Yfull T1a2 ydna matches

[vettor]

The below link is one of the families that is linked to me in Yfull

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~freshourfaces/genealogy/freshourfacesonline/aqwg01.htm

and

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=yresults

Curtiss is together with me in Ftdna......................Daniel CURTISS b.1652 - Stratford, CT

Brooks ( Brucke) surname as well........................John/1f Brooks, b. 1640-d 1695 Stratford, CT

( Brooks and curtiss are same Ydna and where together as in a family unit about 100 years ago )


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=ysnp

They seem to originate on the Swiss and south-german border areas


A Frush person is doing By700 so I will get more information , early next year

[vettor]

The below link is one of the families that is linked to me in Yfull

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~freshourfaces/genealogy/freshourfacesonline/aqwg01.htm

and

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=yresults

Curtiss is together with me in Ftdna......................Daniel CURTISS b.1652 - Stratford, CT

Brooks ( Brucke) surname as well........................John/1f Brooks, b. 1640-d 1695 Stratford, CT

( Brooks and curtiss are same Ydna and where together as in a family unit about 100 years ago )


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour?iframe=ysnp

They seem to originate on the Swiss and south-german border areas


A Frush person is doing By700 so I will get more information , early next year

I miss semargyl .............i got the Frush family (below) from that site and the Belgium is from Walloon ............all are snp Z19945

https://i.postimg.cc/FzkXJ6vN/frush1.png (https://postimages.org/)

[vettor]

new sample in Yfull is linked in same group as all of the above, is a Pole from old Prusi lands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

https://web.archive.org/web/20040411205220/http://www.euronet.nl/~jlemmens/prussia.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040412094112/http://www.alphalink.com.au/~wolf/prussia/

he is T1a2-Z19945

most likely ancient west-balt in ethnicity .............but could be german thuringian

[Artmar]

new sample in Yfull is linked in same group as all of the above, is a Pole from old Prusi lands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

https://web.archive.org/web/20040411205220/http://www.euronet.nl/~jlemmens/prussia.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040412094112/http://www.alphalink.com.au/~wolf/prussia/

he is T1a2-Z19945

most likely ancient west-balt in ethnicity .............but could be german thuringian

He is in Polish project and I convinced him to join YFull to see whether he connects with research samples. I am not certain whether he correctly chose a region anyway, I need to ask him.

[vettor]

He is in Polish project and I convinced him to join YFull to see whether he connects with research samples. I am not certain whether he correctly chose a region anyway, I need to ask him.

thanks I have spoken to him

he sits with myself and an american ( ex cornwall England, ex Hanover Germany ) ................the american is related to the Curtiss branch, and Freshour and Frush branches in Hesse germany

I just want to see if he has snp CTS1848 and then he sits with the Walloon from Belgium .................I am negative for this snp

Is he from old Prusi lands ? ..............that is pre-prussian

[vettor]

thanks I have spoken to him

he sits with myself and an american ( ex cornwall England, ex Hanover Germany ) ................the american is related to the Curtiss branch, and Freshour and Frush branches in Hesse germany

I just want to see if he has snp CTS1848 and then he sits with the Walloon from Belgium .................I am negative for this snp

Is he from old Prusi lands ? ..............that is pre-prussian

We have recently been split into a new group together , with an ancient italian sample as well .................it is the third branch coming out of Z19945 ..............the new group that we sit under is
T - BY143483

I think BY snp's have ftdna origin , unsure

[Artmar]

Is he from old Prusi lands ? ..............that is pre-prussian

His line is from the province of Lublin but he himself was born in Pomerania and misinterpreted flags. It should be PL-LU.

[vettor]

His line is from the province of Lublin but he himself was born in Pomerania and misinterpreted flags. It should be PL-LU.

The T project person from Fydna will push for snp BY143483 to be added to the file away from a private snp

when this happens, we should see some changes

what is the difference between Pomerania and Lublin in regards to ethnicy, is there any ?...............I mean in olden times , 1000 years ago ....................IIRC, Pomerania was ethnically west-baltic people (old Prusi)

[Artmar]

The T project person from Fydna will push for snp BY143483 to be added to the file away from a private snp

when this happens, we should see some changes

what is the difference between Pomerania and Lublin in regards to ethnicy, is there any ?...............I mean in olden times , 1000 years ago ....................IIRC, Pomerania was ethnically west-baltic people (old Prusi)

Pomerania has visibly different distribution of some clades of R1a and higher Germanic (Ostsiedlung) influence.

[vettor]

Pomerania has visibly different distribution of some clades of R1a and higher Germanic (Ostsiedlung) influence.

Thanks

BTW, is the name ....Lamia Poe a slavic name......this person is from slovakia ( ex Austrian galicia )..........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)

[vettor]

My ftdna snp has been changed in ydna and BigY to

T - BY143483

a branch of Z19945 ..................there are 3 branches so far

I always thought that Z19945 would be a centre/hub of a major split

[vettor]

My ftdna snp has been changed in ydna and BigY to

T - BY143483

a branch of Z19945 ..................there are 3 branches so far

I always thought that Z19945 would be a centre/hub of a major split

TMRCA of Z19945 is now 3300

TMRCA of BY143483 is 3000

I assume under yfull rules, this means circa 990BC

[vettor]

TMRCA of Z19945 is now 3300

TMRCA of BY143483 is 3000

I assume under yfull rules, this means circa 990BC

does yfull follow ftdna and also use isogg testers in regards to snp markers ?

my snp was changed by Mark Stoneking, Ph.D., Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Leipzig, Germany

It is now in ftdna as T-SK1480

[vettor]

He is in Polish project and I convinced him to join YFull to see whether he connects with research samples. I am not certain whether he correctly chose a region anyway, I need to ask him.

In the new Polish papers of late 2020.............Lublin and Warmia areas have the highest % for T
I have a match in each of these

with a Anthonius Hoff, b. 1616 and d. 1677 1 step away .................noted as a Prussian from Warmia ( warmians is one of the tribes of the pagans..... Warmia , old Prusi people defeated by the catholic crusade in the 13th century )

and with a Yfull match with a person from Lublin Poland, who says he was originally near german silesia .............he thinks his current surname was changed

[Westland]

Ｉ found one Chinese T1a2-L446 from Jilin Province in Northeast China.

[monedula]

I am T-Y174326 on yfull. Seems to be pretty close to you vettor, but still many years apart... Both T-Z19890 branches seem to be predominantly european though.

[vettor]

I am T-Y174326 on yfull. Seems to be pretty close to you vettor, but still many years apart... Both T-Z19890 branches seem to be predominantly european though.

thanks

do you know where you fit in the below yfull branch for my T

https://i.postimg.cc/SK4fMVZY/vik.png (https://postimg.cc/NKNXh8vQ)


there is a dutch person in this branch

[monedula]

that is me :)

[vettor]

that is me :)

ok

I am in the bottom group .......but yfull has not yet split BY143483 into the 2 branches that ftdna did a month or so ago

The pole in my group told me his line was from thuringia Germany

[monedula]

On ftdna my group also has a finnish person. I am a bit surpised the viking sample is closer to the iraqi/egypt group than mine, which seems more north/west european (although the sample size is small of course).

[vettor]

On ftdna my group also has a finnish person. I am a bit surpised the viking sample is closer to the iraqi/egypt group than mine, which seems more north/west european (although the sample size is small of course).

they are "ex-vikings" ..............vikings had a lot of trade via russia with the middle east, central-asia etc .............I think there was even a viking guards for byzantine period as well

[vettor]

Another T1a2 ancient sample


I4055

T1a2-L490

Sample looks like the period when the Silingi Vandals where controlling southern Spain

The tribe of Nahanarvali is speculated by modern scholars to be the same people as the Silingi. Tacitus Germania, 43 mentions the Naharvali as the keepers of sanctuary of the Lugian federation .......................

Others have said , it could be pre-roman iberian from the Vettones tribe in central spain

L490 is a snp that I have....I remember years ago, for many years, with sites of Isogg and Ftdna, they never had this as a fixed snp but always as a proposed one ...........they always only had snp L206, which I did not have

[vettor]

the viking (VK398 ) with ydna of T1a2 appears in my yfull matches ................not sure how accurate this is

https://i.postimg.cc/nhGKGLx5/new-update-yfull.png (https://postimages.org/)


the paper states

Sample: VK398 / Sweden_Skara 231
Location: Varnhem, Skara, Sweden
Age: Viking 10-12th centuries CE
Y-DNA: T-BY215080
mtDNA: H1b1-T16362C

[vettor]

Another 5 samples of T1a2-Z19945 added to ftdna site

3 x poles
2 x ukraines

it is the same as myself and 5 belgiums, 3 germans and 2 italians ...............none of these have slavic admixture

does that mean that z19945 was already in eastern europe before the slavs where created or is this a west to east migration ?

I do match a pole from gdansk plus an italian , but I am 2 levels below Z19945 ( which i am positive for )

[vettor]

Iinteresting that my new positive SNP in Ftdna, Y79536 ....is ..noted as negative in yfull even though i have 4 of the 5 stars marked for it

[Monk307]

Iinteresting that my new positive SNP in Ftdna, Y79536 ....is ..noted as negative in yfull even though i have 4 of the 5 stars marked for it

Deeper subclade analysis beyond a certain threshold will give you varying and different results depending on the DNA companies used unless they're testing for specific subclades. Anything beyond an acceptable threshold of 1k years is speculative and is a hit or miss for critical SNP's unless the test is designed to seek a positive result for a specific subclade.

What I find hilarious is that there are users mainly from the Somali project who are building entire family lines/communities/ based solely on YFull and FTDNA results which should be more of an indicator for a 1k year threshold than an actual definitive piece of evidence. Many haven't even read the methodology of how these companies establish their findings.

[MacUalraig]

Deeper subclade analysis beyond a certain threshold will give you varying and different results depending on the DNA companies used unless they're testing for specific subclades. Anything beyond an acceptable threshold of 1k years is speculative and is a hit or miss for critical SNP's unless the test is designed to seek a positive result for a specific subclade.


The whole point of a sequencing test is to look at the whole chromosome, subject to maybe the odd position which didn't get enough coverage. If you are on YFull, effectively you have results for all Y SNPs. ditto the internal BY database at ftdna. The situation is of course quite different if you only did a chip test with a fixed number of pre-determined SNPs. The YSEQ panels are half way between those extremes in that they are virtual panels so can track the latest most detailed tree quite closely if they choose to.

[vettor]

The whole point of a sequencing test is to look at the whole chromosome, subject to maybe the odd position which didn't get enough coverage. If you are on YFull, effectively you have results for all Y SNPs. ditto the internal BY database at ftdna. The situation is of course quite different if you only did a chip test with a fixed number of pre-determined SNPs. The YSEQ panels are half way between those extremes in that they are virtual panels so can track the latest most detailed tree quite closely if they choose to.

thanks

I have done the max test one can do with FtDna .................I expect FtDna to be accurate due to this ..............in regards YFull, I have no opinion, but with 4 of 5 stars flagged for that snp and still state negative seems very odd

[MacUalraig]

thanks

I have done the max test one can do with FtDna .................I expect FtDna to be accurate due to this ..............in regards YFull, I have no opinion, but with 4 of 5 stars flagged for that snp and still state negative seems very odd

Can you post a screenshot of what you see on YFull when you plug that SNP into the CheckSNP function on the left? This is mine:
53046

[Monk307]

thanks

I have done the max test one can do with FtDna .................I expect FtDna to be accurate due to this ..............in regards YFull, I have no opinion, but with 4 of 5 stars flagged for that snp and still state negative seems very odd

Like MacUalraig said it would be useful to just check on YFull when you go onto check SNP and then look for Y79536, which is the subclade you got the 4 out of 5 stars. Does it show negative?

If so, I dont know how this issue can be reconciled with the absolute accuracy of SNP detection in general tests. YFull mostly guarantees that their significant coverage will not miss a critical SNP. If its a 4 out of 5 then there is a serious problem right there.

[vettor]

Can you post a screenshot of what you see on YFull when you plug that SNP into the CheckSNP function on the left? This is mine:
53046



today it is positive

no stars

https://i.postimg.cc/jjsJ4kS8/y79536.png (https://postimages.org/)

[vettor]

Like MacUalraig said it would be useful to just check on YFull when you go onto check SNP and then look for Y79536, which is the subclade you got the 4 out of 5 stars. Does it show negative?

If so, I dont know how this issue can be reconciled with the absolute accuracy of SNP detection in general tests. YFull mostly guarantees that their significant coverage will not miss a critical SNP. If its a 4 out of 5 then there is a serious problem right there.

it changed today..............positive with zero stars ................maybe they just uploaded or something

[MacUalraig]

today it is positive

no stars

https://i.postimg.cc/jjsJ4kS8/y79536.png (https://postimages.org/)

If you click on the little yellow icon on the left it will show you the details I posted which are what the reads actually are. In other words in my case I have 23 reads all saying allele 'T' (ancestral or negative).

[vettor]

If you click on the little yellow icon on the left it will show you the details I posted which are what the reads actually are. In other words in my case I have 23 reads all saying allele 'T' (ancestral or negative).

https://i.postimg.cc/FHsB3YpL/y79536-reads.png (https://postimages.org/)


this is the only snp in the list of "known snp's " which has blank for a star

[MacUalraig]

That looks pretty conclusive to me, it means you had 68 reads and they all said the same allele 'C'.

[vettor]

That looks pretty conclusive to me, it means you had 68 reads and they all said the same allele 'C'.

is it not strange it is presented with zero stars .......with 68 reads ?

must be some type of system yfull has

I remember my previous marker was SK1480 ..........in ftdna , I was SK1480 ......in yfull they stated was was another snp equal to SK1480, the other has 3 stars and yfull SK1480 had 5 stars .............very puzzling by yfull

[vettor]

That looks pretty conclusive to me, it means you had 68 reads and they all said the same allele 'C'.

the snp is now marked as private

Y79536 private

T
to
C

[vettor]

the snp is now marked as private

Y79536 private

T
to
C


This marker of mine cannot be private as I share with a french person in

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hordouille-Hericourt?iframe=yresults

7th from the top

who is

https://i.postimg.cc/g0vQMknJ/sion.png (https://postimages.org/)


it cannot be private .............am I correct ?

[vettor]

There is another T-SK1480

from this ancestor

Bartholomäus Kohout who married and Anna Maria Neumann

Bartholomäus was born on July 13 1683, in Ohnistovice,
Anna Maria born on May 2 1691, in Wilkenau, Bischofteinitz, Böhmen, Áustria

[vettor]

another match

Cristfolo Sion
Gender Male
Birth Circa 1790
Provinca di, Treviso, Italy

need to find birth town ...but parents are

Zane Sion .................Zane is venetian form for Giovanni
Caterina Och