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italianguy
11-20-2019, 07:17 PM
According to 23andMe, my mother's and my mtDNA haplogroup is T2b. It doesn't specifiy any sub category beyond that. Does that mean that our haplogroup is just an older one that did not experience any mutations like the subsets or is 23andMe just being extremely general?
I can find very little information on this haplogroup, though there is an FTDNA group for it.

emc
11-20-2019, 07:45 PM
I bought Ftdna’s mtDNA full because I didn’t want a generic result... But all they gave me was T2b!

italianguy
11-20-2019, 08:24 PM
I bought Ftdna’s mtDNA full because I didn’t want a generic result... But all they gave me was T2b!

But what does that mean? What type of ancestry does this haplogroup suggest?

Also, were you happy with other aspects of FTDNA's mtDNA Full test? All I've done is an autosomal test with 23andMe and I've been thinking of getting FTDNA's mtDNA Full.

Kristiina
11-20-2019, 08:54 PM
T2b is one of the most widespread and successful Neolithic farmer lineages. Since the Anatolian Neolithic, this line has been found in all major archaeological cultures in Europe, including Starčevo, LBK, Epicardial Neolithic, Cucuteni Tripolye, Vinča, Lengyel, Mickelsberg, TRB, Pitted Ware Gotland, Megalithic cultures, Chalcolithic Spain, Baden, Globular Amphorae, Corded Ware, Bell Beaker, Unetice, Maros, Vatya, Urnfield, Trzciniec, Scythians, Scytho-Siberians, Pazyryk, Longobards, Vikings, Romans etc., etc.

It has many subtypes, but the plain T2b seems also quite common: http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/t2b_genbank_sequences.htm

If you are interested, take a look at this paper focusing on JT: Reconciling evidence from ancient and contemporary genomes: a major source for the European Neolithic within Mediterranean Europe (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378072/)

As supplementary material, there is also a "Maximum-parsimony tree of haplogroup JT and list of samples used".

emc
11-21-2019, 10:55 AM
But what does that mean? What type of ancestry does this haplogroup suggest?

Also, were you happy with other aspects of FTDNA's mtDNA Full test? All I've done is an autosomal test with 23andMe and I've been thinking of getting FTDNA's mtDNA Full.

Well, I chose not to buy mtDNA plus (the cheaper one) because I didn't want to be left in the middle of the way... Turns out they gave me a pretty generic result anyway.

I guess I belong to a clade that has not been defined yet, so I hope I'll receive an update in the future.

GenealogyMike
12-09-2019, 01:53 AM
Hi emc,

You should look into uploading your Full mtDNA result to YFull as they now have a M tree and are accepting mtDNA file uploads for interpretation and placement. For only $25 its worth it. Also, If you have not yet done so, be sure to join the T2b group on FTDNA as they may have some insight also.

https://www.yfull.com/ - Select the mtDNA interpretation option at the bottom.

emc
12-18-2019, 01:38 AM
Hi emc,

You should look into uploading your Full mtDNA result to YFull as they now have a M tree and are accepting mtDNA file uploads for interpretation and placement. For only $25 its worth it. Also, If you have not yet done so, be sure to join the T2b group on FTDNA as they may have some insight also.

https://www.yfull.com/ - Select the mtDNA interpretation option at the bottom.

Hi Mike, somehow I missed your reply. Thank you for the suggestion, I will try that.

Riverman
07-21-2020, 11:30 AM
Hi emc,

You should look into uploading your Full mtDNA result to YFull as they now have a M tree and are accepting mtDNA file uploads for interpretation and placement. For only $25 its worth it. Also, If you have not yet done so, be sure to join the T2b group on FTDNA as they may have some insight also.

https://www.yfull.com/ - Select the mtDNA interpretation option at the bottom.

Do you know something about their tree building? It tells

YFull MTree 1.02.1334 (under construction)

So might they try to assign some so far unknown variants to new clades, like for the yDNA?

razyn
07-21-2020, 08:10 PM
The Viking (female) warrior featured in a recent episode of the "Secrets of the Dead" series on PBS stations (aired 7 July, 2020) was T2b. That program is available to watch online until 5 August. There is more detail about the bones, burial position, weapons etc. than one normally gets in a dry archaeological report -- although her mtDNA is not really discussed. The fact that she was T2b was available from other documentation. https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/viking-warrior-queen-full-film/5276/

GenealogyMike
07-25-2020, 04:34 PM
Do you know something about their tree building? It tells


So might they try to assign some so far unknown variants to new clades, like for the yDNA?

From what I have heard the YFull MTree is being reworked. They had made a bunch of changes when it first came out last year and then they rolled most of them back and are starting over. They had me as T2b24* then put in as T2b24b but then got rid of it and then put me back in as straight T2b24. Will be interesting to see what happens in the future.

Bollox79
07-29-2020, 03:57 PM
I'm T2b2b according to Natgenographic (so I check this part of the forum every once-in-a-while) and ported that over to FTDNA, but yet to have mtDNA done. My most distant maternal ancestor was an O'Dana/O'Deane/O'Danagher from Lorrha and Dorrha parish in Northern Tipperary in O'Kennedy territory in Ireland (Mom/Uncle O'Dwyer get lots of matching with families from around there including those O'Kennedys). At the T2b project - T2b2b appears most common in the Isles (especially Ireland) and Scandinavia - but is that a result of more testing in those areas? Don't know... but I DO know that they found a T2b2b Viking burial in Northern Iceland (see my signature) and of course previously mentioned the Lady from Birka was T2b - also interesting is the kinsman of King Bela (III?) studied in that paper on him - they shared the same Y-DNA and were autosomally related - but his kinsman had T2b2b1 mtDNA - now I am not terribly familiar with mutation rates for mtDNA - but perhaps a 1000 or more years for a change from T2b2b to T2b2b1? Maybe someone can enlighten me... but a bit of research on King Bela's maternal ancestry (and assuming a similarity here his kinsman was buried before him) was of Scandinavian lineage... perhaps a clue?

I am just happy to match a Viking (half Gael/half Norse) in Iceland as there was a rather well known Viking raid through Lorrha/Dorrha in the 800s AD - perhaps a connection ;-)!! "In 843 a Norse expedition led by Turgesius raided Lorrha and neighbouring Terryglass.[4] Close to an historic crossing point of the River Shannon, the area has a long history of bridges and ferry crossings." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorrha

Otherwise my maternal ancestry is Gaelic Irish along with Mom's father's side O'Dwyer and Maguire (of those famous rebel families of Kilnamanagh and Fermanagh mixed via traditional tribal marriages with Scots and Scots Highlanders really all Jacobites!).

Cheers,
Charlie "Cathal Dubh"

Koolmets21
09-05-2020, 04:22 PM
T2b25 here. Ashkenazi Jewish - further line goes into modern day Ternopil Ukraine (At the time Galicia, Tarnopol)