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Sikeliot
11-23-2019, 06:49 PM
Especially wondering here about Sardinia, Corsica, and the Iberian Peninsula. Do we know how much genetic influence, if any, the Phoenicians left in these places?

jstephan
11-23-2019, 11:57 PM
What about Marseilles?, I am sure they had a significant impact there too but I am not aware of any DNA study, great civilization btw

Sikeliot
11-24-2019, 03:11 PM
People did not necessarily like my models in this thread for various reasons but it does hint, to me, that Levantine input can be observed at low levels throughout Iberia, and it does seem to correspond with areas of Phoenician settlement with SOME exceptions. Parts of northeast Spain have Levantine coming up but not North African.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18979-Modeling-of-Iberian-populations-on-Global25-Could-these-be-improved&p=622172&viewfull=1#post622172

There were some regions where North African input did not capture everything and Levantine was required. By using Morocco North instead of Guanche I allowed for the possibility that the Berbers in Iberia had been slightly Arabized, and using Guanches (more "purely" Berber if you will) might inflate the Levantine and I didn't want that.

Ajeje Brazorf
11-24-2019, 03:31 PM
By using Morocco North instead of Guanche I allowed for the possibility that the Berbers in Iberia had been slightly Arabized, and using Guanches (more "purely" Berber if you will) might inflate the Levantine and I didn't want that.

The most representative sample of how Berbers were originally, is in my opinion I4246 (2251 BC) and dates back to the Bronze Age. The Guanche samples have had other influences since then, and they even score Steppes.

Target: Iberia_Central_CA_Afr_I4246
Distance: 3.6471% / 0.03647068
43.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 MAR_Iberomaurusian
14.6 Levant_PPNB
8.8 Dinka
2.4 WHG
1.4 Yoruba

Sikeliot
11-24-2019, 05:03 PM
The most representative sample of how Berbers were originally, is in my opinion I4246 (2251 BC) and dates back to the Bronze Age. The Guanche samples have had other influences since then, and they even score Steppes.

Target: Iberia_Central_CA_Afr_I4246
Distance: 3.6471% / 0.03647068
43.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 MAR_Iberomaurusian
14.6 Levant_PPNB
8.8 Dinka
2.4 WHG
1.4 Yoruba


What influences could the Guanches have received, given their isolation on the Canary Islands? Also, keeping in mind they arrived sometime between 1000 BC to year 0.