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Dewsloth
12-13-2019, 08:05 PM
But two of the three just showed up this year, so maybe we're on a roll!
Now that we have "critical mass" of a sample size larger than one, I thought I would take a tip from Bollox79's U106 observations and create a thread to keep all the finds as they (hopefully) keep coming in.

So the first two in find order (the oldest and youngest in burial date), 6Drif23 and VK333 were found at latitudes north of Hamburg, Germany. 6Drif23 in York and VK333 on the island of Öland, Sweden. The raw data for VK333 is still embargoed. In the preprint, autosomally, he looked like a number of other Danish Viking-era samples who all had a triple-peak mix of southern, western and northern components. Culturally (burial style and carved incisors) VK333 very much looks like a Viking.

Here is 6Drif23's autosomal G25 map:

https://i.imgur.com/yV165KI.png



https://i.imgur.com/Ed6fP9t.png



^^Culturally he and the rest of the decapitated Driffield Terrace crowd are something of a mystery. They were buried in a similar context, but it's not totally clear what was going on.

The third sample was found buried at the Mausoleo di Augusto (Mausoleum of the Emperor Augustus and a whole host of other Roman VIPs). We can probably rule out his being a Roman VIP, and his burial date estimate overlaps the date of the Mausoleum's looting (along with the rest of Rome) by Alaric's forces in 410 AD. While his burial far more south, his autosomal map is even more north "Germanic" than 6Drif23:




[COLOR=#FFFFFF]https://i.imgur.com/X3fhmCe.png



Y-SNPs: 6Drif23 is a DF88, RMPR31 is a Z302, and so far VK333 is just classified as DF19.
DF88 and Z302 are the two main subclades of DF19 and probably date at least as far back as Beaker times, but their modern distribution doesn't look radically different. Their modern distribution looks roughly like U106, just with far fewer members.
The two subclades may have traveled together or lived adjacently for a long time.

Dewsloth
09-22-2020, 04:38 PM
Thanks to Sheepslayer, we now know VK333's line:

VK333 (Oland_1028), Sweden, 885 ± 69 CE: R1b-DF19 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 > FT354149 > Z17125 > Z17123 > Z29034*

Level DF88: S4267 (+2), S7445 (+1), S23780 (+1)

Level FGC11833: FGC11833 (+1)

Level S4281: Z17109 (+2), Z17108 (+1), S4281 (+1)

Level S4268: Z17111 (+3)

Level Z17112: FGC68462 (+1)

Level FT354149: No calls, positive downstream. Presumed positive
Level Z27257: Z27261 (-1), Z27260 (-1)
Level S17075: S17075 (-1)
Level PH3649: S4273 (-1), S4276 (-1), S4288 (-1), Z39822 (-1)
Level Z21380: No calls, negative downstream

Level Z17125: FT37310 (+1)

Level Z17123: No calls, positive downstream. Presumed positive

Level Z29034: Z29036 (+2), Z29040 (+2), Z29037 (+2), Z29039 (+1)

Negative for FT116675 (1 read) and all downstream. Very negative for BY56504

You can now see VK333 and 6DRIF23 on the Big Tree:
https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=183

Dewsloth
03-12-2021, 06:24 PM
And finally #4 appears, and he was worth the wait. Alex Williamson identified one of the Dutch Bell Beaker samples as a DF19!

Alex just identified I5748 as a DF19>Z302


Noord-Holland
aDNA: I5748
MDKA Birth: Netherlands
Bell Beaker, PRJEB23635. 2579-2211 calBCE (3945±55 BP, GrN-6650C). Noord-Holland, Oostwoud, De Tuithoorn Netherlands.
Tree Position
R-P312/S116 > DF19/S232 > Z302/S233 > Exact position not yet finalized.
https://www.ytree.net/SNPinfoForPers...personID=12062

First DF19 to be found dated to earlier than 200AD :biggrin1::beerchug::biggrin1:

sheepslayer
03-12-2021, 11:25 PM
I looked at the BAM, I'm afraid I5748 is either Z302* or some undiscovered block split because he has one negative read each for two variants denoting both branches directly downstream of Z302.

My notes:
43849

Couldn't find any reads on level Z302

Dewsloth
03-13-2021, 12:23 AM
I looked at the BAM, I'm afraid I5748 is either Z302* or some undiscovered block split because he has one negative read each for two variants denoting both branches directly downstream of Z302.

My notes:
43849

Couldn't find any reads on level Z302

Thanks! It's kinda crazy, we just jumped back from 200 AD to almost butting up against the P312 event horizon: P312's TMRCA at yfull is 4500ybp, DF19 (and both main subclades, DF88 and Z302) formed around 4500 ybp along with P312's other "sons"
At ~3945ybp, this burial is only about 600 years after Z302* was formed.

GOM
03-13-2021, 01:29 AM
And finally #4 appears, and he was worth the wait.

Indeed he was worth it. Olalde et. al., 2018 Supplementary Information (at https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738#Sec21) refer to the original excavation of I5748 where he was called Skeleton 575, and that work is summarised in a very comprehensive paper by Fokkens et. al. 2017, available for download at https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/handle/1887/57381. My quiet weekend just became a little busier.

Dewsloth
03-25-2021, 06:05 PM
44020

^^ York, England; Vickleby, Sweden; and Oostwoud, Netherlands.
So three of the four ancient DF19 finds are from latitudes even with or north of Berlin, and the fourth (RMPR31 buried down in Rome ~400AD) looks more (modern) Norwegian than the rest...

Distance to: ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR31
0.02240159 Norwegian
0.02290643 Dutch
0.02295681 Danish
0.02304767 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02341117 Afrikaner
0.02345321 Swedish
0.02382061 Welsh
0.02412413 German
0.02468599 English
0.02499629 Icelandic


Distance to: Bell_Beaker_NLD:I5748
0.02355857 Norwegian
0.02409423 Icelandic
0.02440895 Irish
0.02451191 Danish
0.02470650 Shetlandic
0.02544114 Scottish
0.02549502 Swedish
0.02567693 Dutch
0.02569311 Orcadian
0.02630714 Welsh


Mind you I'm not saying R31 is Norwegian, I'm just saying his burial location can't be a good indication of his ethnic or geographic origin.

Also I5748 might be the first DF19 sample to be buried near where he grew up. :)

Dewsloth
04-08-2021, 07:50 PM
Just for reference. These are in chronological order, but it's also order of Barcin percentage (scaled)


Target--- Barcin_N--WHG--Yamnaya_Samara
Bell_Beaker_NLD:I5748 23.4 12.8 63.8
England_Roman:6DT23 37.2 14.6 48.2
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR31 38.8 17.6 43.6
VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333 44.8 11.0 44.2

Dewsloth
11-02-2021, 04:36 PM
There will be some updates from the upcoming paper on Bronze Age Britain: "Large-Scale Migration into Southern Britain During the Middle to Late Bronze Age"
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB47891?show=reads

In the 800+ BA and IA samples from the study, there are three that look interesting but may not be confirmed until they can really be analyzed:

Yleaf results:
I26830 R1b1a1b1a1a2e R-DF19*(xL644,L1199,S233)
I16182 R1b1a1b1a1a2e1b R-L1199

SNIPSA results:
I17607:Result (81.8% 39 -1 +5): R-Y6234
I17607:R1b -> R-L754 -> R-L389 -> R-P297 -> R-M269 -> R-L23 -> R-L51 -> R-L52 -> R-L151 -> R-P312 -> R-DF19 -> R-DF88 -> R-Y3096 -> R-Y6234 (ISOGG: )
I17607:Extra: Y19636:T FGC42546:T MF87426:A V6772/BY115803:T Y8743/FGC22598:T

[snipsa thinks I16182 is actually not DF19]
I16182:Result (81.3% 444 -2 +95): R-L2
I16182:R1b -> R-L754 -> R-L389 -> R-P297 -> R-M269 -> R-L23 -> R-L51 -> R-L52 -> R-L151 -> R-P312 -> R-U152 -> R-L2 (ISOGG: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1)

no snipsa data yet for I26830 due to download issues. We won't know more about the samples until the paper is formally published, apparently.

Stay tuned!

Dewsloth
11-06-2021, 09:16 PM
We still don't know much about them, but here are our two new apparent DF19s from the upcoming Celtic paper:


Thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/2LKfNuW.png
https://i.imgur.com/L42VzUG.png

Dewsloth
11-07-2021, 08:52 PM
Here is I5748:

Not a problem.

https://i.imgur.com/UxGFBVg.png

Dewsloth
11-16-2021, 10:20 PM
Here is the latest, I13028, apparently a DF88* sample. Perhaps ancient?


Thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/QdVU7M1.png

Dewsloth
12-20-2021, 07:25 PM
But two of the three just showed up this year, so maybe we're on a roll!
Now that we have "critical mass" of a sample size larger than one, I thought I would take a tip from Bollox79's U106 observations and create a thread to keep all the finds as they (hopefully) keep coming in.

So the first two in find order (the oldest and youngest in burial date), 6Drif23 and VK333 were found at latitudes north of Hamburg, Germany. 6Drif23 in York and VK333 on the island of Öland, Sweden. The raw data for VK333 is still embargoed. In the preprint, autosomally, he looked like a number of other Danish Viking-era samples who all had a triple-peak mix of southern, western and northern components. Culturally (burial style and carved incisors) VK333 very much looks like a Viking.



Some more thoughts on the context of VK333 (and the potential significance of his teeth):

https://www.medievalists.net/2020/01/vikings-their-filed-teeth/


The only clue we have so far is that about 80% of the cases found so far come from Gotland, the Swedish island in the Baltic Sea. This offers some suggestions that Arcini notes:


One hypothesis is that the custom had its origin on the island, and that the men with filed teeth whom we find in other places than Gotland were Gotlanders who had moved from the island. If the custom if Gothlandic, according to another hypothesis, those who were not originally from Gotland could have been there to get their teeth filed; after visiting Gotland they either went home and died there or travelled on and died somewhere else, and were thus not buried on Gotland. A third possibility is that the modification of the teeth was performed in other places and that Gotland, for some reason, was a gathering point for something that the filed marks represent.

Of the more than 130 cases we now know of, all but three are from Sweden, with two of the remaining people in Denmark, and another from England as part of the mass grave of Scandinavian men killed at Dorset. Arcini finds only one more case that might be related – a man from Egypt that was buried in the early eighth-century. His filed teeth looks very similar to the Norse examples.

Edit: The island of Gotland is only about 40-50 miles from the island of Öland

Dewsloth
12-23-2021, 11:27 PM
So this guy is ::checks notes:: Iron Age Hallstatt-Bylany :eek: :lol: :jaw:

See, also, https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24962-50-replacement-in-GB-Patterson-et-al-in-review&p=822074#post822074

https://i.imgur.com/L42VzUG.png

Edit:

Here are his Top 50 distances to ancient averages (fellow Iron Age ones bolded for fun) :

Distance to: CZE_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607
0.04530866 England_EMBA
0.04763143 SWE_IA
0.04936066 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA
0.05054123 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA
0.05078729 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.05086982 NLD_BA
0.05161084 VK2020_NOR_North_VA
0.05193792 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
0.05196988 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
0.05209201 Bell_Beaker_England
0.05216536 VK2020_ISL_Hringsdalur_VA
0.05259298 Scotland_LBA
0.05296499 VK2020_Faroes_EM
0.05308496 Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.05321399 England_MBA
0.05357837 England_Saxon
0.05361025 VK2020_UKR_Shestovitsa_VA
0.05377133 DEU_MA_Baiuvaric
0.05387945 England_CA_EBA
0.05437669 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
0.05448996 VK2020_EST_Saaremaa_EVA
0.05453681 VK2020_NOR_South_IA
0.05462317 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA
0.05464430 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA
0.05471939 IRL_BA
0.05498173 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA
0.05505940 VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA
0.05509182 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
0.05513663 VK2020_NOR_Mid_VA
0.05530079 Wales_CA_EBA
0.05532072 CZE_Unetice_preC
0.05538380 Bell_Beaker_NLD
0.05547587 POL_Chlopice_Vesele_Culture
0.05549212 CZE_Unetice_C
0.05562932 POL_Unetice_EBA
0.05573777 DEU_Unetice_EBA
0.05590519 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.05612103 VK2020_NOR_South_VA
0.05614883 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA
0.05625121 CZE_Bilina_BA
0.05626036 VK2020_NOR_North_IA
0.05670656 VK2020_RUS_Ladoga_VA
0.05671904 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA
0.05690391 CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.05691144 England_Roman
0.05712576 VK2020_NOR_Mid_MA
0.05715303 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA
0.05742716 DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.05757416 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
0.05767778 SWE_Battle_Axe

Dewsloth
12-27-2021, 11:08 PM
More information on the body and grave goods of I26830, who could be among the very first with the DF19>DF88>>S4281 mutation:


Descriptiol/ ofthe objects: .
I. Rapier: rounded hilt-plate(thesidesofwhichare badly damaged),
with six 'plug' rivets graduated in size (the longest central; head s
diagonal), five in situ, arranged in a shallow arc. Narrow blade, with
ridged and stepped cross-section. Severely corroded. Present length
of fragments (lowest part lost) c. 45 cm; original length estimated c.
55-60 cm. Reference: Butler, 1 964.

2. Four amber beads, all small, with cylindricai perforation. Three
of these were available for examination in the spring of 1 992; the
fourth is described after Runia (1986): (a) bi con icai bead, slightly
flattened around the perforations; diameter 1.38 cm; thickness 0.64
cm; perforation 0.27 cm; (b) disc-shaped bead, slightly convex sides;
diameter 0.72 cm; thickness 0.32 cm; perforation 0.2 cm; (c) barrelshaped bead, slightly convex sides; diameter 0.66 cm; thickness 0.46
cm; perforation 0.28 cm; (d) ovoid outline; flattened sides; diameter
0.92xO.71 cm; thickness 0.42 cm; perforation 0.27 cm. Reference:
Runia, 1 986: pp. 1 37-138, with photo.

3. SkelelOl/: according to Huizinga( l964) 'a robust. strong and tall
adult male individual (estimated stature 181 cm)', probably not ofthe
same population as the other skeletons in this cemetery.
F/mher fil/ds: according to Runia ( 1 987), the grave also contained
a piece of worked flint, a piece of sandstone, and a small, not further
identified small animal bone.
Parallels and colII/ections:
The rapier: A small numberof six-riveted rapiers classified under
the heading Type Saint-Triphon (Schauer, 1 971: pp. 33-35, Nos 48-
52, Nahestelrel/d No. 53; to which we might add his untyped No. 1 67)
seem to be better parallels for the Zwaagdijk rapier than we could find
in 1 964. The Saint-Triphon-type rapiers may have capped rivets, plug
rivets, or a combination of both rivet types. The only parallel for the
unusual stepped blade section of the Zwaagdijk rapier in Schauer's
corpus is, however, the rapier from Unterbimbach, Kr. Fulda, in East
Hessen (Schauer, 1 971: No. 1 1 0, Taf. 29b); this rapier has four rivets,
two capped and two pi ug; it falls under Schauer's Typ Panholz. The
specimen from Wolfhagen in Hessen, which we cited in 1 964 as the
best known parallel for Zwaagdijk, has not lost its relevance; it has
rivets quite like those ofZwaagdijk, in a similar arc, and ifthe original
illustration of Bergmann ( 1962: p. 1 1 0, Abb. 7) is to be believed, its
blade cross-section is exactly like that of Zwaagdijk, though the
i llustration of Schauer (1971: No. 1 74) shows a rounded rather than
a ridged middle section. Incidentally, the gold coil associated with the
Wolfhagen rapier is quite like the small single-wire Netherlands
specimens from Hijken, etc. (see Find Nos 8, 1 6, 20).
Datillg: As a derivative of the Saint-Triphon and related rapiers,
the Zwaagdijk rapier is datable in Central European terms to the Early
or Middle Tumulus period (Lochham orGoggenhofen). It would thus
come within or soon after the Sogel-Wohlde phase, in Lanting and
Mook Middle Bronze A. This is compatibie with the I4C dating ofthe
adjacent settlement (see above), though the wide calibrated date range
makes close comparison impossible.
Commellts: This grave is noteworthy in view of the very small
number of Middle Bronze Age graves with grave goods known in the
western coastal region of the Netherlands

GOM
12-29-2021, 02:37 AM
More information on the body and grave goods of I26830, who could be among the very first with the DF19>DF88>>S4281 mutation:

Thanks Dewsloth. Your quotation appears to be from Butler, 1990. There is a more readable PDF version available at https://ugp.rug.nl/Palaeohistoria/article/view/24902/22350. Figure 30 from that paper has a simple map of the site as well as illustrations of the rapier and the amber beads. You have to love a good bronze rapier!

47878

Sigurdur J. Eysteinsson
12-30-2021, 01:54 PM
Interesting to see the development of the R-DF19+ subclades... and surprising to see how few samples there are to date.
I recently got my Big-y 700 results:

R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>Z302>FT11655>Z8193>FT18289>Z39896>Z39898

Which, based on my 40 private variants ,seems to have formed about 2.200-3.200 years ago... and based on my closest matches it is likely to have come to Iceland via the British Isles... though, with this TMRCA estimate and the small number of testers/samples it's hard to say that with any confidence. My oldest documented direct paternal line ancestor was 'Þorgils (Thorgils) Jónsson' b.1654 though I've yet to confirm the line with DNA matches past 1850.
I'll be watching this space with keen interest for more ancient samples to come ;-)

Dewsloth
12-30-2021, 03:42 PM
Interesting to see the development of the R-DF19+ subclades... and surprising to see how few samples there are to date.
I recently got my Big-y 700 results:

R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>Z302>FT11655>Z8193>FT18289>Z39896>Z39898

Which, based on my 40 private variants ,seems to have formed about 2.200-3.200 years ago... and based on my closest matches it is likely to have come to Iceland via the British Isles... though, with this TMRCA estimate and the small number of testers/samples it's hard to say that with any confidence. My oldest documented direct paternal line ancestor was 'Þorgils (Thorgils) Jónsson' b.1654 though I've yet to confirm the line with DNA matches past 1850.
I'll be watching this space with keen interest for more ancient samples to come ;-)

I'm glad you mentioned this: The thing about DF19 in the Isles is the evidence from the new paper implies the migration(s) from the continent didn't happen in the Bronze Age or early Iron Age.
So if we assume your ancestors went from Ireland to Iceland, we are still left asking how/when they got to Ireland in the previous ~1000 years.

My own (uneducated) hunch is that you and they are descendants of Vikings because:
A. Most of the Irish who went to Iceland were reportedly women (so while there were some men, the odds of them not being L21 are slim); and
B. Viking ports were established at Dublin, Wexford, Waterford, Cork and Limerick, so there is plenty of opportunity during the era.

On the other hand, there are reports of Belgae in Ireland (Fir Bolg) which could have contained DF19 (although the odds of a random Irish male not being L21 still strike me as high). http://www.ianadamson.net/2015/07/31/the-belgic-british-tribes-of-ireland/

Sigurdur J. Eysteinsson
12-30-2021, 07:20 PM
I'm glad you mentioned this: The thing about DF19 in the Isles is the evidence from the new paper implies the migration(s) from the continent didn't happen in the Bronze Age or early Iron Age.
So if we assume your ancestors went from Ireland to Iceland, we are still left asking how/when they got to Ireland in the previous ~1000 years.

My own (uneducated) hunch is that you and they are descendants of Vikings because:
A. Most of the Irish who went to Iceland were reportedly women (so while there were some men, the odds of them not being L21 are slim); and
B. Viking ports were established at Dublin, Wexford, Waterford, Cork and Limerick, so there is plenty of opportunity during the era.

On the other hand, there are reports of Belgae in Ireland (Fir Bolg) which could have contained DF19 (although the odds of a random Irish male not being L21 still strike me as high). http://www.ianadamson.net/2015/07/31/the-belgic-british-tribes-of-ireland/

Your hunch might well be right, he might have been Viking.

The largest portion of the original settlers of Iceland were in all likelihood Norse-Gaels... based on archeological and genetic evidence... and many of them would have been Vikings. So, from the British Isles (mainly Northern Scotland, Orkney, Shetlands, Hebrides, Isle of Man, Wales and Ireland... though their Y chromosomes were largely from Norway and other Scandinavian countries.
Genetic tests of the remains of the original settlers shows about 50/50 autosomal DNA admixture of Norse and Celtic origins with 70% of the mtDNA likely from the British isles and 20-30% of the Y-DNA. Consistent with both the admixture of the Norse-Gaels and with the fact that most of the slaves would have been from the British Isles balancing out the admixture of the settlers that came directly from Scandinavia.

So even if my R-Z39898 was a Viking originating in Scandinavia then statistically it is most likely that my paternal line made a 3-5 generation stop over in the British Isles before moving onto Iceland. But it is also possible that it came to Iceland directly from Scandinavia during the Viking age, or it might even have arrived in Iceland during the late middle ages. My documented line only goes back to 1654 and I've only confirmed it with DNA back to 1850. Hopefully I'll be able to do better.

Modern Icelanders are on average genetically more Scandinavian than the original settlers, possibly due to genetic drift or just the fact that when Iceland went under Norwegian rule administrators came to Iceland from Norway and Denmark and to the top of the Icelandic social/DNA hierarchy.
On top of that, most of the merchants sailing to Iceland were from the Hanseatic league (North Germany), England and later from Denmark as well... and there were also Basque whalers around and English and French fisher men for centuries.
My documented post Viking era ancestors were from Norway, Denmark, Hamburg, Lübeck and The Brabant/Netherlands... with Autosomal DNA matches strongly suggesting undocumented English connection from the 18th or early 19th century and possibly a Basque.

In other words with about 2000 years TMRCA my R-Z39898 might have come from anywhere in Northern Europe. Though statistically, most likely via the British Isles.
Now I just have to hope for a closer match, preferably from the middle ages to clarify this mystery ;-)

Dewsloth
01-18-2022, 08:33 PM
Inspired by the U106 guys, I made a quick map of the finds so far:

https://www.easymapmaker.com/map/2cc63294a615ae664fa3d5e37d130196

There are 3 in the Netherlands, the Sögel era I26830 pin is hidden under the SG/Beaker pin of I5748. The sites are only ~1km apart.

Data:

ID Date Burial YDNA Culture
I5748 2579-2211 calBCE Oostwoud, Noord-Holland DF19>Z302* Aceramic Single Grave/Beaker
I13028 2456-2141 calBCE Ottoland-Kromme, Zuid-Holland DF19>DF88* Barbed Wire Beaker
I26830 1620-1311 calBCE Wervershoof-Zwaagdijk, Noord-Holland DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281 Netherlands_MBA/Tumulus/Sögel-Wohlde
I17607 800-550 BCE Louny, Stradonice, Czech Republic DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281 Czech_IA_Hallstatt C or D
6DT23 c.250 CE Driffield Terrace, York, England DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281>S4268>Z17112>S17075> Z43034 Roman Britain
RMPR31 400 CE Mausoleo di Augosto, Rome DF19>Z302>FT11655>Z8193>BY3448>Z39459 Unknown/Frisian?
VK333 885 ± 69 CE Vickleby, Oland, Sweden DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243>Z17125>Z29034 Viking

Dewsloth
01-19-2022, 12:27 AM
So even if my R-Z39898 was a Viking originating in Scandinavia then statistically it is most likely that my paternal line made a 3-5 generation stop over in the British Isles before moving onto Iceland. But it is also possible that it came to Iceland directly from Scandinavia during the Viking age, or it might even have arrived in Iceland during the late middle ages. My documented line only goes back to 1654 and I've only confirmed it with DNA back to 1850. Hopefully I'll be able to do better.

Modern Icelanders are on average genetically more Scandinavian than the original settlers, possibly due to genetic drift or just the fact that when Iceland went under Norwegian rule administrators came to Iceland from Norway and Denmark and to the top of the Icelandic social/DNA hierarchy.
On top of that, most of the merchants sailing to Iceland were from the Hanseatic league (North Germany), England and later from Denmark as well... and there were also Basque whalers around and English and French fisher men for centuries.


Good point: Given that Frisian (or at least close-by) roots for DF19 seem extremely possible, and given the Frisians had many centuries of contacts with practically everyone above [branching out geographically by, at latest, 600 BCE], there are many possible avenues that could have lead your ancestors to Iceland.

Dewsloth
07-01-2022, 07:58 PM
And now the newest! A possible Batavi mounted archer auxiliary who was stationed at a Roman fort in what is now Austria:

R10657, 26 - 126 calCE, Klosterneuburg, Austria: R1b-L51>>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>S9287[part of the Z27257 block]


Complete and well-preserved skeleton: male, age at death between 25 and 35 years; pathological alterations: remodelled (old) fractures of left 5th metacarpal bone; healed fracture of the inferior ramus of the left pubic bone; deformed right distal metatarsal I-phalangeal joint (trauma and/or severe arthrosis, hallux rigidus); left phalanges of the foot with ankylosis and arthritic alterations; right thumb with severe destructions, newly build bone and arthritic changes (archer?); remodelled subperiosteal bony appositions caused by chronic stress (“striae”) at the femora and tibiae; 5th lumbar vertebra asymmetrical formed; partial spina bifida, habitual changes at the femoral neck caused by horseback riding (“Reiterfacette”)

Klosterneuberg:

The necropolis of the Roman imperial time at Klosterneuburg (Lower Austria)
The most western situated auxiliary castle of the province of Pannonia was located at
today’s “Upper Town” of Klosterneuburg (Lower Austria), a city in close vicinity of Vienna
(ca. 13 km NW of Vienna). The castle Klosterneuburg was a fortress within the Roman
fortification line of the Donaulimes, a part of the Roman frontier system. In its early time,
it was used as cohort-camp for auxiliary-forces; from the 2nd century on it was a cavalry
base (Aelische cohort of archers: Cohors I Aelia Sagittariorum [Severiana] [milliaria]
[equitata]). The fortification’s function was the control of the Danube-passage and the
Limes-road. It was in use until the 5th century A.D. In the periphery of the fort a vicus
and necropolis were situated. Archaeological findings include, among others, parts of
the dress, weapons, ceramics, and Terra sigillata, fragments of a scale armour
(Neugebauer-Maresch & Neugebauer 1985/86, Neugebauer-Maresch & Neugebauer
1993, Neugebauer-Maresch, Neugebauer & Ubl 1998, sub-construction of a street
(Neugebauer 2000), and a camp-bath (Ubl 1995). In the 4th and 5th century A.D. the Late
Antique population of Klosterneuburg was not only composed of Romans but was
already strongly influenced by Germanic immigrants. The burials did not reveal a clear
separation between military and civilians

Batavi at Klosterneuberg:

early 2nd century AD Cohors secunda Batavorum
(the Second Cohort of the Batavians ) This cohort can be proven to have been in the Pannonian provincial army (exercitus pannonicus) since 98 AD (military diploma of 20 February 98) . Based on a few fragments of brick stamps with the imprint "II" and "BA" discovered in Klosterneuburg, Hannsjörg Ubl believes he can prove that this unit replaced the prima Montanorum . Another military diploma from Mautern on the Danube from the years 127/128-138 proves that they belonged to the Noric provincial army. Based on the brick stamp mentioned above, Ubl assumes that the Batavians must have appeared in Klosterneuburg before 128 and remained there until Hadrian's time .

A neonatal U106 grave is from the same time/space at the site. Maybe the son of a fellow soldier?


ID Date Burial YDNA Culture
I5748 2579-2211 calBCE Oostwoud, Noord-Holland DF19>Z302* Aceramic Single Grave/Beaker
I13028 2456-2141 calBCE Ottoland-Kromme, Zuid-Holland DF19>DF88* Barbed Wire Beaker
I26830 1620-1311 calBCE Wervershoof-Zwaagdijk, Noord-Holland DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281 Netherlands_MBA/Tumulus/Sögel-Wohlde
I17607 800-550 BCE Louny, Stradonice, Czech Republic DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281 Czech_IA_Hallstatt C or D
R10657 26 - 126 calCE Klosterneuburg, Austria DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>S9287 Batavi Archer/Auxiliary?
6DT23 c.250 CE Driffield Terrace, York, England DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281>S4268>Z17112>S17075> Z43034 Roman Britain [Batavi?]
RMPR31 400 CE Mausoleo di Augosto, Rome DF19>Z302>FT11655>Z8193>BY3448>Z39459 Unknown/Frisian? [Batavi?]
VK333 885 ± 69 CE Vickleby, Oland, Sweden DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243>Z17125>Z29034 Viking

Dewsloth
07-03-2022, 05:32 PM
New map at:
https://www.easymapmaker.com/map/2cc63294a615ae664fa3d5e37d130196

Note there are three pins in the Netherlands, the two Noord Holland sites are very close despite being 1000 years apart.


ID Date Burial YDNA Culture
I5748 2579-2211 calBCE Oostwoud, Noord-Holland DF19>Z302* Aceramic Single Grave/Beaker
I13028 2456-2141 calBCE Ottoland-Kromme, Zuid-Holland DF19>DF88* Barbed Wire Beaker
I26830 1620-1311 calBCE Wervershoof-Zwaagdijk, Noord-Holland DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281 Netherlands_MBA/Tumulus/Sögel-Wohlde
I17607 800-550 BCE Louny, Stradonice, Czech Republic DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281 Czech_IA_Hallstatt C or D
R10657 26 - 126 calCE Klosterneuburg, Austria DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>S9287 Batavi Auxiliary
6DT23 c.250 CE Driffield Terrace, York, England DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281>S4268>Z17112>S17075> Z43034 Roman Britain
RMPR31 400 CE Mausoleo di Augosto, Rome DF19>Z302>FT11655>Z8193>BY3448>Z39459 Unknown
VK333 885 ± 69 CE Vickleby, Oland, Sweden DF19>DF88>FGC11833>S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243>Z17125>Z29034 Viking