno.

23 and me gives weird results at DNA.Land. You kind of have to read between the lines. South/Central Europe is basicall "Italy". Med. Islander is Sicilians, Calabrians etc... Between 4 uploads at DNA Land, this category has jumped all over the place for me, but the % stays roughly the same , except for the 23 and Me file, which is the outlier.