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vettor
12-09-2019, 06:35 AM
The below link is one of the families that is linked to me in Yfull

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~freshourfaces/genealogy/freshourfacesonline/aqwg01.htm

and

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=yresults

Curtiss is together with me in Ftdna......................Daniel CURTISS b.1652 - Stratford, CT

Brooks ( Brucke) surname as well........................John/1f Brooks, b. 1640-d 1695 Stratford, CT

( Brooks and curtiss are same Ydna and where together as in a family unit about 100 years ago )


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=ysnp

They seem to originate on the Swiss and south-german border areas


A Frush person is doing By700 so I will get more information , early next year

vettor
12-09-2019, 04:51 PM
The below link is one of the families that is linked to me in Yfull

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~freshourfaces/genealogy/freshourfacesonline/aqwg01.htm

and

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=yresults

Curtiss is together with me in Ftdna......................Daniel CURTISS b.1652 - Stratford, CT

Brooks ( Brucke) surname as well........................John/1f Brooks, b. 1640-d 1695 Stratford, CT

( Brooks and curtiss are same Ydna and where together as in a family unit about 100 years ago )


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=ysnp

They seem to originate on the Swiss and south-german border areas


A Frush person is doing By700 so I will get more information , early next year

I miss semargyl .............i got the Frush family (below) from that site and the Belgium is from Walloon ............all are snp Z19945

https://i.postimg.cc/FzkXJ6vN/frush1.png (https://postimages.org/)

vettor
03-07-2020, 04:16 PM
new sample in Yfull is linked in same group as all of the above, is a Pole from old Prusi lands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

https://web.archive.org/web/20040411205220/http://www.euronet.nl/~jlemmens/prussia.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040412094112/http://www.alphalink.com.au/~wolf/prussia/

he is T1a2-Z19945

most likely ancient west-balt in ethnicity .............but could be german thuringian

Artmar
03-12-2020, 05:45 PM
new sample in Yfull is linked in same group as all of the above, is a Pole from old Prusi lands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

https://web.archive.org/web/20040411205220/http://www.euronet.nl/~jlemmens/prussia.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040412094112/http://www.alphalink.com.au/~wolf/prussia/

he is T1a2-Z19945

most likely ancient west-balt in ethnicity .............but could be german thuringian

He is in Polish project and I convinced him to join YFull to see whether he connects with research samples. I am not certain whether he correctly chose a region anyway, I need to ask him.

vettor
03-12-2020, 07:14 PM
He is in Polish project and I convinced him to join YFull to see whether he connects with research samples. I am not certain whether he correctly chose a region anyway, I need to ask him.

thanks I have spoken to him

he sits with myself and an american ( ex cornwall England, ex Hanover Germany ) ................the american is related to the Curtiss branch, and Freshour and Frush branches in Hesse germany

I just want to see if he has snp CTS1848 and then he sits with the Walloon from Belgium .................I am negative for this snp

Is he from old Prusi lands ? ..............that is pre-prussian

vettor
03-18-2020, 05:18 PM
thanks I have spoken to him

he sits with myself and an american ( ex cornwall England, ex Hanover Germany ) ................the american is related to the Curtiss branch, and Freshour and Frush branches in Hesse germany

I just want to see if he has snp CTS1848 and then he sits with the Walloon from Belgium .................I am negative for this snp

Is he from old Prusi lands ? ..............that is pre-prussian

We have recently been split into a new group together , with an ancient italian sample as well .................it is the third branch coming out of Z19945 ..............the new group that we sit under is
T - BY143483

I think BY snp's have ftdna origin , unsure

Artmar
03-22-2020, 12:05 PM
Is he from old Prusi lands ? ..............that is pre-prussian

His line is from the province of Lublin but he himself was born in Pomerania and misinterpreted flags. It should be PL-LU.

vettor
03-26-2020, 04:14 PM
His line is from the province of Lublin but he himself was born in Pomerania and misinterpreted flags. It should be PL-LU.

The T project person from Fydna will push for snp BY143483 to be added to the file away from a private snp

when this happens, we should see some changes

what is the difference between Pomerania and Lublin in regards to ethnicy, is there any ?...............I mean in olden times , 1000 years ago ....................IIRC, Pomerania was ethnically west-baltic people (old Prusi)

Artmar
03-29-2020, 12:26 PM
The T project person from Fydna will push for snp BY143483 to be added to the file away from a private snp

when this happens, we should see some changes

what is the difference between Pomerania and Lublin in regards to ethnicy, is there any ?...............I mean in olden times , 1000 years ago ....................IIRC, Pomerania was ethnically west-baltic people (old Prusi)

Pomerania has visibly different distribution of some clades of R1a and higher Germanic (Ostsiedlung) influence.

vettor
03-30-2020, 08:26 PM
Pomerania has visibly different distribution of some clades of R1a and higher Germanic (Ostsiedlung) influence.

Thanks

BTW, is the name ....Lamia Poe a slavic name......this person is from slovakia ( ex Austrian galicia )..........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)

vettor
03-31-2020, 11:43 PM
My ftdna snp has been changed in ydna and BigY to

T - BY143483

a branch of Z19945 ..................there are 3 branches so far

I always thought that Z19945 would be a centre/hub of a major split

vettor
04-26-2020, 05:11 PM
My ftdna snp has been changed in ydna and BigY to

T - BY143483

a branch of Z19945 ..................there are 3 branches so far

I always thought that Z19945 would be a centre/hub of a major split

TMRCA of Z19945 is now 3300

TMRCA of BY143483 is 3000

I assume under yfull rules, this means circa 990BC

vettor
07-26-2020, 11:06 PM
TMRCA of Z19945 is now 3300

TMRCA of BY143483 is 3000

I assume under yfull rules, this means circa 990BC

does yfull follow ftdna and also use isogg testers in regards to snp markers ?

my snp was changed by Mark Stoneking, Ph.D., Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Leipzig, Germany

It is now in ftdna as T-SK1480

vettor
10-23-2020, 05:11 PM
He is in Polish project and I convinced him to join YFull to see whether he connects with research samples. I am not certain whether he correctly chose a region anyway, I need to ask him.

In the new Polish papers of late 2020.............Lublin and Warmia areas have the highest % for T
I have a match in each of these

with a Anthonius Hoff, b. 1616 and d. 1677 1 step away .................noted as a Prussian from Warmia ( warmians is one of the tribes of the pagans..... Warmia , old Prusi people defeated by the catholic crusade in the 13th century )

and with a Yfull match with a person from Lublin Poland, who says he was originally near german silesia .............he thinks his current surname was changed

Westland
10-28-2020, 12:32 AM
I found one Chinese T1a2-L446 from Jilin Province in Northeast China.

monedula
10-28-2020, 06:58 PM
I am T-Y174326 on yfull. Seems to be pretty close to you vettor, but still many years apart... Both T-Z19890 branches seem to be predominantly european though.

vettor
10-30-2020, 02:51 AM
I am T-Y174326 on yfull. Seems to be pretty close to you vettor, but still many years apart... Both T-Z19890 branches seem to be predominantly european though.

thanks

do you know where you fit in the below yfull branch for my T

https://i.postimg.cc/SK4fMVZY/vik.png (https://postimg.cc/NKNXh8vQ)


there is a dutch person in this branch

monedula
10-30-2020, 06:38 PM
that is me :)

vettor
10-31-2020, 05:08 PM
that is me :)

ok

I am in the bottom group .......but yfull has not yet split BY143483 into the 2 branches that ftdna did a month or so ago

The pole in my group told me his line was from thuringia Germany

monedula
10-31-2020, 08:19 PM
On ftdna my group also has a finnish person. I am a bit surpised the viking sample is closer to the iraqi/egypt group than mine, which seems more north/west european (although the sample size is small of course).

vettor
11-02-2020, 03:54 PM
On ftdna my group also has a finnish person. I am a bit surpised the viking sample is closer to the iraqi/egypt group than mine, which seems more north/west european (although the sample size is small of course).

they are "ex-vikings" ..............vikings had a lot of trade via russia with the middle east, central-asia etc .............I think there was even a viking guards for byzantine period as well

vettor
11-27-2020, 07:51 PM
Another T1a2 ancient sample


I4055

T1a2-L490

Sample looks like the period when the Silingi Vandals where controlling southern Spain

The tribe of Nahanarvali is speculated by modern scholars to be the same people as the Silingi. Tacitus Germania, 43 mentions the Naharvali as the keepers of sanctuary of the Lugian federation .......................

Others have said , it could be pre-roman iberian from the Vettones tribe in central spain

L490 is a snp that I have....I remember years ago, for many years, with sites of Isogg and Ftdna, they never had this as a fixed snp but always as a proposed one ...........they always only had snp L206, which I did not have

vettor
12-28-2020, 06:39 PM
the viking (VK398 ) with ydna of T1a2 appears in my yfull matches ................not sure how accurate this is

https://i.postimg.cc/nhGKGLx5/new-update-yfull.png (https://postimages.org/)


the paper states

Sample: VK398 / Sweden_Skara 231
Location: Varnhem, Skara, Sweden
Age: Viking 10-12th centuries CE
Y-DNA: T-BY215080
mtDNA: H1b1-T16362C

vettor
06-08-2021, 09:18 PM
Another 5 samples of T1a2-Z19945 added to ftdna site

3 x poles
2 x ukraines

it is the same as myself and 5 belgiums, 3 germans and 2 italians ...............none of these have slavic admixture

does that mean that z19945 was already in eastern europe before the slavs where created or is this a west to east migration ?

I do match a pole from gdansk plus an italian , but I am 2 levels below Z19945 ( which i am positive for )