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ffoucart
12-04-2019, 01:56 PM
I've been tested positive for K1a29a. It seems to be very rare, and probably from Middle East (5000 years ago).

J1 DYS388=13
12-05-2019, 08:18 AM
One Azeri, one Ashkenazi, and you. That's an unusual dataset.

ffoucart
12-20-2019, 11:12 AM
One Azeri, one Ashkenazi, and you. That's an unusual dataset.

Yes, quite unusual given my lack of Middle Eastern/Caucasian/Jewish ancestry.

My most distant ancestor in female line lived around 1600 in a (then) small town in Haute Loire (Auvergne-Rhone Alpes, SE of France), around 100 km West of Valence. So not very far away from known jewish communities (in late Antiquity and Medieval times).

But difficult to conclude anything without more samples. In any cases, K1a29a is too old to be specific to a single ethnicity.

msmarjoribanks
12-23-2019, 07:10 PM
I've been tested positive for K1a29a. It seems to be very rare, and probably from Middle East (5000 years ago).

Are you the one in the FTDNA K project? There I see one K1a29a with oldest matrilineal ancestor from France, and a K1a29 from Germany.

Logistic
12-23-2019, 07:20 PM
Neolithic haplogroup?

ffoucart
12-24-2019, 06:45 AM
Are you the one in the FTDNA K project? There I see one K1a29a with oldest matrilineal ancestor from France, and a K1a29 from Germany.

Yes, I am.

ffoucart
12-24-2019, 06:46 AM
Neolithic haplogroup?

I don't think so. K1a29a is too young to have been related to Neolithic.

J1 DYS388=13
12-24-2019, 09:12 AM
I don't think so. K1a29a is too young to have been related to Neolithic.

Where did you see an estimate of its age?

ffoucart
12-26-2019, 06:51 AM
Where did you see an estimate of its age?

I don't have it at hand.

Anyway, K1a29 is around 6100 years old:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3179362/
(look at supp data 2)

Obviously, K1a29a is younger.

J1 DYS388=13
12-26-2019, 09:41 AM
I don't have it at hand.

Anyway, K1a29 is around 6100 years old:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3179362/
(look at supp data 2)

Obviously, K1a29a is younger.

I can't find any reference to K1a29 in that paper. I think you are referring to Costa et al. 2013, https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

I can see one problem with those ages in Costa 2013. The age of K1a10a is estimated at 2300 years, yet a K1a10a skeleton was subsequently dated at approx. 5455 years old.

ffoucart
12-26-2019, 03:06 PM
I can't find any reference to K1a29 in that paper. I think you are referring to Costa et al. 2013, https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

I can see one problem with those ages in Costa 2013. The age of K1a10a is estimated at 2300 years, yet a K1a10a skeleton was subsequently dated at approx. 5455 years old.

Yes, you are right: it's in the Costa paper.

I don't know for K1a10a, but for K1a29 it is a rough estimate (could be 10500, 8500 or 6100 years old, on average, so it could also be far more older).

Too bad to not have more recent datation, but in anycase, without ancient sample, I take these estimates with a grain of salt.

ffoucart
03-17-2020, 02:48 PM
Yes, you are right: it's in the Costa paper.

I don't know for K1a10a, but for K1a29 it is a rough estimate (could be 10500, 8500 or 6100 years old, on average, so it could also be far more older).

Too bad to not have more recent datation, but in anycase, without ancient sample, I take these estimates with a grain of salt.

YFull about datation:

16093 level K1a29a <=1800 ybp C16093T! HVR1 HVS-I

3702 level K1a29a 1800 ybp A3702G CR ND1

16265 level K1a29a 1800 ybp A16265G HVR1 HVS-I

8167 level K1a29 4400 ybp T8167C CR CO2