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JJJ
12-17-2019, 07:36 PM
Creo este hilo para no sobresaturar todavía más el otro hilo de en principio mis resultados genéticos. Y lo abro haciendo publicidad, ¿conocéis esto?

https://promethease.com/

Cargué mis datos y obtuve múltiples diagnósticos de enfermedades de todo tipo (una alegría para el cuerpo), datos como que poseo genes para los ojos y pelo claros aunque no se expresen en mí, que soy velocista osea tengo genes comunes entre sprinters y de larga distancia (je), sensible al sol tanto en mi piel como en los ojos, que tengo un fenotipo facial europeoide, etc. Estuvo bien siendo entretenido.
Se me olvidó comentar que mi grupo sanguíneo más probable es A según el informe.

De mi haplogrupo E- solo me citan 13 genes, mientras que en el R- 73 y el I- eslavo 39 (?). Esto es como la adivinación de haplogrupos paternos de MyTrueAncestry pero sin tomarte el pelo lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/060HKybY/haplogrupos.png (https://postimg.cc/060HKybY)

https://i.postimg.cc/VS8VNCLs/haplo2.png (https://postimg.cc/VS8VNCLs)

JJJ
12-20-2019, 01:08 PM
El modo conservador de 23andMe sirve para algo? a mi con suerte me dice que soy español o portugués junto con el imbatible 1% subsahariano y 0.9% de "fuera de Iberia", la verdad que visto así parece que tengo un ADN aburridísimo y genérico. Normal que el estándar sea el modo especulativo.

Lo del subsahariano es una forma sutil de decirme que soy un ser humano, jajaja.

https://i.postimg.cc/02QY7jCB/23cons.png

Endovelicus
12-20-2019, 04:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/dUEI8NA.png

En el modo conservador 23andMe, se mantuvo un pequeño porcentaje del componente italiano y vestigial del noroeste de Europa.
El porcentaje del componente nigeriano es idéntico al obtenido en el modo especulativo :lol:, pero el componente SSA restante casi ha desaparecido.

Ruderico
12-20-2019, 05:01 PM
Es probable que vuestro SSA, aunque mínimo, sea real. Yo solo tengo Spanish&Portuguese (49%), lo resto son broadlies. 89% European, 11% Unassigned

JJJ
12-20-2019, 05:46 PM
Edito.

Posiblemente sea la mejor estimación étnica que me han hecho hasta ahora: DNA.Land. Si juntase todas las calculadoras que me hice más las pruebas comerciales y el Global25 saldría algo parecido :) lástima de nativo americano.

https://i.imgur.com/EvKOZ52.png
https://i.imgur.com/5XXIUhn.png


En el modo conservador 23andMe, se mantuvo un pequeño porcentaje del componente italiano y vestigial del noroeste de Europa.
El porcentaje del componente nigeriano es idéntico al obtenido en el modo especulativo :lol:, pero el componente SSA restante casi ha desaparecido.

Casi te confirman que tienes un tatara nigeriano :lol: a mi el componente SSA más que en porcentaje me varían las ubicaciones, de poseer un 0.9% nigeriano a tener 0% y aumentar los broadlies que esa es otra, tengo el ADN más genérico comparado con vosotros. Conmigo solo es capaz de asegurarme que tengo poco más de un abuelo español o portugués en el conservador, parece una locura pero así es. Casi dudo de mis origenes :biggrin1:

Esta es la herencia autosómica y un abuelo supone un 25%:

https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

Recuerdo haber visto este modo de 23andMe en otros compañeros del foro pero no los recuerdo tan desastres como los nuestros. Hace falta mejorar mucho en la península ibérica. A Ruderico lo han interpretado mejor parece.

JJJ
12-21-2019, 09:18 PM
Los de 23andMe cambiaron no se qué rollo de la privacidad y muchos guiris se han achantado, ahora tengo 700 relativos menos pfff menudo desastre. Ahora queda así:

United States of America (150)
Mexico (90)
Spain (65)
Puerto Rico (52)
Cuba (33)
Colombia (28)
Portugal (19)
Brazil (15)
United Kingdom (13)
Dominican Republic (12)
Guatemala (12)
El Salvador (11)
Germany (11)
Ecuador (10)
Italy (10)
Chile (9)
France (6)
Peru (6)
Canada (5)
Cabo Verde (4)

rober_tce
12-22-2019, 01:20 AM
Edito.

Posiblemente sea la mejor estimación étnica que me han hecho hasta ahora: DNA.Land. Si juntase todas las calculadoras que me hice más las pruebas comerciales y el Global25 saldría algo parecido :) lástima de nativo americano.

https://i.imgur.com/EvKOZ52.png
https://i.imgur.com/5XXIUhn.png



Casi te confirman que tienes un tatara nigeriano :lol: a mi el componente SSA más que en porcentaje me varían las ubicaciones, de poseer un 0.9% nigeriano a tener 0% y aumentar los broadlies que esa es otra, tengo el ADN más genérico comparado con vosotros. Conmigo solo es capaz de asegurarme que tengo poco más de un abuelo español o portugués en el conservador, parece una locura pero así es. Casi dudo de mis origenes :biggrin1:

Esta es la herencia autosómica y un abuelo supone un 25%:

https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

Recuerdo haber visto este modo de 23andMe en otros compañeros del foro pero no los recuerdo tan desastres como los nuestros. Hace falta mejorar mucho en la península ibérica. A Ruderico lo han interpretado mejor parece.

De DNA Land hay opiniones de todos los colores. No puedo asegurar que su algoritmo sea el más acertado, pero ciertamente no recibí malos resultados y quedé satisfecho con ellos. Lo curioso fue que subí dos veces mi raw data, uno en formato My Heritage, y otro en formato FTDNA, y ambos me dieron resultados ligeramente diferentes, aunque en esencia vienen a significar lo mismo. Veo que tu SSA se confirma nuevamente con DNA Land, y como te dije en otro hilo, pienso que es muy posible que tengas algún ancestro subsahariano.

JJJ
12-23-2019, 01:36 PM
-Teorías locas por mí-

En diversas pruebas saco mezcla asiática oriental o sur de Asia por no hablar del nativo americano, y viendo en la nueva calculadora K13 los lugares Dai y Malay, pues bien una de ellas parece ser Filipina. Como bien sabéis fue una colonia española dejando posiblemente huella en la demografía local aunque sea minoritaria. Pero creo más bien que son ellos quienes se parecen a mí y no al revés, ¿se sabe algo de este tema?

Pruebas donde saco, pues los sospechosos habituales K15/K13 hasta en G25 con Han.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037
Aggregated
55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.2 Gambian
0.6 Han

distance%: 0.7

Spanish_Mallorca 30.42
French_Rennes_Bretagne 22.6
Sardinian 22.22
Moroccan_North 7.26
Dutch 7.2
Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 3.96
Belgian 3.53
Japanese 1.71
Basque_French 1.1

Nativo americano: MyHeritage y DNA.Land 1.3, 23andMe 0.2.

Target: Juan
Distance: 1.6023% / 1.60228496
44.2 Spanish_Aragon
20.8 Spanish_Valencia
16.6 French_Basque
8.2 Sardinian
3.6 Swiss_Italian
2.8 Yoruban
2.0 Austroasiatic_Ho
1.4 Yemenite_Jewish
0.2 Dai
0.2 Malay

https://anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34741&d=1574182567

https://anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34742&d=1574182583

Shadogowah
12-23-2019, 02:05 PM
Tiene pinta de ruido estadístico pero efectivamente puede que esté causado por los motivos que indicas.

Aunque hasta donde yo se la huella genética española en Filipinas es muy pequeña y geográficamente heterogénea.

JJJ
12-26-2019, 10:33 PM
Ploto cerca de Neptuno, pero al fin puedo usar las coordenadas Celta-Germanico:

https://i.postimg.cc/knmdCsHK/plotpcacvg.png

Y se desconfirma el SSA por FTDNA:

https://i.postimg.cc/3r5KyhSf/myorigins3.png

Hasta ahora LivingDNA, MyHeritage y FTDNA no me revelaron ni gota de ascendencia africana, pero todo lo demás si. Realmente el único incentivo que tengo para subir RAW's a otras compañias o pagar por ellas es por el tema africano que me baila bastante :)

Shadogowah
12-27-2019, 12:05 PM
El potpourri norteafricano-mediterrane-oriente medio parece que es un ovillo difícil de desentrañar.

Ruderico
12-27-2019, 01:05 PM
Ploto cerca de Neptuno, pero al fin puedo usar las coordenadas Celta-Germanico:

https://i.postimg.cc/knmdCsHK/plotpcacvg.png

Es porque no hay referencias de Iberia y Italia en ese plot
https://i.postimg.cc/Pqbv3nQ6/Ruderico-celt-germ.png

JJJ
12-27-2019, 01:25 PM
Paso de Neptuno a Jupiter.

https://i.postimg.cc/NM4y8W6W/plot.png

Ruderico
12-27-2019, 01:29 PM
Bueno, el mio es más extraño :)

JJJ
12-27-2019, 01:41 PM
Tu tiendes a irte a Saturno, definitivamente no parece que funcione mucho para nosotros. Muy poco celta tenemos :(

Ruderico
12-27-2019, 01:46 PM
Probablemente no tiene que ver con Celtas, pero tenemos poco drift germánico mismo para Ibéricos

Endovelicus
12-28-2019, 03:25 PM
Edito.

Posiblemente sea la mejor estimación étnica que me han hecho hasta ahora: DNA.Land. Si juntase todas las calculadoras que me hice más las pruebas comerciales y el Global25 saldría algo parecido :) lástima de nativo americano.

https://i.imgur.com/EvKOZ52.png
https://i.imgur.com/5XXIUhn.png


¿La transferencia de raw data a DNA.Land es gratuita?

JJJ
12-28-2019, 03:38 PM
¿La transferencia de raw data a DNA.Land es gratuita?

Si pero tarda un rato en procesar la información, unas 3 horas.

rober_tce
12-28-2019, 10:05 PM
Es un gran avance, antes tardaba mínimo una semana, algunos incluso no veían sus resultados en mes y medio. Lo que no ha cambiado es el algoritmo, utilizan las mismas muestras.

JJJ
12-29-2019, 03:41 PM
A falta de Gedmatch bueno es Admixture Studio, análisis cromosómico según esta calculadora:

https://i.postimg.cc/pL53x2MD/africa9.png
https://i.postimg.cc/xd2Q4kNk/africa9-2.png

Los porcentajes quedarían así:

Europeo 1280/2190
Sudoeste Asiatico 596/2190
NorteAfricano 252/2190
Subsahariano 62/2190

Regla de tres:

Europa 58.44%
Sudoeste de Asia 27.21%
Norte de África 11.51%
Subsahariano 2.83%

Parece coherente.

Edito: sección de investigación B)

La de cositas que se pueden hacer. analicé unos segmentos que me otorgaba 23andMe usando el K15. Algunos de los más interesantes para mí.
El ashkenazi.
https://i.postimg.cc/Dws5DyRH/judio.png

El "italiano".
https://i.postimg.cc/1X9KVGtZ/italiano.png

Subsahariano con plot y nMonte, K15 me interpreta uno como vasco francés.
https://i.postimg.cc/RVZRMLy7/subsahariano23andk15.png
https://i.postimg.cc/wjPF4RWh/subsahariano2.png

French & German con parte griega (!)
https://i.postimg.cc/KcNfSHqc/francesaleman.png

Broadly Northwestern european con Cerdeña y parte Noruega, supongo será de lo poco germánico que tengo.
https://i.postimg.cc/pTQZdGPZ/Broadly-Northwestern.png

Británico que es básicamente vasco francés con mezcla española.
https://i.postimg.cc/VvRDK7T6/britanico.png

Los no asignados :biggrin1:
https://i.postimg.cc/7YtNbTrp/Unassigned.png
https://i.postimg.cc/fLQCDnQy/unassigned2.png

Endovelicus
12-29-2019, 10:52 PM
Si pero tarda un rato en procesar la información, unas 3 horas.

El procesamiento fue más rápido.

:D
https://i.imgur.com/ZnzggcL.png

JJJ
12-29-2019, 11:14 PM
Parecido a los resultados de MyHeritage pero menos detallado, con menos regiones quicir.

Shadogowah
12-30-2019, 12:29 PM
He subido otra vez mis datos. Lo hice una vez hace tiempo y los borré. Tengo curiosidad por ver en qué se convierte ese porcentaje de "Mediterranean Islander" que me daba antes.

Shadogowah
12-30-2019, 09:46 PM
Esto no me lo esperaba.

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Endovelicus
12-30-2019, 09:54 PM
¿Qué resultados obtuviste antes?

JJJ
12-30-2019, 10:15 PM
No he visto tus demás resultados para comparar pero es muy homogéneo. No sé la razón por la cual me otorgan nativo americano, aunque he sospechado algún pariente algo gitanillo que produce ese ruido asiático lol. Claro, el algoritmo me ve españolazo con pincelada asiática pues ya esta, nativo americano :)

Shadogowah
12-31-2019, 06:57 AM
¿Qué resultados obtuviste antes?

Ningún algoritmo me había dado Ashkenazi hasta ahora.

Y la última vez DNA.land me daba un porcentaje significativo en "Mediterranean Islander"

Empecinado
12-31-2019, 08:41 AM
A mi en cambio me sale muy balcanico, algo que ningun calculador me habia dado antes:

https://i.imgur.com/ObWYxQW.jpg

Shadogowah
12-31-2019, 12:52 PM
Algunos algoritmos meten los Balcanes en Europa del Este y otros en un genérico Sur de Europa.

Ruderico
12-31-2019, 12:52 PM
Parece MyHeritage

Shadogowah
12-31-2019, 01:26 PM
No he visto tus demás resultados para comparar pero es muy homogéneo. No sé la razón por la cual me otorgan nativo americano, aunque he sospechado algún pariente algo gitanillo que produce ese ruido asiático lol. Claro, el algoritmo me ve españolazo con pincelada asiática pues ya esta, nativo americano :)

Si, soy bastante ibérico de bellota.

Pero siempre me ha picado la curiosidad si el ramalazo mediterráneo no iberico es norteafricano o de oriente medio (secretamente me gustaría tener algo fenicio)

Pero en lo que se refiere a ese 6% o 7% cada algoritmo me dice una cosa distinta.

JJJ
12-31-2019, 01:35 PM
Me parecían fiables los resultados pero viendo al resto no parece gran cosa y es algo aleatorio, ese 27% balcánico hace daño a la vista.

JJJ
12-31-2019, 06:45 PM
El rs12913832 alelo G del OCA2 que poseo es extremadamente poco común en el sur de Europa. Herencia por parte materna y de mi abuelo con apellido galaico-portugués.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5jrRLN3/oca2.png

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2011/10/pigmentation-genetics-of-europeans.html
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6jlbc5fJJZI/Vspy2nUvopI/AAAAAAAAEMQ/4MnBvngEMG8/s1600/rs12913832.png

Si no contase con más información aparte sería algo así como probablemente medio báltico, supongo que sucederá lo mismo con los haplogrupos.

Shadogowah
01-02-2020, 09:38 AM
Por la época en que aparecen esas mutaciones que proporcionan ojos claros (paleolítico), hacía mucho frío y casi toda Europa estaba deshabitada y cubierta de hielo. La gente vivía en torno a una estrecha franja que se extendía desde el Cantábrico a los Alpes.

Los primeros europeos con ojitos azules eran morenitos y habitaron probablemente el norte de España, Sur de Francia y norte de Italia y de ahí se extendieron hacia el resto de Europa conforme fue retrocediendo el hielo.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140126-blue-eye-spain-fossil-human-discovery-gene/

La piel clara por otra parte creo que fue una importación de los granjeros neolíticos que llegaron de oriente medio.

JJJ
01-03-2020, 12:07 PM
Endovelicus me preguntó si tenía las frecuencias de etnias por paises de 23andMe, bueno es algo similar:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml#23andMe

Al parecer puntuar "Broadly North-Western European" no es un capricho o falta de precisión sino una categoria con sustancia propia. Por ejemplo obtener porcentaje en esa categoría significa tener ascendencia germánica occidental.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Northwest_European.png

El mapa es bastante coherente con la historia ya que Galicia y el norte de Portugal en el oeste Ibérico poseen posiblemente más ascendencia germánica que el resto y según mis resultados (2.8%) es perfectamente homologable comparándolo con la mayoría de españoles.

Recuerdo que me dijeron (Ruderico :biggrin1:) que obtuve poco italiano, pues bien podría tener explicación.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Italian.png

Básicamente indicaría herencia romana no celta, y parece consistente al menos con Galicia.

Otra vez mis resultados son homologables con la mayoría de españoles aunque ésta por poco.

Donde más me diferenciaría con el resto de españoles una de ellas sería la categoría "French & German", que correlacionaría con las culturas Hallstatt y La Tène alpinas y bávaras. Solo parte de Cataluña y las Islas Baleares obtendrían un porcentaje parecido al mío.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_French_German.png

No sé hasta que punto esto es verídico o solo son fantasias eupedistas.

Ruderico
01-03-2020, 02:18 PM
Bueno, pienso que con los últimos updates eses mapas están muy obsoletos :\

JJJ
01-03-2020, 03:01 PM
Eso pensé, ojalá actualicen los mapas. Un mapa de frecuencias SSA revelaría muchas cosas :D
Norteafricano no pido por que ya se sabe.

Aunque sigue siendo coherente con resultados actuales, ví a un austriaco con +60% French/German y sacando un porcentaje en Broadly Southern European sin rastro Ibérico de algún tipo, solo uno italiano minoritario (como sugieren los mapas).

rober_tce
01-03-2020, 04:27 PM
Sentí curiosidad cuando hablasteis de DNA Land y subí mis dos raw data, he obtenido exactamente los mismos resultados que antes :rolleyes: Con los datos en bruto en formato My Heritage me da 1.3% Native Oceania :\ cosa que dudo mucho, así que me quedo con mis resultados en formato FTDNA, más realistas.

Endovelicus
01-03-2020, 06:22 PM
Endovelicus me preguntó si tenía las frecuencias de etnias por paises de 23andMe, bueno es algo similar:


Había visto estos mapas antes.

JJJ
01-03-2020, 07:04 PM
Ruderico muestra porcentaje ibérico similar a los vascos pero con aporte africano, está un poco como entremedio del oeste peninsular e influencia vasca. Quizá sea por eso que tenga tantas dificultades para encontrar cercanía con las muestras portuguesas/vascas y provoque que sus regiones más cercanas sean Asturias y Castilla y León. Aunque genealogicamente tiene ascendencia asturiana si tengo entendido así que no sé, teorías. Pero ese 85% es reveleador :)

Ruderico
01-03-2020, 08:05 PM
Si, mis resultados son más típicos de Asturias o Castilla-y-León, básicamente del norte centro/occidental de España.
Estos resultados son de un tío medio-Asturiano medio-Burgalés. En Trace tiene: 0.3% broadly East Asian and Native American y 0.2% Broadly Western Asian and North African. Son casi iguales a los mios

https://i.postimg.cc/rFwNb6ym/asturias-burgos.png

JJJ
01-03-2020, 08:36 PM
Lo que está claro es que tu ascendencia dominante es del norte, el mapa de eupedia muestra un gradiente de norte a sur. Tu ausencia de sombra italiana es igual a los vascos.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Iberian.png

En BroadlyS.European sacamos parecido entre los tres ubicándonos dentro del promedio y fuera de la zona navarra/vasca.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_South_European.png

Ruderico
01-04-2020, 06:05 PM
Esto no es de genetica, pero bueno..VOX ha publicado un mapa "curioso" de España en Twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENXSJTZXsAI50ac?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Shadogowah
01-04-2020, 08:46 PM
Esto no es de genetica, pero bueno..VOX ha publicado un mapa "curioso" de España en Twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENXSJTZXsAI50ac?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Meten Portugal y se olvidan de las islas Canarias y las Baleares.

No interpretes malicia sino simple estupidez.

Espero que para la próxima vez contraten un diseñador gráfico con estudios primarios.

Aunque tal como está la educación en España, quién sabe...

JJJ
01-04-2020, 10:10 PM
Bueno, Portugal quizá sea más española que las islas Canarias y Baleares. Puede no ser una locura de mapa.

Islas Canarias: pertenece a Marruecos.

Baleares: actualmente cedido a Alemania.

Aunque hablando de Marruecos tampoco han metido Ceuta y Melilla ni Gibraltar.

Spanish humor ;)

Ruderico
01-04-2020, 10:21 PM
Pedro Sánchez ha agradecido al BNG con un muy Portugués 'obrigado'. Los Reintegracionistas Gallegos deben estar muy felices :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/sX4FYCMP/obrigado.png

Shadogowah
01-04-2020, 11:24 PM
Prefiero no comentar sobre política española y Pedro Sánchez especialmente.

Me da demasiada vergüenza ajena.

JJJ
01-05-2020, 02:32 PM
Mapita casero que hice :D incluí Canarias no como el becario photoshopista de VOX

Frecuencia africana en Iberia, utilicé el spreadsheet de Dodecad K12b. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit#gid=0

Juan. Total African 8.04
Northwest African: 5.38
Subsaharan: 1.66
East African: 1

Portugal. Total African 8.5
NA: 7.7
SSA: 0.7
EA: 0.1

Extremadura. Total African 7.4
NA: 6
SSA: 0.4
EA: 1

Según el cálculo de mis resultados de esta calculadora me ubicaría en Extremadura muy cerquita de Portugal, vaya por Dios.

https://i.imgur.com/mTKlzL6.png

Endovelicus
01-06-2020, 06:19 PM
En cuanto a la frecuencia africana en los genomas ibéricos, existe claramente un gradiente oeste-este. Y este mapa corrobora esto.

En esta calculadora obtengo un resultado similar al suyo en la frecuencia africana total, aunque la contribución de cada componente es diferente. En su caso, la frecuencia total de África es casi exclusiva del componente del noroeste de África, mientras que en mi caso hay una contribución casi bipartita de los componentes del noroeste de África y el Subsahariano.

Endovelicus: total African 8.06
Northwest African: 4.48
Subsaharan: 3.19
East African: 0.39

JJJ
01-06-2020, 07:47 PM
Si es curioso, obtengo más norteafricano aquí y de alguna manera oprime el SSA pero tenemos casi exactamente los mismos "genes africanos" solo que se distribuye de manera algo aleatoria dependiendo de la calculadora. Esta me gusta por que diferencia el norte del sur sahariano siendo más explicita (por eso hice el mapa con esa), y mientras revele ese gradiente oeste-este como muestran los resultados académicos es que funciona.
Realmente casi cualquier calculadora funciona si se compara con los resultados de esa misma calculadora menos si se trata del K36.

JJJ
01-07-2020, 02:52 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/rpZcnwBw/shado.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y5A-hSpcDZE/TRunx6gIlZI/AAAAAAAABbI/kCssyOx5I0A/s1600/Definici%25C3%25B3n%2Bde%2Blupa..jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/C1Z0WV0H/shado2.png

Ruderico
01-07-2020, 03:05 PM
No lo veo así, ni conozco ningún report contra él

Shadogowah
01-07-2020, 04:01 PM
Ein?

Por qué salgo tachado?

Shadogowah
01-07-2020, 04:02 PM
Uhm.

Parece que yo también veo a otros usuarios como "Banned" cuando parecen estar perfectamente vivos y coleando.

Ruderico
01-07-2020, 04:06 PM
Uhm.

Parece que yo también veo a otros usuarios como "Banned" cuando parecen estar perfectamente vivos y coleando.

Vale, voy a reportar esto

Shadogowah
01-07-2020, 04:31 PM
Creía que Shazou seguía activo pero su último post es de finales de noviembre.

Puede que efectivamente esté baneado... pero como es que podéis leerme entonces?

Ruderico
01-07-2020, 04:35 PM
Creía que Shazou seguía activo pero su último post es de finales de noviembre.

Puede que efectivamente esté baneado... pero como es que podéis leerme entonces?

Yo no te veo baneado, ni conozco razón para eso. Ya he reportado al equipo, a ver que pasa

JJJ
01-07-2020, 07:04 PM
Comparando resultados con un francés de Aquitania, el más cercano:

https://i.postimg.cc/SNsw-cvbW/aquitano.png

Su porcentaje de ibérico es considerable, pero su "francés/alemán" es bajo.

Ruderico
01-07-2020, 07:20 PM
Joder, más de 95%, fantastico :lol:

JJJ
01-07-2020, 07:32 PM
Es el padre de todos los ibéricos :lol:

Endovelicus
01-07-2020, 07:42 PM
Aquitania está geográfica y genéticamente cerca de Iberia, pero reconozco que 95% es realmente alto... :lol:

Massam
01-07-2020, 08:57 PM
Comparando resultados con un francés de Aquitania, el más cercano:

https://i.postimg.cc/SNsw-cvbW/aquitano.png

Su porcentaje de ibérico es considerable, pero su "francés/alemán" es bajo.

Francés de Toulouse :D


35766

Es muy possible que este Aquitano viene de las Landas.

JJJ
01-07-2020, 09:36 PM
No me había percatado, pero los lugares de origen de sus abuelos dan para hablar :biggrin1:

Todos son/eran del departamento de Pyrénées-Atlantiques.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxe-Sumberraute

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monein

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lasseube

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masparraute

Es muy vasco, no me extraña ese porcentaje ibérico.

rober_tce
01-10-2020, 01:06 PM
95% de ibérico en 23andme es realmente alto. Seguro que tiene que ver por la cercanía geográfica con las regiones vascas.

JJJ
01-13-2020, 04:45 PM
He intentado condensar los componentes en la medida de lo posible separándolos siguiendo un criterio geográfico y arbitrario por parte mía saliendo esto, promedios del K15. Hacer un mapa solo de Iberia es menos interesante puesto que hay menos diferencias y los hay pero a nivel continental no en pequeñas zonas. Supero el promedio español = verde, no llego al promedio = rojo.
No sabía donde encuadrar "West Med" parece un término muy vago y general ni es específico del sur de Europa.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit#gid=1872836177

Juan
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 50.92
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 4.96
Mediterranean (West Med): 25.52
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 3.20
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 11.99
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 3.37

Iberia (Total Average)
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 49.98
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 9.37
Mediterranean (West Med): 22
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 1.86
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 15.75
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1

Sus regiones.
Portugal
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 48.23
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 9.57
Mediterranean (West Med): 21.63
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 2.91
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 16.41
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.27

Spanish Extremadura
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 48.35
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 8.33
Mediterranean (West Med): 21.52
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 2.43
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 18.51
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.86

Spanish Galicia
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 48.1
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 10.58
Mediterranean (West Med): 21.78
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 2.48
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 15.83
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.22

Spanish Andalucia
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 47.11
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 9.03
Mediterranean (West Med): 23.22
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 1.84
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 17.78
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.01

Spanish Aragon
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 53.14
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 8.28
Mediterranean (West Med): 23.34
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.55
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 13.81
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.85

Spanish Cantabria
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 51.98
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 10.22
Mediterranean (West Med): 23.95
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 1.52
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 11.44
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.91

Spanish Castilla la Mancha
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 50.93
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 8.26
Mediterranean (West Med): 22.53
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 1.68
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 15.99
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.6

Spanish Castilla y Leon
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 50.36
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 9.64
Mediterranean (West Med): 20.82
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 2.76
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 15.73
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.69

Spanish Cataluña
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 51.37
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 10.98
Mediterranean (West Med): 20.7
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 1.06
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 14.71
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.16

Spanish Murcia
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 49.8
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 8.3
Mediterranean (West Med): 20.83
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 2.24
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 17.34
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.5

Spanish Valencia
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 50.31
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 9.87
Mediterranean (West Med): 21.94
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.9
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 15.67
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.29

Paises cercanos.

South West French
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 52.05
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 13.94
Mediterranean (West Med): 23.54
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 9.77
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.65

Basque French
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 62.25
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 7.65
Mediterranean (West Med): 25.04
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.21
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 4.3
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.54

French
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 54.3
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 14.63
Mediterranean (West Med): 15.53
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.18
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 14.21
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 1.15

North Italian
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 41.1
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 10.89
Mediterranean (West Med): 21.63
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.1
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 26.02
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.62

South Italian
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 22.45
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 6.7
Mediterranean (West Med): 18.4
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.97
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 50.5
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.93

Austrian
West European/North European (Atlantic, North Sea): 43.76
East European/North Asian (Eastern Euro, Baltic, Siberian): 31.67
Mediterranean (West Med): 8.86
African (Northeast African, Subsaharan): 0.15
Radius Southwestern Asia (East Med, Red Sea, West Asia): 14.62
Pacific (South Asian, Southeast Asian, Oceanian, Amerindian): 0.93

Endovelicus
01-13-2020, 06:30 PM
West-Med está relacionado con Cerdeña. Creo que los Sardos tienen los valores más altos de este componente.

JJJ
01-13-2020, 09:37 PM
Este articulo lleva tiempo (año 2016) pero es bastante revelador sobre las compañias de prueba genéticas:

https://dna-explained.com/2016/02/10/ethnicity-testing-a-conundrum/

Me quedo con el resumen de que según la autora son capaces de diferenciar con bastante precisión la ascendencia entre continentes pero no dentro de ellos, además de poder detectar ascendencia judía con precisión especialmente en caso de poseer porcentajes altos.
Lo decía por que ambas cosas me lo han detectado varias compañías el subsahariano y un rastro judío.

23andMe: 1% SSA, 0.1% Ashkenazi.
MyHeritage: 9% Ashkenazi.
Dna.Land: 3.8% SSA, 3.8% Ashkenazi.

Pero hay que echarle sal a estas pruebas como dicen los anglos.

rober_tce
01-14-2020, 11:25 PM
El artículo es muy interesante, y me gusta la parte donde recalca que no hay que quedarse solo con los porcentajes de mezcla, y que si queremos conocer la veracidad de los porcentajes minoritarios hay que tirar de genealogía genética, no hay más, de hecho es más importante esto que la estimación de mezcla, cuyos algoritmos varían ligeramente de una empresa a otra. Gracias a eso descubrí mi herencia judía en mi genoma, incluso apunta a herencia británica, aunque aún no he descubierto qué segmento cromosómico en concreto agrupa a mis matches británicos, me pondré a ello un día de estos.

JJJ
01-21-2020, 08:09 PM
......


unscaled
Italian_Lombardy + Spanish_Asturias 0.015514
Italian_Bergamo + Spanish_Asturias 0.015795
Italian_Lombardy + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.015967
Spanish_Asturias + Spanish_Baleares 0.016166


Italian_Lombardy + Italian_Lombardy + Spanish_Asturias + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.015213
Italian_Lombardy + Spanish_Asturias + Spanish_Asturias + Spanish_Baleares 0.015328
Italian_Lombardy + Spanish_Asturias + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.015407
Italian_Lombardy + Italian_Lombardy + Spanish_Asturias + Spanish_Cantabria 0.015416

scaled
Italian_Liguria + Spanish_Canarias 0.045536
Roma_Barcelona + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.045584
Roma_Barcelona + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.045910
Roma_Barcelona + Spanish_Galicia 0.046006


Italian_Lombardy + Roma_Porto + Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Pais_Vasco 0.041575
Italian_Liguria + Roma_Porto + Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Pais_Vasco 0.041590
Italian_Liguria + Roma_Barcelona + Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.041845
Italian_Liguria + Italian_Lombardy + Roma_Barcelona + Spanish_Canarias 0.041897

Ruderico
01-21-2020, 08:56 PM
Congratulaciones, con scaled eres un cuarto vasco y un cuarto gitano :lol:

JJJ
01-21-2020, 09:07 PM
Congratulaciones, con scaled eres un cuarto vasco y un cuarto gitano :lol:

Si, cada vez me sacan algo diferente.

Endovelicus
01-21-2020, 11:37 PM
......

¿Cuáles son estos resultados?

He estado tan ocupado que ni siquiera he podido venir aquí para conocer los nuevos modelos y mapas creados por Ph2ter.

JJJ
01-22-2020, 07:50 AM
¿Cuáles son estos resultados?

He estado tan ocupado que ni siquiera he podido venir aquí para conocer los nuevos modelos y mapas creados por Ph2ter.

Admix2 y Admix4 G25
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19461-G25-Admix4-and-Admix2

Mapa de diagramas moderno (requiere donación)
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19385-Full-G25-Modern-spreadsheet-map-diagrams

Mapa de diagramas antiguo (requiere donación)
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19306-ph2ter-s-G25-Ancient-samples-similarity-diagram-maps

Ruderico
01-22-2020, 09:55 AM
http://turismo.elda.es/que-ver/yacimiento-arqueologico/

https://elpais.com/cultura/2020/01/17/actualidad/1579257998_247682.html?ssm=whatsapp&fbclid=IwAR1uWQT1-i338v2d2eoiEbs2pHy3S_GO4uSI3SntfYUO0weOiwmH5ajuUZo





El yacimiento arqueológico El Monastil (Bien de Interés Cultural), de titularidad municipal, es uno de los elementos más representativos y ricos del patrimonio histórico de Elda.
Está situado en la partida rural del mismo nombre, en las estribaciones orientales de la sierra de la Torreta. Rodeado por el río Vinalopó, ocupa una extensión aproximada de 3.5 hectáreas. El acceso principal se realiza por la ladera meridional, conectada a la entrada norte (Elda-Hospital) desde la autovía A-31 (Madrid-Alicante).
La ocupación de este asentamiento se fecha entre finales del tercer milenio a.C. (Calcolítico) y la época almohade (siglo XIII), con un especial desarrollo entre la cultura ibérica y el periodo romano.
A lo largo de su historia, El Monastil ha mantenido una constante posición central en el corredor del río Vinalopó, constituyéndose, dentro del valle de Elda, en un hito en la frontera tradicional entre el Alto y el Medio Vinalopó. Ha sido, igualmente, lugar estratégico para controlar las principales vías de comunicación históricas entre las comarcas centromeridionales costeras alicantinas y el interior de la península.
Asentamiento de la Edad del Bronce y enclave del período orientalizante, se convierte en un importante oppidum iberorromano, jerarquizando el territorio del Medio y Alto Vinalopó durante la segunda mitad del primer milenio a. C. La mayor parte de los restos constructivos se sitúan en el espolón alargado más elevado del yacimiento, la zona alta del poblado, donde se conservan restos de un urbanismo ibérico, romano y tardorromano que muestra viviendas de tendencia rectangular adaptadas a las irregularidades del lugar, reutilizadas a lo largo de estos períodos, y articuladas en torno a una calle central que se divide en dos viales hacia la parte occidental del asentamiento.
En la ladera meridional del poblado se ubican los restos de un sistema defensivo iberorromano que fortificó el acceso al oppidum, y que posiblemente se reutilizó en los períodos bajoimperial y tardoantiguo. Extramuros se conservan los restos de un singular almacén de cereal, ubicado en la terraza meridional principal que, a su vez, alberga un conjunto de estructuras domésticas y artesanales adscritas fundamentalmente a los períodos ibérico y romano. Durante este último período, El Monastil se asocia tradicionalmente a la mansión Ad Ello del Itinerario de Antonino.
Destacan los vestigios de tres hornos pertenecientes a una alfarería de época romana tardorrepublicana e inicios del período imperial, así como un pequeño horno metalúrgico adscrito a la misma etapa. En las terrazas más cercanas al río, al sur de la carretera CV-8352, se han localizado restos cerámicos y vestigios de monumentos funerarios ibéricos.
La parte alta del poblado se abandona a lo largo del Alto Imperio. Tras un amplio paréntesis cronológico, durante el período bajoimperial la zona se preocupa, continuando el hábitat hasta el período bizantino-visigodo, e iniciando su ocaso y abandono definitivo durante la época islámica emiral.
En el período tardoantiguo destaca la hipótesis que vincula El Monastil con la debatida sede episcopal de Elo de los textos conciliares toledanos. Precisamente en el extremo occidental de la parte alta del yacimiento se conservan los vestigios de una iglesia cristiana de esta etapa. Esta iglesia, que muestra signos de abandono y posible reutilización en la primera época islámica, pudo ser utilizada como al-munastir. Esta denominación ha permanecido sustancialmente en el actual nombre de la partida y del yacimiento arqueológico.
En conjunto, el yacimiento arqueológico muestra un relevante conjunto de construcciones y vestigios materiales de los siguientes períodos: Calcolítico, Edad del Bronce, Orientalizante, Ibérico -antiguo, pleno y final-, Romano -republicano, altoimperial, bajoimperial-, Tardoantiguo -bizantino y visigodo-, Islámico emiral y, en menor medida, de las épocas califal y almohade.




Unos pequeños objetos circulares de plomo encontrados en el yacimiento de El Monastil, en la localidad alicantina de Elda, han resuelto un enigma que se arrastraba desde el siglo XIX. Los expertos de la Universidad de Alicante y del museo arqueológico de la localidad ya pueden afirmar que “el primer monasterio bizantino de la península Ibérica” ha sido identificado.

En el siglo VI, el emperador Justiniano estableció la obligación de guardar pesos del Estado en las iglesias principales de cada ciudad. Allí los comerciantes debían demostrar que los pesos que ellos utilizaban en las transacciones económicas se correspondían con los oficiales. “Las iglesias”, explica Antonio Manuel Poveda, profesor universitario de Historia Antigua y director de Museo Arqueológico de Elda, “funcionaban como garantes de que no se engañaba a los compradores de metales preciosos y que las monedas se correspondían con su valor real. Si las operaciones eran fraudulentas, el ingreso por impuestos era menor”. Y así el cenobio de El Monastil funcionó como sede administrativa y fiscal bizantina por orden del emperador.


La investigación ha durado casi 25 años “debido a las dificultades de identificación de los restos arquitectónicos y mobiliario litúrgico hallados”, explica Poveda. Se habían encontrado muchas pistas en este tiempo, pero nada era concluyente. Ahora los resultados de las últimas investigaciones sí lo son: lo que se había identificado como un yacimiento romano o visigodo en la parte más elevada de un cerro a las afueras de Elda, ha resultado ser una basílica bizantina, la primera desenterrada en España.


El primero que señaló la presencia de posibles restos del monasterio fue el archivero municipal Lamberto Amat en 1873, si bien no pudo datar su construcción. Hace 50 años, el Centro Excursionista Eldense encontró también gran cantidad de materiales arqueológicos, pero tampoco fue capaz de identificarlos. En los años ochenta, el arqueólogo Enrique Llobregat sí confirmó la “existencia de un monasterio cristiano” en la cima. Relacionó algunos fragmentos con “un altar sigmático [de estilo griego] de mármol”.

Ahora además del conjunto de pesos con inscripciones en griego, en las últimas excavaciones dirigidas por Antonio Manuel Poveda se ha hallado una gran basa octogonal de columna, típica de la arquitectura bizantina y única hasta la fecha en toda la Península. También un pyxide o cajita cilíndrica de marfil decorada con la escena de Hércules capturando a la cierva de Cerinea, donde se guardaban las obleas sagradas litúrgicas. La inclusión de esta imagen en la caja responde a los intentos de los bizantinos de fundir su ascendencia greco-oriental con el cristianismo occidental.


En este centro religioso —la iglesia conventual ocupaba un área de unos 84 metros cuadrados— también se han hallado e identificado diversos instrumentos metálicos para el ritual litúrgico bizantino, como una cucharilla (coclear) y un diminuto cuchillito (lancia), ambos usados para manipular y ofertar las hostias sagradas antes y durante la comunión. Estos objetos “constituyen el único conjunto hispano identificado hasta la fecha como perteneciente al ritual cristiano bizantino en España”, detalla Poveda.


Además, se han documentado materiales cerámicos norteafricanos, orientales y locales, que ofrecen fechas de la segunda mitad del siglo VI, la misma cronología que tiene una pequeña necrópolis localizada a unos 200 metros cuando en 1991 se construía la vía de servicio de una autovía A-31. Entonces se desenterraron 10 tumbas con 16 cuerpos, cuatro de los cuales portaban anillos grabados con la letra sigma y uno de ellos con una cruz griega. “Teníamos muchos elementos sueltos, pero nada que nos confirmase con total seguridad que se trataba de un monasterio bizantino”, señala el profesor.

Poveda destaca que tras el descubrimiento de los pesos no hay dudas: se trata de una “iglesia bizantina perteneciente a un monasterio greco-oriental, con arquitectura y mobiliario de factura y naturaleza bizantina”. Todo esto convierte El Monastil en un yacimiento arqueológico único y “muy importante para ilustrar una fase excepcional y difícil de conocer en España”.


Poco antes de 610, los visigodos derrotaron a los bizantinos y crearon en El Monastil una sede episcopal (Elo) dependiente de Toledo a la espera de tomar la cercana Elche. Cuando cayó la ciudad ilicitana, ya no era necesario el obispado de Elo (Ella en la Edad Media, Elda en la actualidad). “Lo curioso”, bromea Poveda, “es que la Iglesia, como la nobleza, nunca elimina un título, por lo que por alguna parte debe de estar el obispo de Elo”, el asentamiento donde se alzó el primer monasterio bizantino de la Península. “Seguro que aún no lo sabe”, bromea encogiéndose de hombros.

JJJ
01-25-2020, 01:48 PM
Aquí pongo algunos ejemplos de composiciones étnicas de MyHeritage para comparar un poco con los de 23andMe. Sin duda parece ser mucho más aleatorio y presenta etnicidades de forma muy extrema y brusca, como por ejemplo el aporte africano que o tienes mucho o no tienes nada, lo mismo ocurre con el pseudo "Europa del Norte y del Oeste".

Extremadura
https://i.postimg.cc/QCjXZJTm/Extremadura1.png

Madrid
https://i.postimg.cc/0228tZx2/madrid3.png

Madrid
https://i.postimg.cc/y6T1XtMb/Madrid2.png

Madrid
https://i.postimg.cc/1XMymV0Q/madrid1.png

No pone de dónde es pero tiene apellido catalanoide
https://i.postimg.cc/fTNhFCN0/pseudocatalan.png

JJJ
01-30-2020, 11:06 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Bognanco_SanLorenzo_veduta.jpg

El otro día vi la partida de bautismo de mi abuelo y descubrí un apellido de mi tataraabuelo que parece tener chicha, en principio no le dí importancia puesto que es muy parecido a otro apellido navarro conocido (Salinas) y me dije para adentro "otro apellido toponímico más". Para empezar esta es su frecuencia (minoritaria) actual en España:

https://i.postimg.cc/L6RBNSsY/Salina-INE.png

Bien, según Geneanet esta es su incidencia global:

https://i.postimg.cc/8zzdgbMT/Salina-Genanet.png

Europa Occidental.

https://i.postimg.cc/4x26fhQV/Salina-Gen2.png

España y norte de África, no parece ser muy navarro, no?

https://i.postimg.cc/5tZ8vdGt/Salina-Gen-Espa-ay-Argelia.png

Su mayor incidencia en Europa occidental radica en el norte de Italia, cerca de la frontera con Suiza.

https://i.postimg.cc/zDwTLQkJ/Salina-Gen-Nortede-Italiay-Suiza.png

Uno de los puntos calientes se ubica cerca de Bognanco, siendo la imagen que puse al principio de todo. Un pueblo que entre 1861 y 2001 perdió 900 habitantes:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bognanco

https://i.postimg.cc/tJz6L1g1/Salina-Gen-Punto-Caliente-Norte-Italiano.png

Aleppo, raro no?

https://i.postimg.cc/XvZwp7sh/Salina-Gen-Levante-Aleppo.png

Parece ser un apellido que viaja bastante aunque podría ser italiano o italo-judío por su movimiento y forma de la palabra. Argentina es el segundo país con más incidencia según forebear y es lo que esperaría de ser un apellido italiano, Italia segundo de Europa por detrás de Rusia (!). Bangladés primero.

https://i.postimg.cc/yxhhsQL8/Salina-Forebear.png

Hasta que Shadogowah o rober no se manifiesten no fantasearé más, pero como haya que darles un punto a las empresas comerciales de génetica por detectar la herencia sutil judía pues se les da :biggrin1:

Editado: http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-viaggi-e-tradizioni-italia?t=cognomi&cognome=salina&x=0&y=0#.XjMYu2hKjIV

Aunque lo más probable es que mi primera impresión sea verdadera ya que encontré a varias personas con apellido Salina y De Salina, comportándose igual como sucede con el apellido navarro Salinas y éste es más frecuente en la zona vasca, aragonesa y sudeste de Andalucía.
Más que una errata sería una variante.
De italiano a posible vasco-navarro, aragonés o almeriense, bajada de libido considerable.
Luego dicen que no hay que llevarse por la primera impresión.

De un tren a Busan paso a uno de Wuhan, me quedo igual.

JJJ
02-01-2020, 02:01 PM
Afrikaners de todo tipo han dejado sus semillas huellas en toda la península desde el este al oeste, por eso queremos que alquiles un apartamento mediante Airbnb para comprobarlo. ¿Qué tal un apartamento en Cádiz? ¿o clases de paellita? :D

https://i.postimg.cc/g0SKGgMb/airbnb.png

JJJ
02-03-2020, 07:42 PM
No puedo editar así que publico por 4ª vez consecutiva, bueno es spam.

LivingDNA ahora incluye la corona de Castilla y la de Aragón, pero los llama "West y East" respectivamente. Me parece que están perdiendo el norte o es que necesitan la saliva de los medidores de cráneos españoles.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/mlXFcSyC-sBDrCrwMNlSjMIMSB9-_24aNMnrZHLapVQ_ImqgkPAo-NFGMb3gUKc8HX7ZAGzbl5Ryy32cqgbfrkhHuhQgcUK2MQtXvf6 gTm8I2If089P5aRVhTYoQJyQeYBsW6S6Q

Shadogowah
02-03-2020, 08:16 PM
No puedo editar así que publico por 4ª vez consecutiva, bueno es spam.

LivingDNA ahora incluye la corona de Castilla y la de Aragón, pero los llama "West y East" respectivamente. Me parece que están perdiendo el norte o es que necesitan la saliva de los medidores de cráneos españoles.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/mlXFcSyC-sBDrCrwMNlSjMIMSB9-_24aNMnrZHLapVQ_ImqgkPAo-NFGMb3gUKc8HX7ZAGzbl5Ryy32cqgbfrkhHuhQgcUK2MQtXvf6 gTm8I2If089P5aRVhTYoQJyQeYBsW6S6Q

Castilla y Aragón es lo que ves en el mapa.

Amigo mío, vaya carrerón que llevas con la geografía

Como te lean los primos portugueses te van a llover palos por todos lados.

Shadogowah
02-07-2020, 06:17 PM
Metiendo el dedo en el ojo...

El alcalde de Oporto propone unir Portugal y España (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc.es/internacional/abci-alcalde-oporto-propone-unir-portugal-y-espana-bajo-nombre-iberolux-202002061302_noticia_amp.html)

Lo que ya tarda es tener líneas de alta velocidad enlazando Madrid y Lisboa.

JJJ
02-11-2020, 03:26 PM
Por diversión.

Tuve una idea al querer hacer un modelo G25 intentando emular a los reinos medievales españoles/portugueses, el mayor problema que tuve es al intentar captar el rastro morisco/judío/bereber puesto que es difícil hacerlos reflejar asi que acepto consejos de todo tipo. He utilizado promedios modernos escalados.

Probablemente Shado me de algún azote en el culo por utilizar designaciones algo cuestionables o incurrir en gazapos históricos, pero he tirado de Wikipedia mayormente :biggrin1:

Las muestras germanas modernas son para captar algo pre-islámico o godo. En cuanto lo romano y pre-romano pido consejos, no quiero hacer una tesis doctoral ni que sea algo exacto.

Me ha salido esto (Vahaduo):

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.3914% / 0.02391357
36.2 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
35.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
8.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
7.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles
6.4 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla
3.4 Vascongadas_Castilla
2.0 Germano
2.0 Subsahariano



Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02910453 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03060658 Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces:Spanish_Andalucia
0.03207120 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Murcia:Spanish_Murcia
0.03254586 Reino_Portugal:Portuguese
0.03321372 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Extremadura:Spanish_Ext remadura
0.03357197 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Galicia:Spanish_Galicia
0.03396093 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias:Spanish_Asturi as
0.03519913 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Toledo:Spanish_Castilla_La_M ancha
0.03564540 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Valencia
0.03572431 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon:Spanish_Aragon
0.03575547 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Alacant
0.03579724 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Menorca
0.03689213 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Eivissa
0.03763331 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Cataluna
0.03866352 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Cantabria
0.03918715 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Tortosa:Spanish_Terres_de _l'Ebre
0.03940735 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Cerdanya:Spanish_Pirineu
0.04021304 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Barcelones
0.04023849 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Mallorca
0.04029485 Corona_Castilla_Ultramar:Spanish_Canarias
0.04040945 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04043393 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Lleida/Urgell:Spanish_Lleida
0.04043567 Reino_Navarra_Castilla:Spanish_Navarra
0.04049958 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Camp_de_Ta rragona
0.04083485 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Girona:Spanish_Girona
0.04144940 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Castello
0.04211928 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Penedes
0.04475044 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga:Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05066392 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Corcega:French_Corsica
0.05277034 Vascongadas_Castilla:Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.05346550 Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_French
0.05520648 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Soria
0.05681773 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05990206 Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_Spanish
0.06508679 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Marche
0.06527679 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Umbria
0.06939643 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_West
0.06949060 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Lazio
0.07452841 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Abruzzo
0.07516703 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Molise
0.07871621 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_East
0.07944115 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Apulia
0.08153223 Germano:German
0.08174393 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Basilicata
0.08394744 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Campania
0.08649644 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Calabria
0.09286965 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena:Sardinian
0.09383446 Germano:German_East
0.10107408 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Sephardic_Jew
0.10272499 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Moroccan_Jew
0.10345846 Germano:Swedish
0.11795816 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Libyan_Jew
0.17625417 Al-Andalusi_Morisco::Moroccan_North
0.18670272 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.19002004 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Sen
0.20764523 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Mozabite
0.22426493 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan
0.23277096 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_ERR
0.24560992 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Saharawi
0.25050918 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.30675162 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_South
0.40424267 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Algeria
0.70732090 Subsahariano:Luhya_Kenya
0.71125718 Subsahariano:Bantu_Kenya
0.71544005 Subsahariano:Gambian
0.72930647 Subsahariano:Bantu_S.W.
0.73600881 Subsahariano:Kongo
0.73962900 Subsahariano:Bantu_S.E.
0.74204841 Subsahariano:Yoruba
0.78186055 Subsahariano:Baka

Spreadsheet:


Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon:Spanish_Aragon,0.119514 2,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Barcelones ,0.1192866,0.1490798,0.045707,0.0046512,0.0459162, 0.0033466,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Camp_de_Ta rragona,0.1190875,0.1444591,0.0421904,0.0020995,0. 0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Cataluna,0 .114582,0.1462363,0.0458833,0.0023687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Penedes,0. 1217908,0.1458668,0.0408662,0.0047275,0.0420497,0. 0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga:Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0.12432,0.1492828, 0.0441231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Cerdanya:Spanish_Pirineu,0.1 219803,0.1465747,0.0426775,0.002584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Girona:Spanish_Girona,0.1213 354,0.1459315,0.0418982,0.0032946,0.0411769,0.0016 175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Lleida/Urgell:Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0.1468006,0.042991 8,0.0020457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Tortosa:Spanish_Terres_de _l'Ebre,0.1220184,0.1468458,0.0414078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Castello,0.12 03273,0.1462361,0.0434766,0.0011536,0.045283,-0.0015539,-0.001175,0.0011867,0.0240169,0.0348331,-0.0056141,0.0068511,-0.0159703,-0.0151189,0.0078719,0.0046974,0.0027569,0.0013937,-0.0008799,-0.0002679,0.0057756,0.0004063,-0.0064089,-0.002169,0.0005646
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Alacant,0.113 4437,0.1465747,0.0372092,0.0002692,0.0413408,-0.002789,-0.0051308,0.001769,0.023486,0.0313143,-0.0050883,0.0085173,-0.0154857,-0.0118125,0.0104505,0.0032708,-0.0015428,0.0001057,-0.0040433,-0.0055652,0.0040345,-0.0004122,-0.0041903,-0.001707,0.0031333
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Valencia,0.11 79965,0.1446283,0.0408548,-0.0008882,0.0464702,-0.0014408,-0.0019975,0.0016346,0.0231624,0.0332581,-0.0030042,0.0083301,-0.0128593,-0.0123401,0.0096022,-0.0008507,-0.0046938,-0.0017209,-0.001236,-0.0009171,0.0055735,-0.0013706,-0.0020438,-0.0051411,0.0020557
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Mallorca,0.11 76172,0.1479288,0.0389273,0.0010767,0.039392,-0.0013632,0.0003917,0.0030768,0.0174073,0.0279429,-0.0030313,0.0062778,-0.0155598,-0.0084102,0.0064392,0.0025192,0.0013618,0.001464,-0.0008798,-0.0013479,0.0009703,0.0007558,-0.0017529,0.0002009,-0.0002394
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Menorca,0.115 72,0.1475903,0.036832,-0.0060293,0.042777,-0.0016733,0.00141,0.0001537,0.0216793,0.02934,-0.002219,0.0092913,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.0028727,-0.0028247,0.0013937,-0.00088,-0.0017923,0.0032857,0.0019373,0.0010683,-0.006627,-0.0058677
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Eivissa,0.116 1872,0.1467051,0.0376541,-0.0040251,0.0397233,-0.0034111,0.0002712,0.0031417,0.0206569,0.0299145,-0.0025234,0.0074242,-0.0122246,-0.0085537,0.0088218,0.0009688,-0.0036809,-0.0029237,-0.0023785,-0.0039826,0.0032538,0.0018168,-0.0017445,-0.0001853,-0.0014738
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena:Sardinian,0.1206524,0. 1679686,0.0276806,-0.0515508,0.0603188,-0.0224786,-0.003478,0.004292,0.0427048,0.0798558,-0.0020784,0.0158856,-0.0270266,-0.0131842,-0.0132192,-0.004614,0.0120476,-0.0013176,0.0017596,-0.012931,-0.0050908,-0.0042044,-0.0097122,-0.021087,0.0008382
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Corcega:French_Corsica,0.12032 73,0.1518216,0.0195294,-0.0230022,0.0350394,-0.0100401,-0.0018464,-0.0005604,0.0157044,0.0337918,-0.0006031,0.0074612,-0.0132308,-0.0071074,-0.004537,-0.0005968,0.0040419,0.0012489,0.0024511,-0.0030461,-0.0003923,0.0002474,-0.0025793,-0.0013858,-0.0005303
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_East,0.103199 7,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_West,0.100164 3,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126 848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Apulia,0.11071 19,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Basilicata,0.1 092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Calabria,0.102 8203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Campania,0.107 7999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Lazio,0.114676 8,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Marche,0.11766 46,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Molise,0.11268 5,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Umbria,0.11711 13,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias:Spanish_Asturi as,0.110408,0.144205,0.045632,0.000646,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Cantabria,0 .119514,0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_La_Rioja,0. 121791,0.152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Soria,0.121 791,0.1421745,0.0499685,0.0075905,0.0475475,0.0012 55,-0.0029375,-0.001269,0.0206565,0.0374495,-0.010474,0.01139,-0.017393,-0.0228455,0.0114005,0.0145185,0.01356,-0.002914,-0.0040855,-0.0006875,-0.000312,-0.001422,-0.003759,-0.0059045,-0.0020955
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Toledo:Spanish_Castilla_La_M ancha,0.1155305,0.1480135,0.040352,-0.00323,0.0420845,-0.004811,-0.0017038,0.0017308,0.024645,0.0339415,-0.0021108,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.0010605,-0.0060302,-0.00019,-0.0001257,-0.000688,0.005459,0.0014837,-0.0010477,-0.003886,-0.0010778
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon ,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Extremadura,0.1 050967,0.1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Galicia:Spanish_Galicia,0.10 87643,0.1464619,0.0410642,-0.0016509,0.0412043,-9.29e-05,-0.0054572,0.0024231,0.0247133,0.0300285,-0.0021291,0.0057365,-0.0126113,-0.0121567,0.0111441,0.0005893,-0.0042375,-0.0021607,-0.0050418,-0.0010076,0.0008734,-0.002899,-0.0008079,-0.0036818,0.0013038
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Murcia:Spanish_Murcia,0.1092 7,0.142936,0.0379005,-0.005814,0.0454698,-0.0020918,-0.0049938,-0.003346,0.0252588,0.03221,-0.00341,0.0034095,-0.012376,-0.0108035,0.004716,-0.0014255,0.0010105,0.0008555,-6.28e-05,0.0010005,0.0050222,-0.0029368,-0.000678,-0.0030122,0.0019758
Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces:Spanish_Andalucia ,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Corona_Castilla_Ultramar:Spanish_Canarias,0.081293 7,0.1457017,0.0302689,-0.012903,0.0378369,-0.0062237,-0.0064936,0.0008137,0.0316044,0.0290523,-0.0004957,0.0052611,-0.0071748,-0.0136175,0.0110221,-0.0021982,-0.0027382,-0.0034873,-0.0108431,0.0009874,0.0006041,-0.0064299,0.0016412,-0.0034183,0.0017017
Reino_Navarra_Castilla:Spanish_Navarra,0.1195143,0 .1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Vascongadas_Castilla:Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0 .1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0.0 00235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520 246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.15 04111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Reino_Portugal:Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.03 60075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan,-0.0853671,0.1302133,-0.0128221,-0.0708806,0.0211321,-0.03294,-0.0277833,0.0097687,0.0554032,0.0243993,0.0095087,-0.0090252,0.0269902,-0.0144658,0.0163016,-0.0061874,-0.0027669,-0.0170326,-0.0384216,0.0094351,-0.0098438,-0.0295119,0.0209111,-0.0011248,0.0059207
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_South,-0.1844646,0.119896,0.0007308,-0.0569288,0.0239659,-0.0268258,-0.0321962,0.0152301,0.0538154,0.0285428,0.0060591,-0.0068189,0.0227358,-0.0173318,0.0181018,-0.0153306,0.0010921,-0.0189241,-0.0407889,0.0085196,-0.0148254,-0.038456,0.0240718,-0.0034944,0.0054934
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Saharawi,-0.0954217,0.1313418,-0.0096637,-0.0806827,0.024171,-0.0353959,-0.0328818,0.00899,0.0773356,0.0288843,0.0107311,-0.0093667,0.0305622,-0.0155687,0.0234344,-0.0147728,-0.0038028,-0.0248837,-0.048598,0.0124435,-0.0150776,-0.0415525,0.0278694,-0.0028416,0.007589
Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Moroccan_Jew,0.0782535,0.1429358,-0.017442,-0.0616122,0.0108482,-0.0191038,-0.0105755,-0.0017308,0.0162595,0.0236908,0.0079165,-0.0028472,0.0062435,-0.0051952,0.0050215,0.0032815,-0.0016625,-0.0044022,-0.0127897,-0.00544,-0.0016532,-0.008532,0.0094902,-0.0015662,0.0010778
Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Sephardic_Jew,0.0909445,0.1435961 ,-0.0216466,-0.0576555,0.00437,-0.0204705,-0.004841,-0.0021229,0.0105943,0.0195903,0.0046282,0.0004946, 0.0006837,-0.0007294,-0.0051845,-0.0035535,-0.0060366,0.0007095,-0.0024133,-0.0057653,-0.0038057,-0.0059724,0.0015282,0.002892,0.0017364
Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Libyan_Jew,0.0678384,0.1454238,-0.0288876,-0.0684114,0.004493,-0.0244308,-0.0058282,-0.0046612,0.0199206,0.0201552,0.005391,-0.001049,0.0079088,-0.001514,-0.0005156,0.0023602,-0.0041986,-0.0013936,-0.0061842,-0.0026264,-0.0015972,-0.0079384,0.0079372,-0.0024582,0.0023708
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Algeria,-0.2936636,0.1051579,0.0019988,-0.0400681,0.0144488,-0.012341,-0.0366736,0.0210568,0.0269358,0.0215312,0.0057566,-0.0045259,0.021318,-0.0074316,0.0114277,-0.0088304,0.0031227,-0.011079,-0.023053,0.0049898,-0.0073621,-0.019636,0.0121769,-0.0003616,0.0026523
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_ERR,-0.0923593,0.1309307,-0.0032863,-0.0711984,0.0256529,-0.0324909,-0.0312229,0.0101041,0.0673468,0.0299258,0.0098476,-0.0059732,0.021662,-0.0161411,0.0201934,-0.0141398,-0.005979,-0.0213652,-0.0461312,0.0094778,-0.0164531,-0.0416268,0.024808,-0.0020657,0.0053715
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_TIZ,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Sen,-0.0391015,0.1347667,-0.0189668,-0.0779,0.0188088,-0.0355667,-0.0216624,0.005864,0.0576878,0.0205605,0.0056455,-0.0122362,0.0263216,-0.009407,0.0124783,-0.0050072,-0.0056909,-0.0131682,-0.0303375,0.0115203,-0.0085143,-0.0241851,0.0149999,-4.95e-05,0.0005494
Subsahariano:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Subsahariano:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Subsahariano:Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
Subsahariano:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392
Subsahariano:Bantu_S.W.,-0.6222873,0.0658643,0.018425,0.0160116,0.0006156,0 .0075699,0.0014437,0.0089336,-0.0274354,0.0172863,0.0028534,-0.0046459,-0.0030369,0.001966,-0.0051573,0.004887,-0.0033901,0.0217903,-0.0106846,0.0037876,-0.0011764,0.0004591,0.0014964,0.0002411,-0.0005471
Subsahariano:Kongo,-0.628304,0.064994,0.020365,0.017442,-0.000615,0.016176,-0.016451,0.020076,-0.033746,0.020228,0.008607,-0.003147,-0.001933,0.001514,-0.006786,0.00769,-0.009648,0.00114,0.001257,0.003502,-0.002496,-0.000989,0.001109,-0.001084,-0.006826
Subsahariano:Luhya_Kenya,-0.5978967,0.063688,0.0171859,0.007106,-1e-07,0.0058569,-0.0145036,0.0188894,0.0045287,-0.0215819,-0.0050573,0.015993,-0.0328754,0.0011991,-0.0304013,0.0267264,-0.0180303,-0.0024431,-0.009948,0.0047167,0.0016934,0.0001946,0.0034157,0 .0039763,0.0006671
Subsahariano:Baka,-0.640255,0.0629625,0.020553,0.030362,0.003385,0.00 99005,0.153462,-0.117226,-0.0211685,0.0320735,0.0094995,-0.1138235,-0.0373135,-0.0008945,0.0021035,-0.0034475,0.003194,-0.022107,0.005594,-0.0015005,0.0019965,-0.000371,0.001171,0.0021685,-0.002814
Germano:German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.038 7068,0.0400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003 526,0.00188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Germano:German_East,0.1308965,0.1384928,0.0610936, 0.0499842,0.0381225,0.0161408,0.0063158,0.007038,0 .0021988,-0.0049205,-0.0052168,-0.0017799,-3.71e-05,0.008223,0.0013064,-0.0031324,-0.0079045,0.0011876,0.0053106,-0.0007504,0.0006239,-0.0011128,0.0017716,0.0016118,-0.0003142
Germano:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.05 57909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.004 6947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994

Shadogowah
02-11-2020, 04:21 PM
Supongo que hay que usar las coordenadas escaladas para que no te salga un churro.

Pero no entiendo como resulta que si tengo las distancias más cercanas al occidente de la península... (Lo que es correcto)





Distance to: Victor_scaled

0.01711911 Reino_Portugal:Portuguese
0.01939750 Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces:Spanish_Andalucia
0.01963501 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Galicia:Spanish_Galicia
0.02102983 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02199931 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Extremadura:Spanish_Ext remadura
0.02262449 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Toledo:Spanish_Castilla_La_M ancha
0.02294950 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Eivissa
0.02425716 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Alacant
0.02468831 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Valencia
0.02498517 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon:Spanish_Aragon
0.02537503 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Murcia:Spanish_Murcia
0.02674264 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Camp_de_Ta rragona
0.02698779 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02702751 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Cerdanya:Spanish_Pirineu
0.02703240 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Menorca
0.02745503 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Cataluna
0.02750167 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Tortosa:Spanish_Terres_de _l'Ebre
0.02769679 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Mallorca
0.02843053 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Castello
0.02906053 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Cantabria
0.02927370 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Girona:Spanish_Girona
0.02935807 Reino_Navarra_Castilla:Spanish_Navarra
0.03000682 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Lleida/Urgell:Spanish_Lleida
0.03017388 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga:Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03129634 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Penedes


Me sale esta composición donde lo que más se ajusta es una mezcla donde las componentes de la Corona de Aragón son las dominantes.



Target: Victor_scaled
Distance: 1.4012% / 0.01401246
26.8 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca
21.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla
14.2 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon
14.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
7.2 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga
6.2 Al-Andalusi_Bereber
3.8 Vascongadas_Castilla
3.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
1.4 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona
1.0 Al-Andalusi_Morisco
0.8 Germano

rober_tce
02-11-2020, 04:24 PM
Hola de nuevo! He tenido un período un poco convulso que me ha hecho desconectarme de muchas cosas, ya estoy de vuelta :biggrin1:

He leído lo que pusiste JJJ sobre el apellido Salina, que es lo mismo que decir Salinas. Es de origen navarro. Que haya un número significativo del mismo en Aleppo es explicable, dadas las migraciones judías de Sefarad que llegaron hasta el Imperio Otomano. Por lo tanto es factible la llegada de sefardíes con apellido Salina a la región de Siria, antaño territorio perteneciente al imperio.

Me he enterado también que LDNA ha actualizado su algoritmo, le he dado a actualizar mis resultados hace poco a ver con qué me encuentro.

Shadogowah
02-11-2020, 04:40 PM
Hola de nuevo! He tenido un período un poco convulso que me ha hecho desconectarme de muchas cosas, ya estoy de vuelta :biggrin1:

He leído lo que pusiste JJJ sobre el apellido Salina, que es lo mismo que decir Salinas. Es de origen navarro. Que haya un número significativo del mismo en Aleppo es explicable, dadas las migraciones judías de Sefarad que llegaron hasta el Imperio Otomano. Por lo tanto es factible la llegada de sefardíes con apellido Salina a la región de Siria, antaño territorio perteneciente al imperio.

Me he enterado también que LDNA ha actualizado su algoritmo, le he dado a actualizar mis resultados hace poco a ver con qué me encuentro.

Han cambiado el mapa y la estética, no los resultados.

Puede que sea un adelanto de algo por venir, puede que no.

JJJ
02-11-2020, 04:41 PM
Hay portugueses/brasileños que obtienen Este Ibérico en LDNA, parece tener menos rigor científico que mi modelo medieval G25.

JJJ
02-11-2020, 04:48 PM
Supongo que hay que usar las coordenadas escaladas para que no te salga un churro.

Pero no entiendo como resulta que si tengo las distancias más cercanas al occidente de la península... (Lo que es correcto)

Me sale esta composición donde lo que más se ajusta es una mezcla donde las componentes de la Corona de Aragón son las dominantes.



Target: Victor_scaled
Distance: 1.4012% / 0.01401246
26.8 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca
21.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla
14.2 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon
14.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
7.2 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga
6.2 Al-Andalusi_Bereber
3.8 Vascongadas_Castilla
3.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
1.4 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona
1.0 Al-Andalusi_Morisco
0.8 Germano


Está guay que te salga a ti aporte norteafricano.

Eso de Aragón debe ser algo mediterráneo o romano funcionando (sobretodo Mallorca). Este soy yo con 15% de menos mezcla mediterránea:

Target: JuanMinus15%MedAdmix_scaled
Distance: 3.0081% / 0.03008141
41.6 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
30.4 Vascongadas_Castilla
22.4 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
3.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
2.6 Subsahariano

Aragón casi desaparece.

Shadogowah
02-11-2020, 04:48 PM
Hay portugueses/brasileños que obtienen Este Ibérico en LDNA, parece tener menos rigor científico que mi modelo medieval G25.

No, no cuestionó tu modelo sino el algoritmo que hace la receta.

Cómo puede darme mayor contribución de las componentes más lejanas.

JJJ
02-11-2020, 04:51 PM
No, no cuestionó tu modelo sino el algoritmo que hace la receta.

Cómo puede darme mayor contribución de las componentes más lejanas.

La respuesta a lo tuyo está más arriba que no lo vi jaja.

Esa cita no tiene nada que ver.

De hecho me reconforta por ese norteafricano.

Shadogowah
02-11-2020, 05:59 PM
Parece claro que ese 7% es bereber y no ashkenazi ni sefardí, sardo ni inventos raros.

rober_tce
02-11-2020, 09:07 PM
Bueno esto es lo que me ha dado la última actualización de LDNA:

Last updated February 11, 2020
Your recent ancestry results
Europe (South)
89.5%

West Iberia

29.8%

East Iberia

25.7%

Basque

15.9%

North Italy

14%

Sardinia

4.1%
Great Britain and Ireland
5.4%

Scotland and Ireland

5.4%
Europe (North and West)
1.6%

Northwest Germanic

1.6%
Arabia
1.9%
North Africa
1.6%

Creo que es la primera vez que me da germánico en todos los tests que he hecho :\ por lo demás todo normal, me sigue dando mayor cantidad de Medio Oriente que de Norteafricano reciente (Middle Eastern o Arabic como dice aquí está relacionado con la genética levantina judía como en el resto de sitios). Los porcentajes más o menos igualados entre oeste y este peninsular puede ser normal teniendo en cuenta los movimientos migratorios en mis lugares ancestrales durante la Edad Moderna, así como el componente vasco que por varios apellidos míos es muy normal que esté presente. El componente italiano no es la primera vez que me sale y coincide con una línea mía en el rastro de papel con posible origen toscano (tengo que corroborarlo aún mejor). El irlandés y escocés sigue algo sobreestimado pero es real también.

rober_tce
02-11-2020, 09:20 PM
Y esto me sale con la hoja de cálculo de JJJ en Vahaduo:

Target: Rober_tce_scaled
Distance: 1.0301% / 0.01030053
32.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia
27.8 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla
20.6 Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces
13.8 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
2.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
1.8 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi
0.8 Subsahariano
0.6 Al-Andalusi_Morisco

JJJ
02-11-2020, 09:53 PM
Y esto me sale con la hoja de cálculo de JJJ en Vahaduo:

Target: Rober_tce_scaled
Distance: 1.0301% / 0.01030053
32.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia
27.8 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla
20.6 Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces
13.8 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
2.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
1.8 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi
0.8 Subsahariano
0.6 Al-Andalusi_Morisco

Te queda como un guante, es el que más me ha gustado :biggrin1:

Cantabria parece funcionar muy bien para representar al Reino de Castilla pudiendo utilizar a Castilla y León para el Reino de León ya que todos sacamos buenos porcentajes de ambos, me preocupaba que el modelo se fuese al garete por no saber ubicarlo.
Lástima de las pocas muestras andaluzas, ni siquiera puedo colocar al Reino de Granada.

Endovelicus
02-11-2020, 09:57 PM
Aquí están mis resultados.


Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.3889% / 0.01388921

43.6 Vascongadas_Castilla
27.4 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles
9.8 Al-Andalusi_Bereber
6.0 Germano
3.6 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
3.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia
2.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca
2.4 Subsahariano
1.4 Reino_Navarra_Castilla
0.2 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi



Distance to: Endovelicus_scaled
0.02574411 Corona_Castilla_Ultramar:Spanish_Canarias
0.02875895 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Extremadura
0.02931457 Reino_Portugal:Portuguese
0.03013592 Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces:Spanish_Andalucia
0.03059652 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03098700 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Galicia:Spanish_Galicia
0.03362421 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Murcia:Spanish_Murcia
0.03429102 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Eivissa
0.03557503 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Toledo:Spanish_Castilla_La_M ancha
0.03572557 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Menorca
0.03583045 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Alacant
0.03910024 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Valencia
0.03980500 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Mallorca
0.04027963 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Cataluna
0.04143737 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Camp_de_Ta rragona
0.04199268 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon:Spanish_Aragon
0.04209758 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Tortosa:Spanish_Terres_de _l'Ebre
0.04231481 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias:Spanish_Asturi as
0.04297899 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04314702 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Barcelones
0.04418926 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Girona:Spanish_Girona
0.04426052 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Lleida/Urgell:Spanish_Lleida
0.04438060 Reino_Navarra_Castilla:Spanish_Navarra
0.04480257 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Castello
0.04482463 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Cerdanya:Spanish_Pirineu

JJJ
02-11-2020, 10:19 PM
^Vuelve a suceder eso pero más extremo al calcular los porcentajes y las distancias reflejan otra cosa radicalmente distinta, pero bueno el K36 también te daba mucho francés.

rober_tce
02-11-2020, 10:21 PM
Te queda como un guante, es el que más me ha gustado :biggrin1:

Cantabria parece funcionar muy bien para representar al Reino de Castilla pudiendo utilizar a Castilla y León para el Reino de León ya que todos sacamos buenos porcentajes de ambos, me preocupaba que el modelo se fuese al garete por no saber ubicarlo.
Lástima de las pocas muestras andaluzas, ni siquiera puedo colocar al Reino de Granada.

Me ha salido ideal :biggrin1: me sale esa lucha igualada entre genes del este y oeste peninsular, componentes de los reinos castellanos del Bajo Guadalquivir, el componente norteño peninsular también presente y que lógicamente debe estar, luego me aparece el componente sefardí, y por último el norteafricano en menor medida aunque también presente.

Por lo general estoy viendo buenos resultados en todos acorde a su genética particular.

La del Reino de Granada es más complicado porque hay pocas muestras musulmanas, y tras la toma de Granada la población de la zona era un batiburrillo bastante curioso...

Empecinado
02-12-2020, 09:57 AM
Curiosamente se vuelve a repetir algo que me pasa con frecuencia, y es la afinidad con muestras italianas (normalmente del norte aunque tambien Sicilia como es este caso). A veces me ha salido incluso con Serbia u otros lugares balcanicos. Teniendo en cuenta que no me salen matches con italianos, doy por hecho que debe ser algo bastante antiguo, quizas algo romano (ademas de la peninsula italica, muchos romanos venian de la zona balcanica).


Target: Jordi_scaled
Distance: 1.7810% / 0.01781012
36.8 Vascongadas_Castilla
22.0 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
17.8 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia
12.8 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
9.8 Germano
0.4 Al-Andalusi_Morisco
0.4 Subsahariano

Ruderico
02-12-2020, 10:16 AM
Hay referencias con mayor afinidad con Italia que otras, si tienes Vascongadas pero no eres Vasco el modelo va a tener de compensar tu afinidad Mediterranica con otra referencia cualquiera. Pasa el mismo con el norte de África, etc

JJJ
02-12-2020, 12:34 PM
El norte de Italia tiende a absorber porcentaje a mis coordenadas, pero en este caso del sur de Italia, Asturias, Germano, Castilla y Cerdeña.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.3417% / 0.02341725
36.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
30.6 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
20.8 Norte_Italia
6.8 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
3.6 Vascongadas_Castilla
2.2 Subsahariano

Anterior:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.3914% / 0.02391357
36.2 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
35.0 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
8.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
7.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles
6.4 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla
3.4 Vascongadas_Castilla
2.0 Germano
2.0 Subsahariano


Norte_Italia:Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1286205,0.1452 205,0.0388435,0.010013,0.0326215,0.004183,0,0.0010 385,0.00634,0.017039,-0.004628,0.0041215,-0.0111495,-0.004679,0.0045465,-0.000265,-0.002021,-0.00057,0.0006285,0.000625,-0.002246,0.004328,0.000493,0.0030725,-0.0022155
Norte_Italia:Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0 .0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Norte_Italia:Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.0 27153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Norte_Italia:Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0 .0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Norte_Italia:Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524 ,0.035611,0.0017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725, 0.0020439,0.0068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Norte_Italia:Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534, 0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Norte_Italia:Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Norte_Italia:Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0. 0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Norte_Italia:Swiss_Italian,0.1221703,0.1411583,0.0 232557,-0.014535,0.026774,-0.0027887,0.000235,0.0036923,0.00934,0.0202283,0.0 007577,0.003097,-0.0111993,-0.0034867,-0.0030763,0.0019447,0.0061283,-0.0024913,0.002095,-0.0022927,0.002329,-0.0002473,-0.001479,0.0061453,-0.0005187

JJJ
02-12-2020, 02:08 PM
Otra versión que incluye el reino de Francia.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.3867% / 0.02386721
38.2 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias
34.2 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
10.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena
7.0 Reino_Francia_Bretagne
6.8 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles
2.0 Subsahariano
1.2 Vascongadas_Castilla


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02910453 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03060658 Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces:Spanish_Andalucia
0.03207120 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Murcia:Spanish_Murcia
0.03254586 Reino_Portugal:Portuguese
0.03321372 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Extremadura
0.03357197 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Galicia:Spanish_Galicia
0.03396093 Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias:Spanish_Asturi as
0.03519913 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Toledo:Spanish_Castilla_La_M ancha
0.03564540 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Valencia
0.03572431 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon:Spanish_Aragon
0.03575547 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Alacant
0.03579724 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Menorca
0.03689213 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Eivissa
0.03763331 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Cataluna
0.03866352 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Cantabria
0.03918715 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Tortosa:Spanish_Terres_de _l'Ebre
0.03940735 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Cerdanya:Spanish_Pirineu
0.04021304 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Barcelones
0.04023849 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Mallorca
0.04029485 Corona_Castilla_Ultramar:Spanish_Canarias
0.04040945 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04043393 Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Lleida/Urgell:Spanish_Lleida
0.04043567 Reino_Navarra_Castilla:Spanish_Navarra
0.04049958 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Camp_de_Ta rragona
0.04083485 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Girona:Spanish_Girona
0.04144940 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Castello
0.04211928 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Penedes
0.04475044 Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga:Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04659823 Reino_Francia_Bearn/Foix/Roussillon:French_South
0.04736833 Reino_Francia_Provence:French_Provence
0.04977450 Reino_Francia_Auvergne:French_Auvergne
0.05066392 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Corcega:French_Corsica
0.05241069 Reino_Francia_Languedoc:French_Occitanie
0.05277034 Vascongadas_Castilla:Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.05315709 Reino_Francia_Bourgogne/Franche_Comté:Swiss_French
0.05346550 Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_French
0.05520648 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Soria
0.05681773 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05990206 Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_Spanish
0.06115874 Reino_Francia_Ile_De_France:French_Paris
0.06345772 Reino_Francia_Lorraine_et_Barrois/Alsace:French_Alsace
0.06414813 Reino_Francia_Norte_Provincias:French_Nord
0.06508679 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Marche
0.06527679 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Umbria
0.06939643 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_West
0.06949060 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Lazio
0.07452841 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Abruzzo
0.07516703 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Molise
0.07737078 Reino_Francia_Bretagne:French_Brittany
0.07871621 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_East
0.07944115 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Apulia
0.08153223 Germano:German
0.08174393 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Basilicata
0.08394744 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Campania
0.08649644 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Calabria
0.09286965 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena:Sardinian
0.09383446 Germano:German_East
0.10107408 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Sephardic_Jew
0.10272499 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Moroccan_Jew
0.10345846 Germano:Swedish
0.11795816 Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Libyan_Jew
0.17625417 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_North
0.18670272 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.19002004 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Sen
0.20764523 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Mozabite
0.22426493 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan
0.23277096 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_ERR
0.24560992 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Saharawi
0.25050918 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.30675162 Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_South
0.40424267 Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Algeria
0.70732090 Subsahariano:Luhya_Kenya
0.71125718 Subsahariano:Bantu_Kenya
0.71544005 Subsahariano:Gambian
0.72930647 Subsahariano:Bantu_S.W.
0.73600881 Subsahariano:Kongo
0.73962900 Subsahariano:Bantu_S.E.
0.74204841 Subsahariano:Yoruba
0.78186055 Subsahariano:Baka

Spreadsheet:


Corona_Aragon_Reino_Aragon:Spanish_Aragon,0.119514 2,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Barcelones ,0.1192866,0.1490798,0.045707,0.0046512,0.0459162, 0.0033466,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Camp_de_Ta rragona,0.1190875,0.1444591,0.0421904,0.0020995,0. 0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Cataluna,0 .114582,0.1462363,0.0458833,0.0023687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Barcelona:Spanish_Penedes,0. 1217908,0.1458668,0.0408662,0.0047275,0.0420497,0. 0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Osona/Berga:Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0.12432,0.1492828, 0.0441231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Cerdanya:Spanish_Pirineu,0.1 219803,0.1465747,0.0426775,0.002584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Corona_Aragon_Condado_Girona:Spanish_Girona,0.1213 354,0.1459315,0.0418982,0.0032946,0.0411769,0.0016 175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Lleida/Urgell:Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0.1468006,0.042991 8,0.0020457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Corona_Aragon_Marquesado_Tortosa:Spanish_Terres_de _l'Ebre,0.1220184,0.1468458,0.0414078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Castello,0.12 03273,0.1462361,0.0434766,0.0011536,0.045283,-0.0015539,-0.001175,0.0011867,0.0240169,0.0348331,-0.0056141,0.0068511,-0.0159703,-0.0151189,0.0078719,0.0046974,0.0027569,0.0013937,-0.0008799,-0.0002679,0.0057756,0.0004063,-0.0064089,-0.002169,0.0005646
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Alacant,0.113 4437,0.1465747,0.0372092,0.0002692,0.0413408,-0.002789,-0.0051308,0.001769,0.023486,0.0313143,-0.0050883,0.0085173,-0.0154857,-0.0118125,0.0104505,0.0032708,-0.0015428,0.0001057,-0.0040433,-0.0055652,0.0040345,-0.0004122,-0.0041903,-0.001707,0.0031333
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Valencia:Spanish_Valencia,0.11 79965,0.1446283,0.0408548,-0.0008882,0.0464702,-0.0014408,-0.0019975,0.0016346,0.0231624,0.0332581,-0.0030042,0.0083301,-0.0128593,-0.0123401,0.0096022,-0.0008507,-0.0046938,-0.0017209,-0.001236,-0.0009171,0.0055735,-0.0013706,-0.0020438,-0.0051411,0.0020557
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Mallorca,0.11 76172,0.1479288,0.0389273,0.0010767,0.039392,-0.0013632,0.0003917,0.0030768,0.0174073,0.0279429,-0.0030313,0.0062778,-0.0155598,-0.0084102,0.0064392,0.0025192,0.0013618,0.001464,-0.0008798,-0.0013479,0.0009703,0.0007558,-0.0017529,0.0002009,-0.0002394
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Menorca,0.115 72,0.1475903,0.036832,-0.0060293,0.042777,-0.0016733,0.00141,0.0001537,0.0216793,0.02934,-0.002219,0.0092913,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.0028727,-0.0028247,0.0013937,-0.00088,-0.0017923,0.0032857,0.0019373,0.0010683,-0.006627,-0.0058677
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca:Spanish_Eivissa,0.116 1872,0.1467051,0.0376541,-0.0040251,0.0397233,-0.0034111,0.0002712,0.0031417,0.0206569,0.0299145,-0.0025234,0.0074242,-0.0122246,-0.0085537,0.0088218,0.0009688,-0.0036809,-0.0029237,-0.0023785,-0.0039826,0.0032538,0.0018168,-0.0017445,-0.0001853,-0.0014738
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Cerdena:Sardinian,0.1206524,0. 1679686,0.0276806,-0.0515508,0.0603188,-0.0224786,-0.003478,0.004292,0.0427048,0.0798558,-0.0020784,0.0158856,-0.0270266,-0.0131842,-0.0132192,-0.004614,0.0120476,-0.0013176,0.0017596,-0.012931,-0.0050908,-0.0042044,-0.0097122,-0.021087,0.0008382
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Corcega:French_Corsica,0.12032 73,0.1518216,0.0195294,-0.0230022,0.0350394,-0.0100401,-0.0018464,-0.0005604,0.0157044,0.0337918,-0.0006031,0.0074612,-0.0132308,-0.0071074,-0.004537,-0.0005968,0.0040419,0.0012489,0.0024511,-0.0030461,-0.0003923,0.0002474,-0.0025793,-0.0013858,-0.0005303
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_East,0.103199 7,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia:Sicilian_West,0.100164 3,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126 848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Apulia,0.11071 19,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Basilicata,0.1 092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Calabria,0.102 8203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Campania,0.107 7999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Lazio,0.114676 8,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Marche,0.11766 46,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Molise,0.11268 5,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles:Italian_Umbria,0.11711 13,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Corona_Castilla_Principado_Asturias:Spanish_Asturi as,0.110408,0.144205,0.045632,0.000646,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Cantabria,0 .119514,0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_La_Rioja,0. 121791,0.152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Castilla:Spanish_Soria,0.121 791,0.1421745,0.0499685,0.0075905,0.0475475,0.0012 55,-0.0029375,-0.001269,0.0206565,0.0374495,-0.010474,0.01139,-0.017393,-0.0228455,0.0114005,0.0145185,0.01356,-0.002914,-0.0040855,-0.0006875,-0.000312,-0.001422,-0.003759,-0.0059045,-0.0020955
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Toledo:Spanish_Castilla_La_M ancha,0.1155305,0.1480135,0.040352,-0.00323,0.0420845,-0.004811,-0.0017038,0.0017308,0.024645,0.0339415,-0.0021108,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.0010605,-0.0060302,-0.00019,-0.0001257,-0.000688,0.005459,0.0014837,-0.0010477,-0.003886,-0.0010778
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon ,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon:Spanish_Extremadura,0.1 050967,0.1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Galicia:Spanish_Galicia,0.10 87643,0.1464619,0.0410642,-0.0016509,0.0412043,-9.29e-05,-0.0054572,0.0024231,0.0247133,0.0300285,-0.0021291,0.0057365,-0.0126113,-0.0121567,0.0111441,0.0005893,-0.0042375,-0.0021607,-0.0050418,-0.0010076,0.0008734,-0.002899,-0.0008079,-0.0036818,0.0013038
Corona_Castilla_Reino_Murcia:Spanish_Murcia,0.1092 7,0.142936,0.0379005,-0.005814,0.0454698,-0.0020918,-0.0049938,-0.003346,0.0252588,0.03221,-0.00341,0.0034095,-0.012376,-0.0108035,0.004716,-0.0014255,0.0010105,0.0008555,-6.28e-05,0.0010005,0.0050222,-0.0029368,-0.000678,-0.0030122,0.0019758
Corona_Castilla_Reinos_Andaluces:Spanish_Andalucia ,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Corona_Castilla_Ultramar:Spanish_Canarias,0.081293 7,0.1457017,0.0302689,-0.012903,0.0378369,-0.0062237,-0.0064936,0.0008137,0.0316044,0.0290523,-0.0004957,0.0052611,-0.0071748,-0.0136175,0.0110221,-0.0021982,-0.0027382,-0.0034873,-0.0108431,0.0009874,0.0006041,-0.0064299,0.0016412,-0.0034183,0.0017017
Reino_Navarra_Castilla:Spanish_Navarra,0.1195143,0 .1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Vascongadas_Castilla:Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0 .1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0.0 00235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520 246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Vascongadas_Castilla:Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.15 04111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Reino_Portugal:Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.03 60075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan,-0.0853671,0.1302133,-0.0128221,-0.0708806,0.0211321,-0.03294,-0.0277833,0.0097687,0.0554032,0.0243993,0.0095087,-0.0090252,0.0269902,-0.0144658,0.0163016,-0.0061874,-0.0027669,-0.0170326,-0.0384216,0.0094351,-0.0098438,-0.0295119,0.0209111,-0.0011248,0.0059207
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_South,-0.1844646,0.119896,0.0007308,-0.0569288,0.0239659,-0.0268258,-0.0321962,0.0152301,0.0538154,0.0285428,0.0060591,-0.0068189,0.0227358,-0.0173318,0.0181018,-0.0153306,0.0010921,-0.0189241,-0.0407889,0.0085196,-0.0148254,-0.038456,0.0240718,-0.0034944,0.0054934
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974
Al-Andalusi_Morisco:Saharawi,-0.0954217,0.1313418,-0.0096637,-0.0806827,0.024171,-0.0353959,-0.0328818,0.00899,0.0773356,0.0288843,0.0107311,-0.0093667,0.0305622,-0.0155687,0.0234344,-0.0147728,-0.0038028,-0.0248837,-0.048598,0.0124435,-0.0150776,-0.0415525,0.0278694,-0.0028416,0.007589
Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Moroccan_Jew,0.0782535,0.1429358,-0.017442,-0.0616122,0.0108482,-0.0191038,-0.0105755,-0.0017308,0.0162595,0.0236908,0.0079165,-0.0028472,0.0062435,-0.0051952,0.0050215,0.0032815,-0.0016625,-0.0044022,-0.0127897,-0.00544,-0.0016532,-0.008532,0.0094902,-0.0015662,0.0010778
Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Sephardic_Jew,0.0909445,0.1435961 ,-0.0216466,-0.0576555,0.00437,-0.0204705,-0.004841,-0.0021229,0.0105943,0.0195903,0.0046282,0.0004946, 0.0006837,-0.0007294,-0.0051845,-0.0035535,-0.0060366,0.0007095,-0.0024133,-0.0057653,-0.0038057,-0.0059724,0.0015282,0.002892,0.0017364
Al-Andalusi_Sefardi:Libyan_Jew,0.0678384,0.1454238,-0.0288876,-0.0684114,0.004493,-0.0244308,-0.0058282,-0.0046612,0.0199206,0.0201552,0.005391,-0.001049,0.0079088,-0.001514,-0.0005156,0.0023602,-0.0041986,-0.0013936,-0.0061842,-0.0026264,-0.0015972,-0.0079384,0.0079372,-0.0024582,0.0023708
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Algeria,-0.2936636,0.1051579,0.0019988,-0.0400681,0.0144488,-0.012341,-0.0366736,0.0210568,0.0269358,0.0215312,0.0057566,-0.0045259,0.021318,-0.0074316,0.0114277,-0.0088304,0.0031227,-0.011079,-0.023053,0.0049898,-0.0073621,-0.019636,0.0121769,-0.0003616,0.0026523
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_ERR,-0.0923593,0.1309307,-0.0032863,-0.0711984,0.0256529,-0.0324909,-0.0312229,0.0101041,0.0673468,0.0299258,0.0098476,-0.0059732,0.021662,-0.0161411,0.0201934,-0.0141398,-0.005979,-0.0213652,-0.0461312,0.0094778,-0.0164531,-0.0416268,0.024808,-0.0020657,0.0053715
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_MAR_TIZ,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
Al-Andalusi_Bereber:Berber_Tunisia_Sen,-0.0391015,0.1347667,-0.0189668,-0.0779,0.0188088,-0.0355667,-0.0216624,0.005864,0.0576878,0.0205605,0.0056455,-0.0122362,0.0263216,-0.009407,0.0124783,-0.0050072,-0.0056909,-0.0131682,-0.0303375,0.0115203,-0.0085143,-0.0241851,0.0149999,-4.95e-05,0.0005494
Subsahariano:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Subsahariano:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Subsahariano:Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
Subsahariano:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392
Subsahariano:Bantu_S.W.,-0.6222873,0.0658643,0.018425,0.0160116,0.0006156,0 .0075699,0.0014437,0.0089336,-0.0274354,0.0172863,0.0028534,-0.0046459,-0.0030369,0.001966,-0.0051573,0.004887,-0.0033901,0.0217903,-0.0106846,0.0037876,-0.0011764,0.0004591,0.0014964,0.0002411,-0.0005471
Subsahariano:Kongo,-0.628304,0.064994,0.020365,0.017442,-0.000615,0.016176,-0.016451,0.020076,-0.033746,0.020228,0.008607,-0.003147,-0.001933,0.001514,-0.006786,0.00769,-0.009648,0.00114,0.001257,0.003502,-0.002496,-0.000989,0.001109,-0.001084,-0.006826
Subsahariano:Luhya_Kenya,-0.5978967,0.063688,0.0171859,0.007106,-1e-07,0.0058569,-0.0145036,0.0188894,0.0045287,-0.0215819,-0.0050573,0.015993,-0.0328754,0.0011991,-0.0304013,0.0267264,-0.0180303,-0.0024431,-0.009948,0.0047167,0.0016934,0.0001946,0.0034157,0 .0039763,0.0006671
Subsahariano:Baka,-0.640255,0.0629625,0.020553,0.030362,0.003385,0.00 99005,0.153462,-0.117226,-0.0211685,0.0320735,0.0094995,-0.1138235,-0.0373135,-0.0008945,0.0021035,-0.0034475,0.003194,-0.022107,0.005594,-0.0015005,0.0019965,-0.000371,0.001171,0.0021685,-0.002814
Germano:German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.038 7068,0.0400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003 526,0.00188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Germano:German_East,0.1308965,0.1384928,0.0610936, 0.0499842,0.0381225,0.0161408,0.0063158,0.007038,0 .0021988,-0.0049205,-0.0052168,-0.0017799,-3.71e-05,0.008223,0.0013064,-0.0031324,-0.0079045,0.0011876,0.0053106,-0.0007504,0.0006239,-0.0011128,0.0017716,0.0016118,-0.0003142
Germano:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.05 57909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.004 6947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Reino_Francia_Bearn/Foix/Roussillon:French_South,0.1261811,0.1447856,0.0496 183,0.0088594,0.0506907,0.0026694,0.0002686,0.0022 747,0.0276401,0.0386601,-0.0067741,0.0073649,-0.021853,-0.0135659,0.0103729,0.0027653,-0.0051034,0.0017917,0.0002154,0.0019116,0.0049911,-0.0008301,-0.0052646,-0.0075569,-0.00142
Reino_Francia_Languedoc:French_Occitanie,0.1270391 ,0.1448823,0.048879,0.0179086,0.0433756,0.0034164, 0.0005222,0.0038909,0.0148564,0.0235894,-0.0032883,0.0065816,-0.0150436,-0.0094578,0.010737,0.0025671,-0.0037088,0.0024846,0.0014247,4.52e-05,0.0036706,0.0024456,-0.0025505,0.0017673,0.0004224
Reino_Francia_Provence:French_Provence,0.1219247,0 .1438468,0.0368914,0.005358,0.0368574,0.0023296,0. 0022671,0.0036379,0.0100577,0.0204533,-0.0038687,0.0072112,-0.0121376,-0.0109614,0.0059557,0.0031744,0.0010967,0.0028095, 0.0017746,-0.0015155,0.0015414,0.0027349,0.0003552,0.0054435, 3.52e-05
Reino_Francia_Ile_De_France:French_Paris,0.1271714 ,0.1414355,0.0504313,0.0239901,0.0409027,0.0093048 ,0.0027985,0.0054544,0.0116022,0.0181739,-0.0077061,0.0068121,-0.0129065,-0.0103844,0.0137695,0.0060631,-0.0018255,0.0046644,0.0027082,-0.0009778,0.0022007,0.0035747,-0.0012325,0.0111405,-0.0019051
Reino_Francia_Norte_Provincias:French_Nord,0.12827 52,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.0256051,0.0382728,0.00889 06,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Reino_Francia_Lorraine_et_Barrois/Alsace:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172 ,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748 ,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Reino_Francia_Auvergne:French_Auvergne,0.1254161,0 .1446566,0.0474194,0.0129918,0.0434726,0.0039974,-0.0003394,0.0025128,0.0154076,0.0221721,-0.0024659,0.0073546,-0.0139686,-0.0096693,0.0082989,0.001483,-0.0007871,0.0014968,0.0030726,-0.000213,0.0018579,0.003737,-0.0022823,0.0018163,-8.87e-05
Reino_Francia_Bretagne:French_Brittany,0.1314657,0 .1383406,0.0578504,0.0392849,0.0391688,0.0158131,0 .0031549,0.0042114,0.008186,0.0094899,-0.0051314,0.00559,-0.014368,-0.0131017,0.0183426,0.0043987,-0.0073016,0.0012795,-0.000462,0.0017727,0.0044671,0.0017868,-0.001254,0.0105465,0.0006586
Reino_Francia_Bourgogne/Franche_Comté:Swiss_French,0.1273395,0.1448398,0.0 414364,0.0102149,0.0411615,0.0064842,0.0008224,0.0 028845,0.0118111,0.0194308,-0.000751,0.0065942,-0.0159622,-0.0125238,0.0083468,0.0021712,0.0057533,-0.0016154,0.003661,-0.0003439,0.0047886,0.0036478,0.0016638,0.0025756,-0.0004791

Endovelicus
02-12-2020, 03:46 PM
^^

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.3885% / 0.01388535

44.2 Vascongadas_Castilla
25.6 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Napoles
10.2 Al-Andalusi_Bereber
5.4 Reino_Francia_Bretagne
5.0 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Sicilia
2.8 Germano
2.4 Corona_Aragon_Reino_Mallorca
2.2 Corona_Castilla_Reino_Leon
2.2 Subsahariano

Caius Agrippa
02-12-2020, 07:25 PM
Y se desconfirma el SSA por FTDNA:

https://i.postimg.cc/3r5KyhSf/myorigins3.png

Hasta ahora LivingDNA, MyHeritage y FTDNA no me revelaron ni gota de ascendencia africana, pero todo lo demás si. Realmente el único incentivo que tengo para subir RAW's a otras compañias o pagar por ellas es por el tema africano que me baila bastante :)

Yo pienso que el FTDNA subestima al SSA. Tengo apenas 7% SSA en FTDNA, pero otras calculadoras me dan un poco más: entre 8% y 10% en LivingDNA (que no confio) y 9.5% en MyHeritage. En DNA.LAND tengo 9% usando raw data de FTDNA y 11% con la de MyHeritage.

Tengo un grande problema para descubrir la real carga negra (reciente, adquirida via esclavos negros en Brasil) en mi ADN. En algunos calculadores tengo tan poco como 6% y en otros tanto cuanto 12%, 6% de diferencia. Los calcs que atribuen SSA a ibéricos dan me mucho mas que los que no hacen, entonces estimo que 3-4% de mi SSA és norte-africano que viene del ibérico. Con lo que tenemos de ADN autosomico ahora, pienso que no teré respuesta conclusiva. Con el amerindio és más fácil, porque las % no varian mucho entre 1.5% y 3% en casi todos los calculadores.

En tu caso, dudo que tuyo SSA sea ancestria ''negra'' real. Es possible que sea parte de lo norte-africano de los ibéricos o sefardí. Muchos judíos sefardi tienen ''Africa Oriental'' en esas calculadoras y los magrebinos tienen algo de SSA.

Ruderico
02-12-2020, 08:51 PM
El mejor es que haces la árbol genealógica, personalmente considero más interesante. A mi me da igual que mi perfil genético sea medio Asturiano, yo sé donde mis abuelos, y sus abuelos son

JJJ
02-12-2020, 09:23 PM
Yo pienso que el FTDNA subestima al SSA. Tengo apenas 7% SSA en FTDNA, pero otras calculadoras me dan un poco más: entre 8% y 10% en LivingDNA (que no confio) y 9.5% en MyHeritage. En DNA.LAND tengo 9% usando raw data de FTDNA y 11% con la de MyHeritage.

Tengo un grande problema para descubrir la real carga negra (reciente, adquirida via esclavos negros en Brasil) en mi ADN. En algunos calculadores tengo tan poco como 6% y en otros tanto cuanto 12%, 6% de diferencia. Los calcs que atribuen SSA a ibéricos dan me mucho mas que los que no hacen, entonces estimo que 3-4% de mi SSA és norte-africano que viene del ibérico. Con lo que tenemos de ADN autosomico ahora, pienso que no teré respuesta conclusiva. Con el amerindio és más fácil, porque las % no varian mucho entre 1.5% y 3% en casi todos los calculadores.

En tu caso, dudo que tuyo SSA sea ancestria ''negra'' real. Es possible que sea parte de lo norte-africano de los ibéricos o sefardí. Muchos judíos sefardi tienen ''Africa Oriental'' en esas calculadoras y los magrebinos tienen algo de SSA.

Eso pensé yo, que sea un componente heredado por otras "etnias" ya sean norteafricanas o judías, de hecho en algunas pruebas comerciales obtengo judío.

También me ocurre mucho eso de que varíen los porcentajes SSA, algunos ejemplos en los que he obtenido:

23andMe: 1.1
DNA.Land: 3.8
K13: 3.11
K15: 3.20
Algunos Dodecads: 2.66, 2.59, 3.22, 2.85... (Sumando el este africano que supongo será subsahariano)

Judíos:

23andMe: 0.1
MyHeritage: 9
DNA.Land: 3.8

Las calculadoras Gedmatch no suelen medir el componente judío, el JTest está desacreditado por su mismo autor...

Es obvio que tengo algo africanoide o no europeo rondando por los resultados, lo que pasa es que es difícil de "extraer". Todavía ninguna empresa comercial me ha dado norteafricano y eso que tengo cargas en 23andMe, MyHeritage, FTDNA y LDNA.

Caius Agrippa
02-12-2020, 11:01 PM
Eso pensé yo, que sea un componente heredado por otras "etnias" ya sean norteafricanas o judías, de hecho en algunas pruebas comerciales obtengo judío.

También me ocurre mucho eso de que varíen los porcentajes SSA, algunos ejemplos en los que he obtenido:

23andMe: 1.1
DNA.Land: 3.8
K13: 3.11
K15: 3.20
Algunos Dodecads: 2.66, 2.59, 3.22, 2.85... (Sumando el este africano que supongo será subsahariano)

Judíos:

23andMe: 0.1
MyHeritage: 9
DNA.Land: 3.8

Las calculadoras Gedmatch no suelen medir el componente judío, el JTest está desacreditado por su mismo autor...

Es obvio que tengo algo africanoide o no europeo rondando por los resultados, lo que pasa es que es difícil de "extraer". Todavía ninguna empresa comercial me ha dado norteafricano y eso que tengo cargas en 23andMe, MyHeritage, FTDNA y LDNA.

Yo no me preocuparia en tu lugar, muchos de estos componentes no son aún muy bien conocidos y en tu caso hay otros ibericos con esta pequenã carga SSA en las calculadoras, la probabilidad de muchos negros mezclando se con españoles en España continental es muy muy baja. Es possible no tener mucha carga norte-africana y aún tener alguno SSA que viene de lo norte-africano, mira otros resultados como los tuos.

Yo tengo mucho norte-africano o Oriente Medio en todas las empresas comerciales: MyHeritage, LDNA, FTDNA, voy hacier un Ancestry o 23andme en breve. Pero la mayor parte de mi SSA es ancestria real, no es ninguna surpresa tener um poquito de negro en Brasil, solo gustaria de entendier mejor qual es la ''verdadera'' carga SSA porque de 6% para 12% es una buena diferencia.

@Ruderico: por supuesto, el árbol genealogico es más interesante que solo el ADN. El problema es que, en mi caso, tengo muchos brasileños coloniales en él árbol, muchas veces un ancestro listado como ''blanco'' en las classificaciones del siglo XIX e del periodo colonial podría muy bien ser apenas 75% europeo, por ejemplo. Los portugueses nunca adotarón el sistema de castas español, por eso es dificil estimar las porcentagens continentales definitivas com los testes dando me % diferentes. Se voy a me fiar en Tolan, soy 90% europeo, 8% africano, 2% indigena. En el K13/K15 algo como 84-88% europeo, 10-13% africano y 3% indígena (a depender se considero cosas como 2% 'Northeast African' y 1% 'East_Asian' como parte del europeo o no). Por el MDLP 89% europeo, 9% africano y 2% indigena. Gedrosia K3 dá me solo 83% de West Eurasian, pero otros testes dan me 88-90% ''caucasico''.

No tengo ninguna duda que soy 2% indigena, por ejemplo, todos los testes dan me cantidade parecida, la duda es sobre la real porcentaje europea y africana. Tengo una bisabuela que, de acordo com mi própria classificación baseando me en fotos antíguas, tiene algo de mezclado com negros y su madre es descrita como ''morena'' en el censo pero podria muy bien ser mas europea geneticamente que un ancestro listado como ''blanco'', no hay una correlación absoluta de fenotipo y ADN, esta es la dificultad en mi caso.

Soy algo como mitad brasileño colonial e mitad europeo recente o mismo 60% colonial y 40% reciente. Entonces my genealogia es un poquito complicada. Tener un ancestro importante y listado como ''blanco'' en el censo colonial portugués no significa que este ancestro era 100% europeo. La misma cosa para los ''morenos'' o mismo ''negros''. En Latinoamerica es mas dificil estimar ancestria solo baseado en identificación social.

Ruderico
02-13-2020, 09:29 AM
Pues, como "colonial" tu caso es muy complicado, pero para JJJ y Endovelicus no. No sé como son los registros Españoles (probablemente eran iguales a los nuestros), pero en Portugal los negros, esclavos, gitanos, etc, son siempre identificados (sus padres también) - probablemente para que la inquisición tuviese posibilidad de investigar las orígenes de los acusados. Ya he visto hijos de esclavos (que también eran esclavos, claro), "pretos livres" y hasta matrimonios católicos entre gitanos. Puedes explorar tu árbol y ver se descubres un negro libre, o así, pero es poco común y la mortalidad infantil era horrible, la mayoría probablemente murió


Con la genealogía puedes descubrir la vida de tus antepasados, eso es algo que ningún teste genético puede hacer. Os doy dos ejemplos.

Mi línea paterna conserva el mismo apellido desde el primero hombre que yo he descubierto, que nació en los finales de 1600s, él era pedrero de un pueblo Portugués en Valença do Minho (cerca de Tuy). Cuando llegó a Pindo, cerca de Viseu, los registros empiezan a tener nuevos molinos de agua que antes no existían..él mismo era morador en un de ellos - probablemente él construyó todos. Su hijo trabajaba en un otro molino. Saben que hacia mi proprio abuelo? Era molinero (y después carpintero) - son 3 siglos de molineros en mi familia paterna. Todo el mundo en nuestro pueblo nos conoce por "los molineros".

Mi abuelo materno era de una parroquia aislada en el Duero. Uno de nuestros antepasados fue el párroco durante unos 50 años, nació en 1752 y murió 98 años después (!!!). 3 meses antes de partir aún estaba haciendo registros en los libros. Yo he visto miles de registros hechos por sus manos hay más de 200 años. Pocas cosas hechas por nuestros antepasados de hay 200 aún existen, pero aquí tenemos miles de ellas.


Para mi este tipo de conocimiento es muchísimo más interesante que saber que soy "9% norte Africano" o así.


Edit:

Uno más: el padre de mi bisabuela, llamado Justino Pinto de Vasconcelos, fue ahijado de un Hidalgo de la Casa Real y su mujer.
Mi bisabuela casó con un hombre muy guapo pero también pobre y él nunca la perdonó. Desde ese momento sus nietos eran "hijos de Augusto" y no "nietos". Una de las "hijas de Augusto" (tia abuela) fue quién crió a mi madre y yo, cuando mis padres trabajaban durante la semana en Lisboa. Mi abuela vivía (y aún vive) en Porto.

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidalgo#Fidalgo_da_Casa_Real

JJJ
02-13-2020, 11:24 AM
La genealogía y la genética creo que van por caminos distintos, uno es muy personal e intrincado y el otro solo sirve para ofrecer una visión muy general de tu ascendencia. El factor error es muy grande en ambos, aunque creo que más en la genealogía ya que nadie te puede asegurar si a quién estás buscando es realmente tu abuelo.

En cuanto al SSA en el hilo que recopilamos sobre resultados 23andMe se centra mayormente entre la mitad occidental, centro-sudoeste y noroeste ibérico. Curioso que sean las zonas con más influencia norteafricana y haplogrupo paterno E-M81 según tengo entendido. Es más raro encontrar Sardo, creo que solo lo poseemos la parienta de Ruderico, yo y un gallego en ese hilo.

Creemos que somos personas metidas en cajitas estancadas sin influencia extra aparte, si es norteafricano solo puede transferir "genes" propios norteafricanos, si es subsahariano hacer lo propio con SSA. Esto no es así al menos supongo yo al poseer todos un poquito de algo, yo mismo seguramente transferiré en el caso de tener desscendencia aproximadamente la mitad de Iberomaurusian y la mitad de SSA en el mejor de los casos.

Y la genética es caprichosa, bien es posible haber heredado composiciones étnicas de algún abuelo algo lejano.

Ruderico
02-13-2020, 11:33 AM
La genealogía y la genética creo que van por caminos distintos, uno es muy personal e intrincado y el otro solo sirve para ofrecer una visión muy general de tu ascendencia. El factor error es muy grande en ambos, aunque creo que más en la genealogía ya que nadie te puede asegurar si a quién estás buscando es realmente tu abuelo.

En cuanto al SSA en el hilo que recopilamos sobre resultados 23andMe se centra mayormente entre la mitad occidental, centro-sudoeste y noroeste ibérico. Curioso que sean las zonas con más influencia norteafricana y haplogrupo paterno E-M81 según tengo entendido. Es más raro encontrar Sardo, creo que solo lo poseemos la parienta de Ruderico, yo y un gallego en ese hilo.

Si, mi novia tiene 0,2% Sardo.
Yo tengo 0,4% Eastern European, solo he visto 3 veces en Portugueses: un norteño con 0,5%, otro con 0,4% como yo (él eres de un pueblo cerca de mi abuela), y otro con 0,1%.

Caius Agrippa
02-13-2020, 01:58 PM
Yo estoy de acuerdo con ustedes, la genealogia documental permite a uno tener una relación mucho mas rica con sus ancestros que simples números en una tela. Lo que confundio mi cabeza un poquito fue mas la aleatoriedad de los resultados (dentro de un espectro, obvio) que los resultados. Cuando no habia leído mucho sobre el ADN pensava que estas cosas erán completamente objetivas, que tomaría un único teste y tería los resultados definitivos sobre mi. :frusty:

Lo único de mis 4 abuelos que no tiene ancestria del Brasil colonial, ni mismo 1%, es el abuelo paterno, todos los ancestros del norte de Italia. De ello no espero encontrar nada exotico, sea judío, moro o negro, su genealogia es bien desenvolvida. Es certamiente 100% europeo. Mis otros 3 abuelos tienen fenotipos ''blancos'' pero tienen ancestros del Brasil colonial, la mas colonial de mis abuelos es mi abuela materna y es la mas blanca de todos los 4 por el fenotipo, rubia de ojos azules. Desciende de los primeros colonos portugueses del Brasil y tiene un bisabuelo suízo-alemán que descubri recientemente por parte del padre y de italianos y brasileños coloniales por parte de la madre, yo pensaba que su madre era 100% italiana (tenía apelido italiano), pero era solo 25%. No espero nada mucho 'exotico' de ella, aparte un ancestro judío o muy poco, menos de 5%, de indio o negro. Estoy a esperar sus resultados de ADN en FTDNA. Los otros dos eran mitad ibéricos recientes y mitad coloniales con genealogias muy antiguas en Brasil, la madre de mi abuelo paterno certamiente tenía mucho de extra-europeo y lo mismo para el padre de mi abuela paterna (su madre era hija de portugueses). Pienso que la mayor parte del aporte extra-europeo/SSA venga de estes dos bisabuelos (padre de la abuela paterna y madre de abuelo materno).

Certamiente mi genealogia es tipica de mi región en Brasil: ibéricos (la esmagadora mayoria), norte-italianos, possiblemente algunos pocos conversos, un poquito de negros, un poco de sur de Italia y paises germanicos y mucho poco de amerindio. Estos son los que yo tengo noticia hasta ahora por el ADN y genealogia.

JJJ
02-14-2020, 12:56 PM
Proyecto romano casi concluido :biggrin1:

No estoy seguro de publicar aún la otra lista que incluye la mayoría de las provincias romanas, pero ese lo publicaría en el foro autosómico. Sigue el mismo procedimiento que el medieval siendo sólo un cambio mayormente estético sin nada relevante.

Por el momento posteo este, Hispania Diocleciana:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.5707% / 0.02570749
48.6 Hispania_Gallaecia
24.8 Hispania_Balearica
15.2 Hispania_Tarraconensis
6.6 Hispania_Cartaginensis
4.8 Mauretania_Tingitana

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.6003% / 0.02600349 | ADC: 0.25x
70.8 Hispania_Gallaecia
23.2 Hispania_Cartaginensis
3.2 Hispania_Balearica
2.8 Mauretania_Tingitana

Dónde esté Castilla y León y Asturias será mi dominante, en fin.


Hispania_Tarraconensis:Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0. 1504111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Barcelones,0.119286 6,0.1490798,0.045707,0.0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466 ,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0 .1190875,0.1444591,0.0421904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cantabria,0.119514, 0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castello,0.1203273, 0.1462361,0.0434766,0.0011536,0.045283,-0.0015539,-0.001175,0.0011867,0.0240169,0.0348331,-0.0056141,0.0068511,-0.0159703,-0.0151189,0.0078719,0.0046974,0.0027569,0.0013937,-0.0008799,-0.0002679,0.0057756,0.0004063,-0.0064089,-0.002169,0.0005646
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cataluna,0.114582,0 .1462363,0.0458833,0.0023687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0 .12432,0.1492828,0.0441231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0 016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Aragon,0.1195142,0. 14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Girona,0.1213354,0. 1459315,0.0418982,0.0032946,0.0411769,0.0016175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0 .152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0. 1468006,0.0429918,0.0020457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Navarra,0.1195143,0 .1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241 ,0.1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0 .000235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Penedes,0.1217908,0 .1458668,0.0408662,0.0047275,0.0420497,0.0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Pirineu,0.1219803,0 .1465747,0.0426775,0.002584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Soria,0.121791,0.14 21745,0.0499685,0.0075905,0.0475475,0.001255,-0.0029375,-0.001269,0.0206565,0.0374495,-0.010474,0.01139,-0.017393,-0.0228455,0.0114005,0.0145185,0.01356,-0.002914,-0.0040855,-0.0006875,-0.000312,-0.001422,-0.003759,-0.0059045,-0.0020955
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0. 1220184,0.1468458,0.0414078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934
Hispania_Cartaginensis:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.1155305,0.1480135,0.040352,-0.00323,0.0420845,-0.004811,-0.0017038,0.0017308,0.024645,0.0339415,-0.0021108,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.0010605,-0.0060302,-0.00019,-0.0001257,-0.000688,0.005459,0.0014837,-0.0010477,-0.003886,-0.0010778
Hispania_Cartaginensis:Spanish_Alacant,0.1134437,0 .1465747,0.0372092,0.0002692,0.0413408,-0.002789,-0.0051308,0.001769,0.023486,0.0313143,-0.0050883,0.0085173,-0.0154857,-0.0118125,0.0104505,0.0032708,-0.0015428,0.0001057,-0.0040433,-0.0055652,0.0040345,-0.0004122,-0.0041903,-0.001707,0.0031333
Hispania_Cartaginensis:Spanish_Murcia,0.10927,0.14 2936,0.0379005,-0.005814,0.0454698,-0.0020918,-0.0049938,-0.003346,0.0252588,0.03221,-0.00341,0.0034095,-0.012376,-0.0108035,0.004716,-0.0014255,0.0010105,0.0008555,-6.28e-05,0.0010005,0.0050222,-0.0029368,-0.000678,-0.0030122,0.0019758
Hispania_Cartaginensis:Spanish_Valencia,0.1179965, 0.1446283,0.0408548,-0.0008882,0.0464702,-0.0014408,-0.0019975,0.0016346,0.0231624,0.0332581,-0.0030042,0.0083301,-0.0128593,-0.0123401,0.0096022,-0.0008507,-0.0046938,-0.0017209,-0.001236,-0.0009171,0.0055735,-0.0013706,-0.0020438,-0.0051411,0.0020557
Hispania_Gallaecia:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.10775 23,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Hispania_Gallaecia:Spanish_Galicia,0.1087643,0.146 4619,0.0410642,-0.0016509,0.0412043,-9.29e-05,-0.0054572,0.0024231,0.0247133,0.0300285,-0.0021291,0.0057365,-0.0126113,-0.0121567,0.0111441,0.0005893,-0.0042375,-0.0021607,-0.0050418,-0.0010076,0.0008734,-0.002899,-0.0008079,-0.0036818,0.0013038
Hispania_Gallaecia:Spanish_Asturias,0.110408,0.144 205,0.045632,0.000646,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Hispania_Balearica:Spanish_Baleares,0.1160993,0.14 69133,0.040603,-0.0027993,0.0407257,-0.0022313,-0.0005483,0.0024613,0.0192253,0.0292793,-0.004547,0.007943,-0.015015,-0.0126153,0.003936,0.0022537,0.0019993,0.0010557,0 .0011313,-0.004377,0.000541,0.000618,0.0012327,0.0003217,-0.004111
Hispania_Balearica:Spanish_Eivissa,0.1161872,0.146 7051,0.0376541,-0.0040251,0.0397233,-0.0034111,0.0002712,0.0031417,0.0206569,0.0299145,-0.0025234,0.0074242,-0.0122246,-0.0085537,0.0088218,0.0009688,-0.0036809,-0.0029237,-0.0023785,-0.0039826,0.0032538,0.0018168,-0.0017445,-0.0001853,-0.0014738
Hispania_Balearica:Spanish_Mallorca,0.1176172,0.14 79288,0.0389273,0.0010767,0.039392,-0.0013632,0.0003917,0.0030768,0.0174073,0.0279429,-0.0030313,0.0062778,-0.0155598,-0.0084102,0.0064392,0.0025192,0.0013618,0.001464,-0.0008798,-0.0013479,0.0009703,0.0007558,-0.0017529,0.0002009,-0.0002394
Hispania_Balearica:Spanish_Menorca,0.11572,0.14759 03,0.036832,-0.0060293,0.042777,-0.0016733,0.00141,0.0001537,0.0216793,0.02934,-0.002219,0.0092913,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.0028727,-0.0028247,0.0013937,-0.00088,-0.0017923,0.0032857,0.0019373,0.0010683,-0.006627,-0.0058677
Hispania_Lusitania:Spanish_Extremadura,0.1050967,0 .1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373
Hispania_Lusitania:Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114, 0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Hispania_Baetica:Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.146 0759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan,-0.0853671,0.1302133,-0.0128221,-0.0708806,0.0211321,-0.03294,-0.0277833,0.0097687,0.0554032,0.0243993,0.0095087,-0.0090252,0.0269902,-0.0144658,0.0163016,-0.0061874,-0.0027669,-0.0170326,-0.0384216,0.0094351,-0.0098438,-0.0295119,0.0209111,-0.0011248,0.0059207
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan_South,-0.1844646,0.119896,0.0007308,-0.0569288,0.0239659,-0.0268258,-0.0321962,0.0152301,0.0538154,0.0285428,0.0060591,-0.0068189,0.0227358,-0.0173318,0.0181018,-0.0153306,0.0010921,-0.0189241,-0.0407889,0.0085196,-0.0148254,-0.038456,0.0240718,-0.0034944,0.0054934

Resultados de la otra lista :)

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.3771% / 0.02377091
44.8 Hispania_Tarraconensis
22.0 Gallia_Aquitania
12.0 Italia_Roma
7.0 Corsica_Et_Sardinia
4.0 Anatolia_Bithynia_Et_Pontus
3.2 Mauretania_Caesariensis
2.6 Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia
2.6 Thracia
1.8 Mauretania_Tingitana

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.4553% / 0.02455335 | ADC: 0.25x
83.0 Hispania_Tarraconensis
7.8 Italia_Roma
4.0 Corsica_Et_Sardinia
2.4 Mauretania_Caesariensis
2.4 Thracia
0.4 Anatolia_Bithynia_Et_Pontus

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Por comparar resultados, la lista completa G25 escalada con promedios. Risas.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 1.8801% / 0.01880140
45.6 Spanish_Asturias
22.0 Sardinian
11.2 Shetlandic
9.0 Italian_Lombardy
4.4 Gupta
3.2 Basque_French
1.4 Baka
1.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.6 Mari
0.6 Moroccan_South
0.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.4 Kongo

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.0360% / 0.02035954 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
39.8 Spanish_Asturias
9.0 Sardinian
5.4 Italian_Lombardy
3.2 Gupta
1.2 Italian_Bergamo
1.0 Baka

Endovelicus
02-16-2020, 09:22 PM
Hispania Diocleciana

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.7383% / 0.01738290
80.6 Hispania_Balearica
10.2 Hispania_Tarraconensis
9.2 Mauretania_Tingitana


Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.8099% / 0.01809934 | ADC: 0.25x
67.4 Hispania_Balearica
14.4 Hispania_Gallaecia
10.8 Hispania_Lusitania
7.4 Mauretania_Tingitana

siempre puntuando Baleares :lol:

El Prudente
02-16-2020, 09:51 PM
Yo pienso que el FTDNA subestima al SSA. Tengo apenas 7% SSA en FTDNA, pero otras calculadoras me dan un poco más: entre 8% y 10% en LivingDNA (que no confio) y 9.5% en MyHeritage. En DNA.LAND tengo 9% usando raw data de FTDNA y 11% con la de MyHeritage.

Tengo un grande problema para descubrir la real carga negra (reciente, adquirida via esclavos negros en Brasil) en mi ADN. En algunos calculadores tengo tan poco como 6% y en otros tanto cuanto 12%, 6% de diferencia. Los calcs que atribuen SSA a ibéricos dan me mucho mas que los que no hacen, entonces estimo que 3-4% de mi SSA és norte-africano que viene del ibérico. Con lo que tenemos de ADN autosomico ahora, pienso que no teré respuesta conclusiva. Con el amerindio és más fácil, porque las % no varian mucho entre 1.5% y 3% en casi todos los calculadores.

En tu caso, dudo que tuyo SSA sea ancestria ''negra'' real. Es possible que sea parte de lo norte-africano de los ibéricos o sefardí. Muchos judíos sefardi tienen ''Africa Oriental'' en esas calculadoras y los magrebinos tienen algo de SSA.

A mi livingDNA me da 0 africano, igual que MH pero DNA.land me da 4,6% de norteafricano y 1,3% de africano del este

JJJ
02-16-2020, 10:00 PM
No sé que añadir más, pero lo publico igualmente. ¿A quién no le gusta el latín?

Suele funcionar mejor con 0.25x, aunque los franceses requieren al menos 1x debido a que Tarraconensis es Jupiter en esta hoja de cálculo y lo absorbe todo. Incluso los turcos sacan puntuación de esa provincia.

Provincias romanas


Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Barcelones,0.119286 6,0.1490798,0.045707,0.0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466 ,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0 .1190875,0.1444591,0.0421904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cantabria,0.119514, 0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castello,0.1203273, 0.1462361,0.0434766,0.0011536,0.045283,-0.0015539,-0.001175,0.0011867,0.0240169,0.0348331,-0.0056141,0.0068511,-0.0159703,-0.0151189,0.0078719,0.0046974,0.0027569,0.0013937,-0.0008799,-0.0002679,0.0057756,0.0004063,-0.0064089,-0.002169,0.0005646
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1 077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cataluna,0.114582,0 .1462363,0.0458833,0.0023687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0 .12432,0.1492828,0.0441231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0 016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Aragon,0.1195142,0. 14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Girona,0.1213354,0. 1459315,0.0418982,0.0032946,0.0411769,0.0016175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0 .152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0. 1468006,0.0429918,0.0020457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Navarra,0.1195143,0 .1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Penedes,0.1217908,0 .1458668,0.0408662,0.0047275,0.0420497,0.0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Pirineu,0.1219803,0 .1465747,0.0426775,0.002584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Soria,0.121791,0.14 21745,0.0499685,0.0075905,0.0475475,0.001255,-0.0029375,-0.001269,0.0206565,0.0374495,-0.010474,0.01139,-0.017393,-0.0228455,0.0114005,0.0145185,0.01356,-0.002914,-0.0040855,-0.0006875,-0.000312,-0.001422,-0.003759,-0.0059045,-0.0020955
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0. 1220184,0.1468458,0.0414078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.1155305,0.1480135,0.040352,-0.00323,0.0420845,-0.004811,-0.0017038,0.0017308,0.024645,0.0339415,-0.0021108,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.0010605,-0.0060302,-0.00019,-0.0001257,-0.000688,0.005459,0.0014837,-0.0010477,-0.003886,-0.0010778
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Alacant,0.1134437,0 .1465747,0.0372092,0.0002692,0.0413408,-0.002789,-0.0051308,0.001769,0.023486,0.0313143,-0.0050883,0.0085173,-0.0154857,-0.0118125,0.0104505,0.0032708,-0.0015428,0.0001057,-0.0040433,-0.0055652,0.0040345,-0.0004122,-0.0041903,-0.001707,0.0031333
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Murcia,0.10927,0.14 2936,0.0379005,-0.005814,0.0454698,-0.0020918,-0.0049938,-0.003346,0.0252588,0.03221,-0.00341,0.0034095,-0.012376,-0.0108035,0.004716,-0.0014255,0.0010105,0.0008555,-6.28e-05,0.0010005,0.0050222,-0.0029368,-0.000678,-0.0030122,0.0019758
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Valencia,0.1179965, 0.1446283,0.0408548,-0.0008882,0.0464702,-0.0014408,-0.0019975,0.0016346,0.0231624,0.0332581,-0.0030042,0.0083301,-0.0128593,-0.0123401,0.0096022,-0.0008507,-0.0046938,-0.0017209,-0.001236,-0.0009171,0.0055735,-0.0013706,-0.0020438,-0.0051411,0.0020557
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Galicia,0.1087643,0 .1464619,0.0410642,-0.0016509,0.0412043,-9.29e-05,-0.0054572,0.0024231,0.0247133,0.0300285,-0.0021291,0.0057365,-0.0126113,-0.0121567,0.0111441,0.0005893,-0.0042375,-0.0021607,-0.0050418,-0.0010076,0.0008734,-0.002899,-0.0008079,-0.0036818,0.0013038
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Asturias,0.110408,0 .144205,0.045632,0.000646,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Baleares,0.1160993, 0.1469133,0.040603,-0.0027993,0.0407257,-0.0022313,-0.0005483,0.0024613,0.0192253,0.0292793,-0.004547,0.007943,-0.015015,-0.0126153,0.003936,0.0022537,0.0019993,0.0010557,0 .0011313,-0.004377,0.000541,0.000618,0.0012327,0.0003217,-0.004111
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Eivissa,0.1161872,0 .1467051,0.0376541,-0.0040251,0.0397233,-0.0034111,0.0002712,0.0031417,0.0206569,0.0299145,-0.0025234,0.0074242,-0.0122246,-0.0085537,0.0088218,0.0009688,-0.0036809,-0.0029237,-0.0023785,-0.0039826,0.0032538,0.0018168,-0.0017445,-0.0001853,-0.0014738
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Mallorca,0.1176172, 0.1479288,0.0389273,0.0010767,0.039392,-0.0013632,0.0003917,0.0030768,0.0174073,0.0279429,-0.0030313,0.0062778,-0.0155598,-0.0084102,0.0064392,0.0025192,0.0013618,0.001464,-0.0008798,-0.0013479,0.0009703,0.0007558,-0.0017529,0.0002009,-0.0002394
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Menorca,0.11572,0.1 475903,0.036832,-0.0060293,0.042777,-0.0016733,0.00141,0.0001537,0.0216793,0.02934,-0.002219,0.0092913,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.0028727,-0.0028247,0.0013937,-0.00088,-0.0017923,0.0032857,0.0019373,0.0010683,-0.006627,-0.0058677
Hispania_Lusitania:Spanish_Extremadura,0.1050967,0 .1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373
Hispania_Lusitania:Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114, 0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Hispania_Baetica:Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.146 0759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Gallia_Aquitania:Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0.151 6523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0.00023 5,0.002923,0.0277467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Gallia_Aquitania:Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.150411 1,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Gallia_Aquitania:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246, 0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Gallia_Aquitania:French_South,0.1261811,0.1447856, 0.0496183,0.0088594,0.0506907,0.0026694,0.0002686, 0.0022747,0.0276401,0.0386601,-0.0067741,0.0073649,-0.021853,-0.0135659,0.0103729,0.0027653,-0.0051034,0.0017917,0.0002154,0.0019116,0.0049911,-0.0008301,-0.0052646,-0.0075569,-0.00142
Gallia_Germania:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715, 0.0503172,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199, 0.0048748,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Gallia_Germania:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508 694,0.0285197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.00345 29,0.0074159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Gallia_Belgica:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0 513571,0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0 044194,0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Auvergne,0.1254161,0.144 6566,0.0474194,0.0129918,0.0434726,0.0039974,-0.0003394,0.0025128,0.0154076,0.0221721,-0.0024659,0.0073546,-0.0139686,-0.0096693,0.0082989,0.001483,-0.0007871,0.0014968,0.0030726,-0.000213,0.0018579,0.003737,-0.0022823,0.0018163,-8.87e-05
Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Brittany,0.1314657,0.138 3406,0.0578504,0.0392849,0.0391688,0.0158131,0.003 1549,0.0042114,0.008186,0.0094899,-0.0051314,0.00559,-0.014368,-0.0131017,0.0183426,0.0043987,-0.0073016,0.0012795,-0.000462,0.0017727,0.0044671,0.0017868,-0.001254,0.0105465,0.0006586
Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Paris,0.1271714,0.141435 5,0.0504313,0.0239901,0.0409027,0.0093048,0.002798 5,0.0054544,0.0116022,0.0181739,-0.0077061,0.0068121,-0.0129065,-0.0103844,0.0137695,0.0060631,-0.0018255,0.0046644,0.0027082,-0.0009778,0.0022007,0.0035747,-0.0012325,0.0111405,-0.0019051
Gallia_Narbonensis:French_Occitanie,0.1270391,0.14 48823,0.048879,0.0179086,0.0433756,0.0034164,0.000 5222,0.0038909,0.0148564,0.0235894,-0.0032883,0.0065816,-0.0150436,-0.0094578,0.010737,0.0025671,-0.0037088,0.0024846,0.0014247,4.52e-05,0.0036706,0.0024456,-0.0025505,0.0017673,0.0004224
Gallia_Narbonensis:French_Provence,0.1219247,0.143 8468,0.0368914,0.005358,0.0368574,0.0023296,0.0022 671,0.0036379,0.0100577,0.0204533,-0.0038687,0.0072112,-0.0121376,-0.0109614,0.0059557,0.0031744,0.0010967,0.0028095, 0.0017746,-0.0015155,0.0015414,0.0027349,0.0003552,0.0054435, 3.52e-05
Britannia:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.0 44013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.00 52637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
Britannia:English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0 613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0 063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
Italia_Roma:Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italia_Roma:Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1286205,0.14522 05,0.0388435,0.010013,0.0326215,0.004183,0,0.00103 85,0.00634,0.017039,-0.004628,0.0041215,-0.0111495,-0.004679,0.0045465,-0.000265,-0.002021,-0.00057,0.0006285,0.000625,-0.002246,0.004328,0.000493,0.0030725,-0.0022155
Italia_Roma:Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italia_Roma:Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877 ,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italia_Roma:Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0. 0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italia_Roma:Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italia_Roma:Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italia_Roma:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.00 6694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italia_Roma:Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.02 7153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italia_Roma:Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0. 0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italia_Roma:Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0 086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italia_Roma:Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.001 32,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italia_Roma:Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524, 0.035611,0.0017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0 .0020439,0.0068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italia_Roma:Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0 .0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italia_Roma:Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italia_Roma:Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0. 0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italia_Roma:Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0 077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italia_Roma:Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0 303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Sicilia:Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Sicilia:Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Corsica_Et_Sardinia:Sardinian,0.1206524,0.1679686, 0.0276806,-0.0515508,0.0603188,-0.0224786,-0.003478,0.004292,0.0427048,0.0798558,-0.0020784,0.0158856,-0.0270266,-0.0131842,-0.0132192,-0.004614,0.0120476,-0.0013176,0.0017596,-0.012931,-0.0050908,-0.0042044,-0.0097122,-0.021087,0.0008382
Corsica_Et_Sardinia:French_Corsica,0.1203273,0.151 8216,0.0195294,-0.0230022,0.0350394,-0.0100401,-0.0018464,-0.0005604,0.0157044,0.0337918,-0.0006031,0.0074612,-0.0132308,-0.0071074,-0.004537,-0.0005968,0.0040419,0.0012489,0.0024511,-0.0030461,-0.0003923,0.0002474,-0.0025793,-0.0013858,-0.0005303
Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia:Swiss_French,0.1273395,0.1448 398,0.0414364,0.0102149,0.0411615,0.0064842,0.0008 224,0.0028845,0.0118111,0.0194308,-0.000751,0.0065942,-0.0159622,-0.0125238,0.0083468,0.0021712,0.0057533,-0.0016154,0.003661,-0.0003439,0.0047886,0.0036478,0.0016638,0.0025756,-0.0004791
Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.14077 79,0.0460088,0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.00279 06,0.0051344,0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia:Swiss_Italian,0.1221703,0.141 1583,0.0232557,-0.014535,0.026774,-0.0027887,0.000235,0.0036923,0.00934,0.0202283,0.0 007577,0.003097,-0.0111993,-0.0034867,-0.0030763,0.0019447,0.0061283,-0.0024913,0.002095,-0.0022927,0.002329,-0.0002473,-0.001479,0.0061453,-0.0005187
Noricum:Austrian,0.1290886,0.1350056,0.054394,0.03 2737,0.0347756,0.0125666,0.0072299,0.0062441,0.002 8274,0.0027551,-0.0038781,0.0007847,-0.0012942,0.0027849,0.0005029,0.0036968,0.0002223, 0.00079,0.0031793,0.0008385,-0.0009909,-0.0026548,0.0016675,0.0029627,-0.0010284
Pannonia:Hungarian,0.1270753,0.1296252,0.0553559,0 .0364298,0.0363804,0.0119326,0.0066138,0.0075326,0 .0020597,-0.0046731,-0.0014731,-0.0027191,0.0038544,0.0087488,-0.0043722,0.0001231,-8.4e-05,-0.0003891,0.0026486,-0.0013221,-0.003378,0.0013865,0.0055286,0.0026939,0.0004789
Pannonia:Slovenian,0.1288476,0.1352686,0.056191,0. 0338504,0.0349602,0.0126616,0.0065332,0.0069688,0. 0031086,-0.004483,-0.0031828,-0.0022482,0.0022298,0.0151936,-0.0086318,-0.002201,0.0002086,0.0013682,0.0078184,-0.0011508,-0.004018,-0.0027946,0.0014052,-0.001976,0.0021792
Illyricum:Croatian,0.128051,0.1338467,0.0518917,0. 0314925,0.035822,0.0125223,0.0060161,0.0067381,0.0 018408,-0.0058862,-0.001153,-0.0023827,0.0047275,0.0127851,-0.0066365,-0.0022011,0.0027512,-0.0007223,0.0018101,-0.0007503,-0.005166,-0.0024236,0.0044246,-0.0010966,0.0001796
Illyricum:Albanian,0.1181863,0.1417511,0.0155562,-0.0158808,0.0251586,-0.0074138,0.0033683,0.0018077,0.0006648,0.0161279, 0.0011097,0.0015486,-0.0070986,0.0066059,-0.019295,-0.0041544,0.0081273,0.0014992,0.0082962,-0.0059402,-0.0055629,0.0007212,0.0024238,0.0021991,-0.0025248
Illyricum:Bosnian,0.1290754,0.1348622,0.0449528,0. 0248064,0.0312058,0.0098726,0.004841,0.0052152,-0.0024136,-0.001859,0.0004224,-0.0028176,0.00556,0.0162396,-0.0125404,0.0010078,0.0066756,-0.000583,0.004827,0.0030266,-0.0050912,-0.0034376,0.0075182,0.001229,-0.0016286
Illyricum:Montenegrin,0.1263436,0.136487,0.039673, 0.013889,0.0318826,0.0074744,0.004512,0.0058612,0. 0001228,0.002515,-0.001429,-0.0006592,-0.000684,0.0105144,-0.0129208,0.0029436,0.0087096,-0.0013428,0.0070894,-0.0012758,-0.0048414,0.0012364,0.005497,0.0016388,0.0007904
Dacia:Romanian,0.1245225,0.1340499,0.034167,0.0087 856,0.0288362,0.0030677,0.0036425,0.0059073,0.0012 475,0.0061596,-0.0034427,-0.0002098,-0.0005352,0.0080509,-0.0126626,-0.0005172,0.0059194,-0.0014823,0.0033686,-0.0030764,-0.0066882,-0.0025225,0.0037343,0.0012171,-0.0012694
Dacia:Moldavian,0.121563,0.1372996,0.0264361,-0.0015504,0.0230812,8.38e-05,0.0045121,0.0031846,-0.0010635,0.0033896,-0.0003408,0.0020532,0.0025124,0.0098675,-0.0115634,-0.0019095,0.0080316,-0.0003673,0.0044121,-0.0005879,-0.004804,0.0017806,0.0020213,0.0001568,-4.8e-05
Moesia:Serbian,0.1265712,0.137706,0.0370332,0.0138 244,0.0298516,0.003012,0.003854,0.006,0.0011862,0. 0026242,-0.0010716,-0.0006894,0.0042816,0.0120556,-0.0128932,-0.005489,0.0062582,-0.0002786,0.004676,-0.0049274,-0.007836,-0.00183,0.0053492,0.00094,-0.0028502
Moesia:Bulgarian,0.12475,0.1348622,0.0256442,0.005 3618,0.02462,-0.0008368,0.005499,0.0030458,-0.0002862,0.0069978,-0.0033452,0.0008992,0.002111,0.0086426,-0.0143046,-0.0022274,0.0070928,0.0020016,0.0031424,-0.0037018,-0.0046168,-0.000544,0.00281,-0.0024824,-0.0010776
Graecia_Macedonia:Macedonian,0.1252056,0.1413618,0 .0305468,0.0042636,0.027328,0.005522,0.0063922,0.0 037382,0.0002864,0.0033532,-3.24e-05,6e-05,0.0026462,0.011588,-0.0157436,-0.0011934,0.0079794,0.0006586,0.0042986,-0.0044772,-0.0116544,-0.0006678,0.0039934,-0.0009884,-0.0003352
Graecia_Macedonia:Greek_Central_Macedonia,0.119447 3,0.142473,0.0157725,-0.016492,0.0213432,-0.0035601,0.0020321,1e-07,0.0008782,0.0120812,0.0009934,0.0018424,-0.0014429,0.0070025,-0.016957,-0.0005459,0.0098095,8.94e-05,0.0050649,-0.0035531,-0.0078319,0.0015057,0.0032408,0.0005529,-0.0007256
Graecia_Achaia:Greek_Peloponnese,0.118376,0.143866 7,0.0037713,-0.0325153,0.0159003,-0.010412,0.001645,-0.000923,-0.000409,0.018102,0.000108,0.0039467,-0.0058967,0.0037157,-0.016377,0.0023863,0.0134297,0.0003377,0.009176,-0.0007083,-0.0092753,0.003998,0.0013967,-0.0001203,-0.0033927
Graecia_Achaia:Greek_Thessaly,0.119135,0.1452207,0 .013702,-0.020026,0.0188753,-0.0051133,0.0005483,0.000769,0,0.01877,0.0026523,0 .0040963,-0.0072843,0.0056883,-0.0090933,-0.0041987,0.0021297,-0.000549,0.0041483,-0.005336,-0.0069877,0.0012777,0.0035743,0.0014057,-0.003353
Thracia:Greek_Thrace,0.118376,0.136081,0.018102,-0.001938,0.025851,-0.012829,-0.00094,0.009461,-0.008999,0.011663,-0.001949,0.002398,-0.00669,0.015551,-0.02158,-0.015778,-0.008866,0.007855,0.013073,-0.016508,-0.007487,0.003833,0.00493,-0.010001,-0.001916
Thracia:Turkish_Balkans,0.1112051,0.1000298,0.0167 065,-0.0027132,0.008309,-0.0005576,0.004183,0.0047075,-0.0056245,3.64e-05,-0.0014129,-0.002293,0.0023339,0.005436,-0.0095275,0.0005303,0.0052154,0.0004181,0.0036075,-0.0013883,-0.0073244,0.0003092,-0.0003082,0.0022413,0.0003473
Thracia:Turkish_Istanbul,0.1050588,0.0965769,-0.0197987,-0.0251294,-0.0122792,-0.0066096,0.004277,-0.0003459,-0.0155644,0.0003462,0.0010232,0.0033872,-0.0036867,0.0011009,-0.0061074,-0.0015515,0.0041984,0.0020396,0.0042361,-0.0009129,-0.0015845,-8.64e-05,0.0009245,-0.0006506,0.00079
Cyrenaica_Et_Creta:Greek_Crete,0.1070972,0.1463285 ,-0.0168335,-0.0466295,0.0057632,-0.0153645,0.0022005,-0.0013009,-0.0029936,0.0129388,0.0013876,0.0027794,-0.0009596,0.0043915,-0.0122765,-0.0038692,0.001529,0.0008983,0.0040565,-0.0055482,-0.0050935,0.0014165,-0.0007506,-0.0012051,-0.0019595
Cyrenaica_Et_Creta:Greek_Izmir,0.1146199,0.1443068 ,-0.0024135,-0.0345287,0.0149874,-0.0126059,0.0025145,-0.0015,-0.0022907,0.0150346,0.0018999,0.0031323,-0.003434,0.0018576,-0.0129749,0.0001989,0.0107827,-0.0001141,0.0059203,-0.0030515,-0.0060393,0.0019289,0.0002095,0.0023496,-0.0030056
Cyrenaica_Et_Creta:Greek_Kos,0.1076261,0.1464618,-0.0220407,-0.0538692,0.0041031,-0.018252,0.0008617,-0.0036921,-0.0059994,0.0167861,0.0026524,0.0031472,-0.0039148,0.0009634,-0.0106012,0.0029906,0.0100107,0.0009432,0.0037151,-0.0036407,-0.0038128,0.0016762,-0.0001778,-0.0014059,-0.0021157
Anatolia_Cilicia:Turkish_Adana,0.09656,0.0934283,-0.0336265,-0.0383293,-0.0280565,-0.0145487,0.004935,-0.002846,-0.0176913,-0.002612,-0.0009747,0.0020732,0.0008672,-0.0002065,-0.0027822,0.0003315,0.0028032,0.0006337,0.0024092,-0.0050442,-0.0020797,-0.0012778,-0.0017253,-0.0035347,0.0005388
Anatolia_Cilicia:Turkish_South,0.094018,0.0497608,-0.0207418,-0.0324292,-0.0293592,-0.0107652,0.0080372,-0.0001386,-0.0207388,-0.0028794,-0.0017862,0.0001498,-0.0032408,-0.0026976,-0.0009226,0.0042428,0.0062844,0.0012162,-0.0004524,-0.0002252,-0.0030694,0.0021762,-0.0051516,0.004338,0.0039756
Anatolia_Asia:Turkish_Aydin,0.0947984,0.0610769,-0.012391,-0.0360837,-0.0198277,-0.014343,0.0034579,-0.000923,-0.0170047,-0.0016923,-0.0015313,-0.0002354,-0.0045023,0.0049937,-0.0059136,0.0014774,0.002943,0.0004526,0.0012569,-0.0014293,-0.0034401,-0.0027736,-0.0037326,-0.000895,-0.0015567
Anatolia_Asia:Turkish_Balikesir,0.0986467,0.059746 8,-0.0099938,-0.0267013,-0.0182087,-0.0137122,0.0066585,0.0046535,-0.015612,0.0036752,-0.0004873,0.0037717,-0.0032953,0.0018578,0.001312,-0.0014587,-0.0012822,0.0014568,0.0036242,-0.001959,-0.0054487,0.0008862,-0.0010475,0.0009438,-0.0001997
Anatolia_Galatia:Turkish_Central,0.097275,0.084132 7,-0.0305758,-0.0405241,-0.0228443,-0.0133439,0.0035069,-0.0019525,-0.021066,-0.0021728,-0.0002998,0.0027898,-0.0036708,0.0009528,-0.0056584,-0.0015502,0.0006519,0.0011109,0.0010635,-0.0017988,-0.0013438,0.0018834,-0.0018203,-0.0004636,0.0004421
Anatolia_Cappadocia:Turkish_Kayseri,0.0997089,0.09 75922,-0.0341294,-0.045866,-0.0242198,-0.0121875,0.0031256,-0.0010152,-0.0233158,-0.0002735,-0.0007144,0.0003747,-0.0012487,0.0030414,-0.0035422,-9.28e-05,0.0007563,0.0008615,0.0019987,-0.0034517,-0.001797,0.0011499,-0.0026129,-0.002916,-0.0005507
Anatolia_Capaddocia:Turkish_Trabzon,0.1092702,0.13 91276,-0.0540038,-0.0608532,-0.0242508,-0.0165662,0.004982,-0.0074306,-0.0362826,0.0004376,0.0032154,0.0066242,-0.0086816,0.005395,-0.010315,-0.0089364,0.0083706,0.0005068,0.0010054,0.001901,0 .0063136,-0.0006184,0.0016514,-0.004121,-0.0007184
Anatolia_Bithynia_Et_Pontus:Turkish_North,0.100847 2,0.0560572,-0.0221744,-0.0341734,-0.027205,-0.011825,0.007473,-0.0003694,-0.022743,-0.0023692,-0.0030204,0.0035968,-0.0066006,0.004184,-0.0076818,-0.0048526,0.0003132,0.0012414,0.0013324,-0.004027,-0.0065134,0.0032148,-0.0026866,0.0006024,-0.0022994
Anatolia_Bithynia_Et_Pontus:Turkish_Northwest,0.09 95953,0.0639783,-0.0138275,-0.0285855,-0.0186187,-0.01255,0.00517,-0.000846,-0.0172822,-0.0011238,-0.0024087,0.0017485,-0.0036422,0.0019955,-0.0031895,0.0003317,0.0080838,-0.0008237,-0.0006075,0.0012715,-0.004596,0.000742,-0.0013147,0.0004418,0.0007983
Anatolia_Lycia_Et_Pamphylia:Turkish_Southwest,0.09 54045,0.0585314,-0.0177931,-0.0312429,-0.0223256,-0.0116374,0.0053836,0.0006084,-0.0149116,0.0018555,-0.0011515,0.0007358,-0.002973,-0.0010509,-0.0048735,0.007859,0.0102175,0.0007485,0.0005829,-0.0003978,-0.0040155,-0.0021471,-0.003395,0.0007012,-0.0018289
Cyprus:Cypriot,0.0997375,0.146744,-0.0378534,-0.0702525,-0.0070011,-0.0242986,0.001645,-0.0047594,0.0029656,0.0138728,0.0044454,-0.0001499,0.0025459,0.0018234,-0.0086014,0.0008947,0.0023631,0.0009978,0.0022469,-0.0012506,-0.0024489,0.0011438,-0.0027115,0.0017774,-0.0020656
Armenia:Armenian,0.1028676,0.1379851,-0.0581239,-0.0608451,-0.0286976,-0.0158969,0.0046413,-0.0057114,-0.0304485,-0.0043964,0.0012991,-0.0002249,-0.003029,0.0024773,-0.0046145,-0.0014582,0.0004075,0.0008232,0.0025769,-0.0027984,0.0001561,0.0024885,-0.0022492,-0.0021838,-1.51e-05
Assyria:Syrian,0.0647593,0.1259791,-0.0488273,-0.060962,-0.0190156,-0.0195664,-0.0032034,-0.0024897,-0.0016685,-0.0018415,0.0023845,-0.0054188,0.0109304,0.0005794,-0.0027502,0.0051012,-0.0038155,-0.0006535,0.0020773,0.0003554,0.0015368,0.0001432,-0.0023935,-0.0007419,6.2e-06
Mesopotamia:Iraqw,-0.354559,0.085812,-0.0213075,-0.0563635,0.000154,-0.0292835,-0.0008225,-0.0119995,0.1063525,-0.0768125,-0.007226,-0.0062945,-0.008622,-0.0001375,0.01934,-0.019955,0.0174715,0.010832,0.0042735,-0.0072535,-0.0010605,0.005688,0.001294,-0.003675,0.002694
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan,-0.0853671,0.1302133,-0.0128221,-0.0708806,0.0211321,-0.03294,-0.0277833,0.0097687,0.0554032,0.0243993,0.0095087,-0.0090252,0.0269902,-0.0144658,0.0163016,-0.0061874,-0.0027669,-0.0170326,-0.0384216,0.0094351,-0.0098438,-0.0295119,0.0209111,-0.0011248,0.0059207
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan_South,-0.1844646,0.119896,0.0007308,-0.0569288,0.0239659,-0.0268258,-0.0321962,0.0152301,0.0538154,0.0285428,0.0060591,-0.0068189,0.0227358,-0.0173318,0.0181018,-0.0153306,0.0010921,-0.0189241,-0.0407889,0.0085196,-0.0148254,-0.038456,0.0240718,-0.0034944,0.0054934
Mauretania_Caesariensis:Berber_Algeria,-0.2936636,0.1051579,0.0019988,-0.0400681,0.0144488,-0.012341,-0.0366736,0.0210568,0.0269358,0.0215312,0.0057566,-0.0045259,0.021318,-0.0074316,0.0114277,-0.0088304,0.0031227,-0.011079,-0.023053,0.0049898,-0.0073621,-0.019636,0.0121769,-0.0003616,0.0026523
Africa_Proconsularis:Tunisian,-0.048517,0.1313841,-0.0150849,-0.0751379,0.019619,-0.0306779,-0.022091,0.005019,0.0543778,0.0197954,0.0054402,-0.0080365,0.0267404,-0.0101842,0.013046,-0.0071432,-0.003716,-0.0129222,-0.0290048,0.0051745,-0.0104502,-0.0228294,0.0181174,-0.0033439,0.0002096
Africa_Proconsularis:Libyan,-0.0476858,0.1309498,-0.0219326,-0.080954,0.0089733,-0.0345677,-0.020953,0.0030243,0.0520675,0.0098215,0.0061365,-0.0123917,0.0292235,-0.0049978,0.0085218,-0.0005094,-0.003788,-0.0095751,-0.0201184,0.0112686,-0.0028108,-0.0132634,0.0093993,0.0007991,-0.0002963
Aegyptus:Egyptian,-0.01548,0.1341176,-0.042778,-0.0872208,-0.0044008,-0.0333553,-0.0137874,0.0005691,0.037605,0.0011968,0.0069772,-0.0087772,0.0229334,0.0018258,-0.0005202,-6.19e-05,-0.003303,-0.0026182,-0.0034861,0.0032432,-0.0005781,-0.0022875,0.0008381,0.0008636,-0.0004072
Judaea_Syria:Palestinian,0.0455292,0.134253,-0.0473285,-0.0780045,-0.0126482,-0.0297299,-0.0062276,-0.0019845,0.0167504,-0.0003096,0.0081843,-0.0096364,0.0203072,-0.0013211,-0.00095,0.0097452,-0.0020079,-0.001761,8.81e-05,0.0025387,0.0011356,0.0052801,-0.0001603,0.0023977,0.001844
Judaea_Syria:Palestinian_Beit_Sahour,0.0876435,0.1 46744,-0.0541165,-0.084949,-0.0156955,-0.023148,-0.005405,-0.0050765,0.01176,0.0102965,0.00341,-0.00577,0.010927,-0.0052295,-0.004886,0.0144525,0.009844,0.0019635,-0.0001255,-0.0011255,-0.0016845,0.003895,0.0035125,0.005362,0.0033525
Judaea_Syria:Syrian,0.0647593,0.1259791,-0.0488273,-0.060962,-0.0190156,-0.0195664,-0.0032034,-0.0024897,-0.0016685,-0.0018415,0.0023845,-0.0054188,0.0109304,0.0005794,-0.0027502,0.0051012,-0.0038155,-0.0006535,0.0020773,0.0003554,0.0015368,0.0001432,-0.0023935,-0.0007419,6.2e-06
Judaea_Syria:Syrian_Jew,0.0870745,0.142682,-0.0358265,-0.066538,-0.005847,-0.0220325,-0.0043475,-0.002423,0.0006135,0.008383,0.0064145,0.0004495,0. 0055,-0.0002065,-0.0001355,0.0007955,-0.003977,-0.002534,-0.0037705,-0.004815,0.001248,-0.003277,0.0030195,-0.001807,0.002335
Judaea_Syria:Lebanese_Christian,0.0881496,0.145784 9,-0.0488581,-0.0788479,-0.0128912,-0.03074,-0.0004961,-0.0042818,0.0051812,0.0102254,0.0066579,-0.0045293,0.0103899,0,-0.0103147,0.0084709,-0.0021007,0.0017877,0.0025419,-0.0001251,0.0007627,-0.0003022,-0.0014104,0.0023564,-0.0012108
Judaea_Syria:Lebanese_Druze,0.0841153,0.1404478,-0.0496667,-0.070091,-0.0156642,-0.0251838,-0.0024205,-0.0053304,-0.0023112,0.0075992,0.0051477,-0.0030274,0.009083,0.0020232,-0.0068675,0.0061655,-0.0020861,0.0008361,0.0024761,-0.000913,-0.0013225,0.0019414,0.0002465,0.0025182,-0.0005866
Judaea_Syria:Lebanese_Muslim,0.075744,0.1347885,-0.0450488,-0.0672721,-0.0164783,-0.0223113,-0.0007905,-0.00579,0.0005764,0.0036448,0.0045911,-0.0038285,0.0120145,0.0028025,-0.008649,0.0038692,-0.0023587,0.0004147,0.0016226,0.0007048,-0.0016902,-0.0011465,-0.0030812,0.0017638,-0.0006749


A mi livingDNA me da 0 africano, igual que MH pero DNA.land me da 4,6% de norteafricano y 1,3% de africano del este

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Endovelicus
02-16-2020, 11:21 PM
^^

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.6195% / 0.01619450 | ADC: 0.25x
66.0 Hispania_Tarraconensis
17.0 Hispania_Lusitania
9.0 Italia_Roma
4.4 Mauretania_Caesariensis
2.4 Aegyptus
1.2 Sicilia



Distance to: Endovelicus_scaled
0.02875895 Hispania_Lusitania:Spanish_Extremadura
0.02931457 Hispania_Lusitania:Portuguese
0.03013592 Hispania_Baetica:Spanish_Andalucia
0.03059652 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03098700 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Galicia
0.03362421 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Murcia
0.03429102 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Eivissa
0.03557503 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03572557 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Menorca
0.03583045 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Alacant
0.03889188 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Baleares
0.03910024 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Valencia
0.03980500 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Mallorca
0.04027963 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cataluna
0.04143737 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04165053 Italia_Roma:Italian_Liguria
0.04199268 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Aragon
0.04209758 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04231481 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Asturias
0.04297899 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04314702 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Barcelones
0.04418926 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Girona
0.04426052 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Lleida
0.04438060 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Navarra
0.04480257 Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castello

El Prudente
02-17-2020, 12:10 AM
No sé que añadir más, pero lo publico igualmente. ¿A quién no le gusta el latín?

Suele funcionar mejor con 0.25x, aunque los franceses requieren al menos 1x debido a que Tarraconensis es Jupiter en esta hoja de cálculo y lo absorbe todo. Incluso los turcos sacan puntuación de esa provincia.

Provincias romanas


Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Barcelones,0.119286 6,0.1490798,0.045707,0.0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466 ,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0 .1190875,0.1444591,0.0421904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cantabria,0.119514, 0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castello,0.1203273, 0.1462361,0.0434766,0.0011536,0.045283,-0.0015539,-0.001175,0.0011867,0.0240169,0.0348331,-0.0056141,0.0068511,-0.0159703,-0.0151189,0.0078719,0.0046974,0.0027569,0.0013937,-0.0008799,-0.0002679,0.0057756,0.0004063,-0.0064089,-0.002169,0.0005646
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1 077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Cataluna,0.114582,0 .1462363,0.0458833,0.0023687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0 .12432,0.1492828,0.0441231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0 016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Aragon,0.1195142,0. 14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Girona,0.1213354,0. 1459315,0.0418982,0.0032946,0.0411769,0.0016175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0 .152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0. 1468006,0.0429918,0.0020457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Navarra,0.1195143,0 .1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Penedes,0.1217908,0 .1458668,0.0408662,0.0047275,0.0420497,0.0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Pirineu,0.1219803,0 .1465747,0.0426775,0.002584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Soria,0.121791,0.14 21745,0.0499685,0.0075905,0.0475475,0.001255,-0.0029375,-0.001269,0.0206565,0.0374495,-0.010474,0.01139,-0.017393,-0.0228455,0.0114005,0.0145185,0.01356,-0.002914,-0.0040855,-0.0006875,-0.000312,-0.001422,-0.003759,-0.0059045,-0.0020955
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0. 1220184,0.1468458,0.0414078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.1155305,0.1480135,0.040352,-0.00323,0.0420845,-0.004811,-0.0017038,0.0017308,0.024645,0.0339415,-0.0021108,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.0010605,-0.0060302,-0.00019,-0.0001257,-0.000688,0.005459,0.0014837,-0.0010477,-0.003886,-0.0010778
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Alacant,0.1134437,0 .1465747,0.0372092,0.0002692,0.0413408,-0.002789,-0.0051308,0.001769,0.023486,0.0313143,-0.0050883,0.0085173,-0.0154857,-0.0118125,0.0104505,0.0032708,-0.0015428,0.0001057,-0.0040433,-0.0055652,0.0040345,-0.0004122,-0.0041903,-0.001707,0.0031333
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Murcia,0.10927,0.14 2936,0.0379005,-0.005814,0.0454698,-0.0020918,-0.0049938,-0.003346,0.0252588,0.03221,-0.00341,0.0034095,-0.012376,-0.0108035,0.004716,-0.0014255,0.0010105,0.0008555,-6.28e-05,0.0010005,0.0050222,-0.0029368,-0.000678,-0.0030122,0.0019758
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Valencia,0.1179965, 0.1446283,0.0408548,-0.0008882,0.0464702,-0.0014408,-0.0019975,0.0016346,0.0231624,0.0332581,-0.0030042,0.0083301,-0.0128593,-0.0123401,0.0096022,-0.0008507,-0.0046938,-0.0017209,-0.001236,-0.0009171,0.0055735,-0.0013706,-0.0020438,-0.0051411,0.0020557
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Galicia,0.1087643,0 .1464619,0.0410642,-0.0016509,0.0412043,-9.29e-05,-0.0054572,0.0024231,0.0247133,0.0300285,-0.0021291,0.0057365,-0.0126113,-0.0121567,0.0111441,0.0005893,-0.0042375,-0.0021607,-0.0050418,-0.0010076,0.0008734,-0.002899,-0.0008079,-0.0036818,0.0013038
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Asturias,0.110408,0 .144205,0.045632,0.000646,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Baleares,0.1160993, 0.1469133,0.040603,-0.0027993,0.0407257,-0.0022313,-0.0005483,0.0024613,0.0192253,0.0292793,-0.004547,0.007943,-0.015015,-0.0126153,0.003936,0.0022537,0.0019993,0.0010557,0 .0011313,-0.004377,0.000541,0.000618,0.0012327,0.0003217,-0.004111
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Eivissa,0.1161872,0 .1467051,0.0376541,-0.0040251,0.0397233,-0.0034111,0.0002712,0.0031417,0.0206569,0.0299145,-0.0025234,0.0074242,-0.0122246,-0.0085537,0.0088218,0.0009688,-0.0036809,-0.0029237,-0.0023785,-0.0039826,0.0032538,0.0018168,-0.0017445,-0.0001853,-0.0014738
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Mallorca,0.1176172, 0.1479288,0.0389273,0.0010767,0.039392,-0.0013632,0.0003917,0.0030768,0.0174073,0.0279429,-0.0030313,0.0062778,-0.0155598,-0.0084102,0.0064392,0.0025192,0.0013618,0.001464,-0.0008798,-0.0013479,0.0009703,0.0007558,-0.0017529,0.0002009,-0.0002394
Hispania_Tarraconensis:Spanish_Menorca,0.11572,0.1 475903,0.036832,-0.0060293,0.042777,-0.0016733,0.00141,0.0001537,0.0216793,0.02934,-0.002219,0.0092913,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.0028727,-0.0028247,0.0013937,-0.00088,-0.0017923,0.0032857,0.0019373,0.0010683,-0.006627,-0.0058677
Hispania_Lusitania:Spanish_Extremadura,0.1050967,0 .1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373
Hispania_Lusitania:Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114, 0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Hispania_Baetica:Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.146 0759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Gallia_Aquitania:Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0.151 6523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0.00023 5,0.002923,0.0277467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Gallia_Aquitania:Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.150411 1,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Gallia_Aquitania:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246, 0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Gallia_Aquitania:French_South,0.1261811,0.1447856, 0.0496183,0.0088594,0.0506907,0.0026694,0.0002686, 0.0022747,0.0276401,0.0386601,-0.0067741,0.0073649,-0.021853,-0.0135659,0.0103729,0.0027653,-0.0051034,0.0017917,0.0002154,0.0019116,0.0049911,-0.0008301,-0.0052646,-0.0075569,-0.00142
Gallia_Germania:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715, 0.0503172,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199, 0.0048748,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Gallia_Germania:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508 694,0.0285197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.00345 29,0.0074159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Gallia_Belgica:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0 513571,0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0 044194,0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Auvergne,0.1254161,0.144 6566,0.0474194,0.0129918,0.0434726,0.0039974,-0.0003394,0.0025128,0.0154076,0.0221721,-0.0024659,0.0073546,-0.0139686,-0.0096693,0.0082989,0.001483,-0.0007871,0.0014968,0.0030726,-0.000213,0.0018579,0.003737,-0.0022823,0.0018163,-8.87e-05
Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Brittany,0.1314657,0.138 3406,0.0578504,0.0392849,0.0391688,0.0158131,0.003 1549,0.0042114,0.008186,0.0094899,-0.0051314,0.00559,-0.014368,-0.0131017,0.0183426,0.0043987,-0.0073016,0.0012795,-0.000462,0.0017727,0.0044671,0.0017868,-0.001254,0.0105465,0.0006586
Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Paris,0.1271714,0.141435 5,0.0504313,0.0239901,0.0409027,0.0093048,0.002798 5,0.0054544,0.0116022,0.0181739,-0.0077061,0.0068121,-0.0129065,-0.0103844,0.0137695,0.0060631,-0.0018255,0.0046644,0.0027082,-0.0009778,0.0022007,0.0035747,-0.0012325,0.0111405,-0.0019051
Gallia_Narbonensis:French_Occitanie,0.1270391,0.14 48823,0.048879,0.0179086,0.0433756,0.0034164,0.000 5222,0.0038909,0.0148564,0.0235894,-0.0032883,0.0065816,-0.0150436,-0.0094578,0.010737,0.0025671,-0.0037088,0.0024846,0.0014247,4.52e-05,0.0036706,0.0024456,-0.0025505,0.0017673,0.0004224
Gallia_Narbonensis:French_Provence,0.1219247,0.143 8468,0.0368914,0.005358,0.0368574,0.0023296,0.0022 671,0.0036379,0.0100577,0.0204533,-0.0038687,0.0072112,-0.0121376,-0.0109614,0.0059557,0.0031744,0.0010967,0.0028095, 0.0017746,-0.0015155,0.0015414,0.0027349,0.0003552,0.0054435, 3.52e-05
Britannia:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.0 44013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.00 52637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
Britannia:English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0 613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0 063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
Italia_Roma:Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italia_Roma:Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1286205,0.14522 05,0.0388435,0.010013,0.0326215,0.004183,0,0.00103 85,0.00634,0.017039,-0.004628,0.0041215,-0.0111495,-0.004679,0.0045465,-0.000265,-0.002021,-0.00057,0.0006285,0.000625,-0.002246,0.004328,0.000493,0.0030725,-0.0022155
Italia_Roma:Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italia_Roma:Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877 ,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italia_Roma:Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0. 0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italia_Roma:Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italia_Roma:Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italia_Roma:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.00 6694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italia_Roma:Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.02 7153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italia_Roma:Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0. 0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italia_Roma:Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0 086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italia_Roma:Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.001 32,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italia_Roma:Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524, 0.035611,0.0017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0 .0020439,0.0068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italia_Roma:Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0 .0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italia_Roma:Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italia_Roma:Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0. 0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italia_Roma:Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0 077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italia_Roma:Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0 303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Sicilia:Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Sicilia:Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Corsica_Et_Sardinia:Sardinian,0.1206524,0.1679686, 0.0276806,-0.0515508,0.0603188,-0.0224786,-0.003478,0.004292,0.0427048,0.0798558,-0.0020784,0.0158856,-0.0270266,-0.0131842,-0.0132192,-0.004614,0.0120476,-0.0013176,0.0017596,-0.012931,-0.0050908,-0.0042044,-0.0097122,-0.021087,0.0008382
Corsica_Et_Sardinia:French_Corsica,0.1203273,0.151 8216,0.0195294,-0.0230022,0.0350394,-0.0100401,-0.0018464,-0.0005604,0.0157044,0.0337918,-0.0006031,0.0074612,-0.0132308,-0.0071074,-0.004537,-0.0005968,0.0040419,0.0012489,0.0024511,-0.0030461,-0.0003923,0.0002474,-0.0025793,-0.0013858,-0.0005303
Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia:Swiss_French,0.1273395,0.1448 398,0.0414364,0.0102149,0.0411615,0.0064842,0.0008 224,0.0028845,0.0118111,0.0194308,-0.000751,0.0065942,-0.0159622,-0.0125238,0.0083468,0.0021712,0.0057533,-0.0016154,0.003661,-0.0003439,0.0047886,0.0036478,0.0016638,0.0025756,-0.0004791
Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.14077 79,0.0460088,0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.00279 06,0.0051344,0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Alpes_Poeniae_Raetia:Swiss_Italian,0.1221703,0.141 1583,0.0232557,-0.014535,0.026774,-0.0027887,0.000235,0.0036923,0.00934,0.0202283,0.0 007577,0.003097,-0.0111993,-0.0034867,-0.0030763,0.0019447,0.0061283,-0.0024913,0.002095,-0.0022927,0.002329,-0.0002473,-0.001479,0.0061453,-0.0005187
Noricum:Austrian,0.1290886,0.1350056,0.054394,0.03 2737,0.0347756,0.0125666,0.0072299,0.0062441,0.002 8274,0.0027551,-0.0038781,0.0007847,-0.0012942,0.0027849,0.0005029,0.0036968,0.0002223, 0.00079,0.0031793,0.0008385,-0.0009909,-0.0026548,0.0016675,0.0029627,-0.0010284
Pannonia:Hungarian,0.1270753,0.1296252,0.0553559,0 .0364298,0.0363804,0.0119326,0.0066138,0.0075326,0 .0020597,-0.0046731,-0.0014731,-0.0027191,0.0038544,0.0087488,-0.0043722,0.0001231,-8.4e-05,-0.0003891,0.0026486,-0.0013221,-0.003378,0.0013865,0.0055286,0.0026939,0.0004789
Pannonia:Slovenian,0.1288476,0.1352686,0.056191,0. 0338504,0.0349602,0.0126616,0.0065332,0.0069688,0. 0031086,-0.004483,-0.0031828,-0.0022482,0.0022298,0.0151936,-0.0086318,-0.002201,0.0002086,0.0013682,0.0078184,-0.0011508,-0.004018,-0.0027946,0.0014052,-0.001976,0.0021792
Illyricum:Croatian,0.128051,0.1338467,0.0518917,0. 0314925,0.035822,0.0125223,0.0060161,0.0067381,0.0 018408,-0.0058862,-0.001153,-0.0023827,0.0047275,0.0127851,-0.0066365,-0.0022011,0.0027512,-0.0007223,0.0018101,-0.0007503,-0.005166,-0.0024236,0.0044246,-0.0010966,0.0001796
Illyricum:Albanian,0.1181863,0.1417511,0.0155562,-0.0158808,0.0251586,-0.0074138,0.0033683,0.0018077,0.0006648,0.0161279, 0.0011097,0.0015486,-0.0070986,0.0066059,-0.019295,-0.0041544,0.0081273,0.0014992,0.0082962,-0.0059402,-0.0055629,0.0007212,0.0024238,0.0021991,-0.0025248
Illyricum:Bosnian,0.1290754,0.1348622,0.0449528,0. 0248064,0.0312058,0.0098726,0.004841,0.0052152,-0.0024136,-0.001859,0.0004224,-0.0028176,0.00556,0.0162396,-0.0125404,0.0010078,0.0066756,-0.000583,0.004827,0.0030266,-0.0050912,-0.0034376,0.0075182,0.001229,-0.0016286
Illyricum:Montenegrin,0.1263436,0.136487,0.039673, 0.013889,0.0318826,0.0074744,0.004512,0.0058612,0. 0001228,0.002515,-0.001429,-0.0006592,-0.000684,0.0105144,-0.0129208,0.0029436,0.0087096,-0.0013428,0.0070894,-0.0012758,-0.0048414,0.0012364,0.005497,0.0016388,0.0007904
Dacia:Romanian,0.1245225,0.1340499,0.034167,0.0087 856,0.0288362,0.0030677,0.0036425,0.0059073,0.0012 475,0.0061596,-0.0034427,-0.0002098,-0.0005352,0.0080509,-0.0126626,-0.0005172,0.0059194,-0.0014823,0.0033686,-0.0030764,-0.0066882,-0.0025225,0.0037343,0.0012171,-0.0012694
Dacia:Moldavian,0.121563,0.1372996,0.0264361,-0.0015504,0.0230812,8.38e-05,0.0045121,0.0031846,-0.0010635,0.0033896,-0.0003408,0.0020532,0.0025124,0.0098675,-0.0115634,-0.0019095,0.0080316,-0.0003673,0.0044121,-0.0005879,-0.004804,0.0017806,0.0020213,0.0001568,-4.8e-05
Moesia:Serbian,0.1265712,0.137706,0.0370332,0.0138 244,0.0298516,0.003012,0.003854,0.006,0.0011862,0. 0026242,-0.0010716,-0.0006894,0.0042816,0.0120556,-0.0128932,-0.005489,0.0062582,-0.0002786,0.004676,-0.0049274,-0.007836,-0.00183,0.0053492,0.00094,-0.0028502
Moesia:Bulgarian,0.12475,0.1348622,0.0256442,0.005 3618,0.02462,-0.0008368,0.005499,0.0030458,-0.0002862,0.0069978,-0.0033452,0.0008992,0.002111,0.0086426,-0.0143046,-0.0022274,0.0070928,0.0020016,0.0031424,-0.0037018,-0.0046168,-0.000544,0.00281,-0.0024824,-0.0010776
Graecia_Macedonia:Macedonian,0.1252056,0.1413618,0 .0305468,0.0042636,0.027328,0.005522,0.0063922,0.0 037382,0.0002864,0.0033532,-3.24e-05,6e-05,0.0026462,0.011588,-0.0157436,-0.0011934,0.0079794,0.0006586,0.0042986,-0.0044772,-0.0116544,-0.0006678,0.0039934,-0.0009884,-0.0003352
Graecia_Macedonia:Greek_Central_Macedonia,0.119447 3,0.142473,0.0157725,-0.016492,0.0213432,-0.0035601,0.0020321,1e-07,0.0008782,0.0120812,0.0009934,0.0018424,-0.0014429,0.0070025,-0.016957,-0.0005459,0.0098095,8.94e-05,0.0050649,-0.0035531,-0.0078319,0.0015057,0.0032408,0.0005529,-0.0007256
Graecia_Achaia:Greek_Peloponnese,0.118376,0.143866 7,0.0037713,-0.0325153,0.0159003,-0.010412,0.001645,-0.000923,-0.000409,0.018102,0.000108,0.0039467,-0.0058967,0.0037157,-0.016377,0.0023863,0.0134297,0.0003377,0.009176,-0.0007083,-0.0092753,0.003998,0.0013967,-0.0001203,-0.0033927
Graecia_Achaia:Greek_Thessaly,0.119135,0.1452207,0 .013702,-0.020026,0.0188753,-0.0051133,0.0005483,0.000769,0,0.01877,0.0026523,0 .0040963,-0.0072843,0.0056883,-0.0090933,-0.0041987,0.0021297,-0.000549,0.0041483,-0.005336,-0.0069877,0.0012777,0.0035743,0.0014057,-0.003353
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Thracia:Turkish_Balkans,0.1112051,0.1000298,0.0167 065,-0.0027132,0.008309,-0.0005576,0.004183,0.0047075,-0.0056245,3.64e-05,-0.0014129,-0.002293,0.0023339,0.005436,-0.0095275,0.0005303,0.0052154,0.0004181,0.0036075,-0.0013883,-0.0073244,0.0003092,-0.0003082,0.0022413,0.0003473
Thracia:Turkish_Istanbul,0.1050588,0.0965769,-0.0197987,-0.0251294,-0.0122792,-0.0066096,0.004277,-0.0003459,-0.0155644,0.0003462,0.0010232,0.0033872,-0.0036867,0.0011009,-0.0061074,-0.0015515,0.0041984,0.0020396,0.0042361,-0.0009129,-0.0015845,-8.64e-05,0.0009245,-0.0006506,0.00079
Cyrenaica_Et_Creta:Greek_Crete,0.1070972,0.1463285 ,-0.0168335,-0.0466295,0.0057632,-0.0153645,0.0022005,-0.0013009,-0.0029936,0.0129388,0.0013876,0.0027794,-0.0009596,0.0043915,-0.0122765,-0.0038692,0.001529,0.0008983,0.0040565,-0.0055482,-0.0050935,0.0014165,-0.0007506,-0.0012051,-0.0019595
Cyrenaica_Et_Creta:Greek_Izmir,0.1146199,0.1443068 ,-0.0024135,-0.0345287,0.0149874,-0.0126059,0.0025145,-0.0015,-0.0022907,0.0150346,0.0018999,0.0031323,-0.003434,0.0018576,-0.0129749,0.0001989,0.0107827,-0.0001141,0.0059203,-0.0030515,-0.0060393,0.0019289,0.0002095,0.0023496,-0.0030056
Cyrenaica_Et_Creta:Greek_Kos,0.1076261,0.1464618,-0.0220407,-0.0538692,0.0041031,-0.018252,0.0008617,-0.0036921,-0.0059994,0.0167861,0.0026524,0.0031472,-0.0039148,0.0009634,-0.0106012,0.0029906,0.0100107,0.0009432,0.0037151,-0.0036407,-0.0038128,0.0016762,-0.0001778,-0.0014059,-0.0021157
Anatolia_Cilicia:Turkish_Adana,0.09656,0.0934283,-0.0336265,-0.0383293,-0.0280565,-0.0145487,0.004935,-0.002846,-0.0176913,-0.002612,-0.0009747,0.0020732,0.0008672,-0.0002065,-0.0027822,0.0003315,0.0028032,0.0006337,0.0024092,-0.0050442,-0.0020797,-0.0012778,-0.0017253,-0.0035347,0.0005388
Anatolia_Cilicia:Turkish_South,0.094018,0.0497608,-0.0207418,-0.0324292,-0.0293592,-0.0107652,0.0080372,-0.0001386,-0.0207388,-0.0028794,-0.0017862,0.0001498,-0.0032408,-0.0026976,-0.0009226,0.0042428,0.0062844,0.0012162,-0.0004524,-0.0002252,-0.0030694,0.0021762,-0.0051516,0.004338,0.0039756
Anatolia_Asia:Turkish_Aydin,0.0947984,0.0610769,-0.012391,-0.0360837,-0.0198277,-0.014343,0.0034579,-0.000923,-0.0170047,-0.0016923,-0.0015313,-0.0002354,-0.0045023,0.0049937,-0.0059136,0.0014774,0.002943,0.0004526,0.0012569,-0.0014293,-0.0034401,-0.0027736,-0.0037326,-0.000895,-0.0015567
Anatolia_Asia:Turkish_Balikesir,0.0986467,0.059746 8,-0.0099938,-0.0267013,-0.0182087,-0.0137122,0.0066585,0.0046535,-0.015612,0.0036752,-0.0004873,0.0037717,-0.0032953,0.0018578,0.001312,-0.0014587,-0.0012822,0.0014568,0.0036242,-0.001959,-0.0054487,0.0008862,-0.0010475,0.0009438,-0.0001997
Anatolia_Galatia:Turkish_Central,0.097275,0.084132 7,-0.0305758,-0.0405241,-0.0228443,-0.0133439,0.0035069,-0.0019525,-0.021066,-0.0021728,-0.0002998,0.0027898,-0.0036708,0.0009528,-0.0056584,-0.0015502,0.0006519,0.0011109,0.0010635,-0.0017988,-0.0013438,0.0018834,-0.0018203,-0.0004636,0.0004421
Anatolia_Cappadocia:Turkish_Kayseri,0.0997089,0.09 75922,-0.0341294,-0.045866,-0.0242198,-0.0121875,0.0031256,-0.0010152,-0.0233158,-0.0002735,-0.0007144,0.0003747,-0.0012487,0.0030414,-0.0035422,-9.28e-05,0.0007563,0.0008615,0.0019987,-0.0034517,-0.001797,0.0011499,-0.0026129,-0.002916,-0.0005507
Anatolia_Capaddocia:Turkish_Trabzon,0.1092702,0.13 91276,-0.0540038,-0.0608532,-0.0242508,-0.0165662,0.004982,-0.0074306,-0.0362826,0.0004376,0.0032154,0.0066242,-0.0086816,0.005395,-0.010315,-0.0089364,0.0083706,0.0005068,0.0010054,0.001901,0 .0063136,-0.0006184,0.0016514,-0.004121,-0.0007184
Anatolia_Bithynia_Et_Pontus:Turkish_North,0.100847 2,0.0560572,-0.0221744,-0.0341734,-0.027205,-0.011825,0.007473,-0.0003694,-0.022743,-0.0023692,-0.0030204,0.0035968,-0.0066006,0.004184,-0.0076818,-0.0048526,0.0003132,0.0012414,0.0013324,-0.004027,-0.0065134,0.0032148,-0.0026866,0.0006024,-0.0022994
Anatolia_Bithynia_Et_Pontus:Turkish_Northwest,0.09 95953,0.0639783,-0.0138275,-0.0285855,-0.0186187,-0.01255,0.00517,-0.000846,-0.0172822,-0.0011238,-0.0024087,0.0017485,-0.0036422,0.0019955,-0.0031895,0.0003317,0.0080838,-0.0008237,-0.0006075,0.0012715,-0.004596,0.000742,-0.0013147,0.0004418,0.0007983
Anatolia_Lycia_Et_Pamphylia:Turkish_Southwest,0.09 54045,0.0585314,-0.0177931,-0.0312429,-0.0223256,-0.0116374,0.0053836,0.0006084,-0.0149116,0.0018555,-0.0011515,0.0007358,-0.002973,-0.0010509,-0.0048735,0.007859,0.0102175,0.0007485,0.0005829,-0.0003978,-0.0040155,-0.0021471,-0.003395,0.0007012,-0.0018289
Cyprus:Cypriot,0.0997375,0.146744,-0.0378534,-0.0702525,-0.0070011,-0.0242986,0.001645,-0.0047594,0.0029656,0.0138728,0.0044454,-0.0001499,0.0025459,0.0018234,-0.0086014,0.0008947,0.0023631,0.0009978,0.0022469,-0.0012506,-0.0024489,0.0011438,-0.0027115,0.0017774,-0.0020656
Armenia:Armenian,0.1028676,0.1379851,-0.0581239,-0.0608451,-0.0286976,-0.0158969,0.0046413,-0.0057114,-0.0304485,-0.0043964,0.0012991,-0.0002249,-0.003029,0.0024773,-0.0046145,-0.0014582,0.0004075,0.0008232,0.0025769,-0.0027984,0.0001561,0.0024885,-0.0022492,-0.0021838,-1.51e-05
Assyria:Syrian,0.0647593,0.1259791,-0.0488273,-0.060962,-0.0190156,-0.0195664,-0.0032034,-0.0024897,-0.0016685,-0.0018415,0.0023845,-0.0054188,0.0109304,0.0005794,-0.0027502,0.0051012,-0.0038155,-0.0006535,0.0020773,0.0003554,0.0015368,0.0001432,-0.0023935,-0.0007419,6.2e-06
Mesopotamia:Iraqw,-0.354559,0.085812,-0.0213075,-0.0563635,0.000154,-0.0292835,-0.0008225,-0.0119995,0.1063525,-0.0768125,-0.007226,-0.0062945,-0.008622,-0.0001375,0.01934,-0.019955,0.0174715,0.010832,0.0042735,-0.0072535,-0.0010605,0.005688,0.001294,-0.003675,0.002694
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan,-0.0853671,0.1302133,-0.0128221,-0.0708806,0.0211321,-0.03294,-0.0277833,0.0097687,0.0554032,0.0243993,0.0095087,-0.0090252,0.0269902,-0.0144658,0.0163016,-0.0061874,-0.0027669,-0.0170326,-0.0384216,0.0094351,-0.0098438,-0.0295119,0.0209111,-0.0011248,0.0059207
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974
Mauretania_Tingitana:Moroccan_South,-0.1844646,0.119896,0.0007308,-0.0569288,0.0239659,-0.0268258,-0.0321962,0.0152301,0.0538154,0.0285428,0.0060591,-0.0068189,0.0227358,-0.0173318,0.0181018,-0.0153306,0.0010921,-0.0189241,-0.0407889,0.0085196,-0.0148254,-0.038456,0.0240718,-0.0034944,0.0054934
Mauretania_Caesariensis:Berber_Algeria,-0.2936636,0.1051579,0.0019988,-0.0400681,0.0144488,-0.012341,-0.0366736,0.0210568,0.0269358,0.0215312,0.0057566,-0.0045259,0.021318,-0.0074316,0.0114277,-0.0088304,0.0031227,-0.011079,-0.023053,0.0049898,-0.0073621,-0.019636,0.0121769,-0.0003616,0.0026523
Africa_Proconsularis:Tunisian,-0.048517,0.1313841,-0.0150849,-0.0751379,0.019619,-0.0306779,-0.022091,0.005019,0.0543778,0.0197954,0.0054402,-0.0080365,0.0267404,-0.0101842,0.013046,-0.0071432,-0.003716,-0.0129222,-0.0290048,0.0051745,-0.0104502,-0.0228294,0.0181174,-0.0033439,0.0002096
Africa_Proconsularis:Libyan,-0.0476858,0.1309498,-0.0219326,-0.080954,0.0089733,-0.0345677,-0.020953,0.0030243,0.0520675,0.0098215,0.0061365,-0.0123917,0.0292235,-0.0049978,0.0085218,-0.0005094,-0.003788,-0.0095751,-0.0201184,0.0112686,-0.0028108,-0.0132634,0.0093993,0.0007991,-0.0002963
Aegyptus:Egyptian,-0.01548,0.1341176,-0.042778,-0.0872208,-0.0044008,-0.0333553,-0.0137874,0.0005691,0.037605,0.0011968,0.0069772,-0.0087772,0.0229334,0.0018258,-0.0005202,-6.19e-05,-0.003303,-0.0026182,-0.0034861,0.0032432,-0.0005781,-0.0022875,0.0008381,0.0008636,-0.0004072
Judaea_Syria:Palestinian,0.0455292,0.134253,-0.0473285,-0.0780045,-0.0126482,-0.0297299,-0.0062276,-0.0019845,0.0167504,-0.0003096,0.0081843,-0.0096364,0.0203072,-0.0013211,-0.00095,0.0097452,-0.0020079,-0.001761,8.81e-05,0.0025387,0.0011356,0.0052801,-0.0001603,0.0023977,0.001844
Judaea_Syria:Palestinian_Beit_Sahour,0.0876435,0.1 46744,-0.0541165,-0.084949,-0.0156955,-0.023148,-0.005405,-0.0050765,0.01176,0.0102965,0.00341,-0.00577,0.010927,-0.0052295,-0.004886,0.0144525,0.009844,0.0019635,-0.0001255,-0.0011255,-0.0016845,0.003895,0.0035125,0.005362,0.0033525
Judaea_Syria:Syrian,0.0647593,0.1259791,-0.0488273,-0.060962,-0.0190156,-0.0195664,-0.0032034,-0.0024897,-0.0016685,-0.0018415,0.0023845,-0.0054188,0.0109304,0.0005794,-0.0027502,0.0051012,-0.0038155,-0.0006535,0.0020773,0.0003554,0.0015368,0.0001432,-0.0023935,-0.0007419,6.2e-06
Judaea_Syria:Syrian_Jew,0.0870745,0.142682,-0.0358265,-0.066538,-0.005847,-0.0220325,-0.0043475,-0.002423,0.0006135,0.008383,0.0064145,0.0004495,0. 0055,-0.0002065,-0.0001355,0.0007955,-0.003977,-0.002534,-0.0037705,-0.004815,0.001248,-0.003277,0.0030195,-0.001807,0.002335
Judaea_Syria:Lebanese_Christian,0.0881496,0.145784 9,-0.0488581,-0.0788479,-0.0128912,-0.03074,-0.0004961,-0.0042818,0.0051812,0.0102254,0.0066579,-0.0045293,0.0103899,0,-0.0103147,0.0084709,-0.0021007,0.0017877,0.0025419,-0.0001251,0.0007627,-0.0003022,-0.0014104,0.0023564,-0.0012108
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Tienes Gedmatch?

Sí, Eurogenes K13 me da 1.88 de northeast african y 1.21 de subsaharan

JJJ
02-17-2020, 12:51 PM
A todos nos lo exagera un poco las dos calculadoras mas conocidas de Eurogenes.

Tengo 3.11 subsahariano en K13 y 3.20 en K15, ninguna empresa comercial me ha detectado nada norteafricano y de subsahariano 3.8 en DnaLand y 1.1 en 23andme. El resto nada africano siendo de LDNA, FTDNA, MyHeritage.

Ruderico
02-18-2020, 08:57 AM
Sí, Eurogenes K13 me da 1.88 de northeast african y 1.21 de subsaharan

Eso es normal para un Ibérico (occidental), ninguna de esas calculadoras tiene referencias norte africanas buenas para nosotros

JJJ
02-19-2020, 10:33 AM
Del foro francés hilo Geneanet.

Este quiere completar su genealogía "fuckeando" con primos, lo llama "compartir información" y encima con fotos, ejem.

https://i.postimg.cc/BvHGpKTV/relaciones-sexuales.png


Traducción alternativa:

https://i.postimg.cc/PxHnR5Kr/traduccion-alternativa.png

A ver si mejoramos esas traducciones francesas, Google Trollductor.

JJJ
02-23-2020, 08:02 PM
Según esto un clado paterno anterior al mío fué introducido en la península ibérica desde el norte de Marruecos durante el neolítico, es esto cierto o simple troleo?

https://i.postimg.cc/CKctBB9c/6012.png

Diferente a otro mostrando patrones de migración diferentes:

https://i.postimg.cc/BvNWTwPc/6012-2.png

Shadogowah
02-23-2020, 09:24 PM
Tal como está el panorama ahora mismo y hasta que nuevos descubrimientos den más pistas, lo más probable es que los clados asociados a un origen norteafricano como el tuyo entrasen en la península a partir de la edad del hierro.

Tu patriarca pudo llegar con los cartagineses o los romanos o quizás con los bereberes.

Shadogowah
02-24-2020, 08:42 AM
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/03/ancient-iberians-dna-from-steppe-men-spain/

Hasta el momento la muestra más antigua con perfil genético norteafricano aparece en la edad del cobre pero se la considera que es una excepción. Se cree que hubo contactos esporádicos pero que no hubo un flujo de población significativo hasta los últimos 2000 años. Así que yo colocaría a los primeros patriarcas de los haplogrupos típicamente norteafricanos como muy temprano unos pocos siglos aC y como muy tarde con los bereberes durante la invasión islámica.

JJJ
05-02-2020, 11:48 AM
Bueno está claro que a más estepa mayor afinidad con las muestras europeas, los que tenemos un agricultor moderado con poca estepa nos penaliza bastante. Mapas ibéricos de ph2ter.

https://i.imgur.com/gKWbjKp.png
https://i.imgur.com/hupjCzy.png
https://i.imgur.com/6bxVckg.png
https://i.imgur.com/LRAarQG.png
https://i.imgur.com/jQWF3Md.png
https://i.imgur.com/T80jjdw.png

JJJ
05-05-2020, 10:24 AM
Solo mantengo buena distancia con el etrusco 473 y solo es debido a qué tenemos una afinidad "artificial" con los italianos del norte :(

https://i.imgur.com/Ar3KYOb.png

Ruderico
05-05-2020, 10:51 AM
Bueno, el Bronce Final y la Edad del Hierro estan pobremente muestreadas en toda la Europa, no te preocupes.
Mapas de 3 Portugueses

https://i.imgur.com/2F0Q3G0.png

https://i.imgur.com/Fbu5enb.png

https://i.imgur.com/OICPAja.png

Empecinado
05-10-2020, 09:00 PM
Aquí el mío:

https://i.imgur.com/ViKH1H9.png

JJJ
05-18-2020, 12:48 PM
Soy un rapero japonés de 31 años, nunca quise revelar mi identidad pero todos los resultados genéticos están equivocados y soy del haplogrupo paterno D. Mis producciones están colgadas en internet.

https://i.postimg.cc/Yq0phcRv/JJJ.png

alejandromb92
05-22-2020, 03:06 PM
Edito.

Posiblemente sea la mejor estimación étnica que me han hecho hasta ahora: DNA.Land. Si juntase todas las calculadoras que me hice más las pruebas comerciales y el Global25 saldría algo parecido :) lástima de nativo americano.

https://i.imgur.com/EvKOZ52.png
https://i.imgur.com/5XXIUhn.png



Casi te confirman que tienes un tatara nigeriano :lol: a mi el componente SSA más que en porcentaje me varían las ubicaciones, de poseer un 0.9% nigeriano a tener 0% y aumentar los broadlies que esa es otra, tengo el ADN más genérico comparado con vosotros. Conmigo solo es capaz de asegurarme que tengo poco más de un abuelo español o portugués en el conservador, parece una locura pero así es. Casi dudo de mis origenes :biggrin1:

Esta es la herencia autosómica y un abuelo supone un 25%:

https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

Recuerdo haber visto este modo de 23andMe en otros compañeros del foro pero no los recuerdo tan desastres como los nuestros. Hace falta mejorar mucho en la península ibérica. A Ruderico lo han interpretado mejor parece.

El nativo americano da poder de sabiduria en la naturaleza, es algo conocido, no es broma.

mokordo
05-22-2020, 04:51 PM
Buenas tardes.

Soy nuevo.:drum:

mokordo
05-22-2020, 04:53 PM
Necesito un foro alternativo para cuando me echen de TA.:)

Cómo va eso Celtinante?

alejandromb92
05-22-2020, 07:40 PM
Necesito un foro alternativo para cuando me echen de TA.:)

Cómo va eso Celtinante?

Con esa K intercalada, mala costumbre norteña, en MoCCCCCCordo, no debe ser muy dificil saber quien eres.

Un placer tenerte por estos lados, querido gixajo :)

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 08:23 PM
El maestro me come los huevos bien fuerte, con ganas, con ilusión y siempre una sonrisa. :)

mokordo
05-22-2020, 08:24 PM
Pues buenas de nuevo, liante.

De todas formas, no sé lo que entraré aquí, me tengo que acostumbrar al medio, no sé bien aún de qué va esto.

Parece una versión de más nivel que TA, y con menos carga política.

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 08:28 PM
Este foro es demasiado blanco para mi gusto.
Mas que un foro parece una distopia, monocromático, poca actividad... Me deprime.

mokordo
05-22-2020, 08:39 PM
Este foro es demasiado blanco para mi gusto.
Mas que un foro parece una distopia, monocromático, poca actividad... Me deprime.

En ese caso, cuando quiera objetividad y datos, vendré a buscarlos aquí, y cuando quiera peleas en el barro, me iré a TA.

¿Nos conocemos tú y yo?

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 08:42 PM
En ese caso, cuando quiera objetividad y datos, vendré a buscarlos aquí, y cuando quiera peleas en el barro, me iré a TA.

¿Nos conocemos tú y yo?

Probablemente, conozco a mucha gente y mucha gente me conoce.
Si usted me conoce me alegro, aunque no se sienta especial.

mokordo
05-22-2020, 08:48 PM
Probablemente, conozco a mucha gente y mucha gente me conoce.
Si usted me conoce me alegro, aunque no se sienta especial.

Usaré mi máquina Enigma para descifrar su críptico mensaje.

Y por favor, no me trate de usted, me hace sentir mayor.:rolleyes:

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 08:53 PM
Usaré mi máquina Enigma para descifrar su críptico mensaje.

Y por favor, no me trate de usted, me hace sentir mayor.:rolleyes:

Probablemente usted sea unos de esos inglesitos que tanto trollean, la guerra la ganaron los rusos ;) .

mokordo
05-22-2020, 10:07 PM
Probablemente usted sea unos de esos inglesitos que tanto trollean, la guerra la ganaron los rusos ;) .

Sí, soy el típico inglés que aprende castellano solo para trolear a odiosos españoles en foros.

Viva la leyenda negra!!!

Quiero decir...la leyenda de color!!!

(No quiero que me baneen el primer día por racista)

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 10:22 PM
Sí, soy el típico inglés que aprende castellano solo para trolear a odiosos españoles en foros.

Viva la leyenda negra!!!

Quiero decir...la leyenda de color!!!

(No quiero que me baneen el primer día por racista)

O puede (y solo puede) que usted sea uno de esos 'llanitos".
Aunque siendo honestos (y por mucho que le duela) parecen mas gitanos que ingleses o incluso que españoles. Un saludo, pirata ;).

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 10:24 PM
Andaluz y R1a jajaj, nos la quiere colar.
Pero a este conquistador, un sucio pirata ingles no le engaña

mokordo
05-22-2020, 11:07 PM
Andaluz y R1a jajaj, nos la quiere colar.
Pero a este conquistador, un sucio pirata ingles no le engaña

Parece que hay menos movimiento en este foro que en el otro no?

Yo voy publicando resultados míos en los hilos correspondientes.

estesiquesabe
05-22-2020, 11:12 PM
Parece que hay menos movimiento en este foro que en el otro no?

Yo voy publicando resultados míos en los hilos correspondientes.

Es un poco deprimente

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 08:11 AM
El maestro me come los huevos bien fuerte, con ganas, con ilusión y siempre una sonrisa. :)

Ay amigo... I feel you la verdad. Que hijo de... No se si se puedan decir groserias aqui, este foro es como estar en el salon de fiesta del Rey, en cambio TA es como estar en mi casa con unos chupitos, la seriedad aqui es mucho para mi gusto vamos...

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 08:14 AM
Pues buenas de nuevo, liante.

De todas formas, no sé lo que entraré aquí, me tengo que acostumbrar al medio, no sé bien aún de qué va esto.

Parece una versión de más nivel que TA, y con menos carga política.

Hay muchisimo mas nivel, si la genetica es lo tuyo, este es el sitio, no lo dudes, aqui yo me apoye bastante para varias de mis calculadoras, y lo seguire haciendo. TA es un sitio donde se te "permite" la politica incorrecta y puedes hacer lo que te da la gana, aunque es tan asi como la vida real, que si a un amigo de un amigo poderoso, le caes mal, es suficiente para que te largues de ahi.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 08:15 AM
Andaluz y R1a jajaj, nos la quiere colar.
Pero a este conquistador, un sucio pirata ingles no le engaña

Jajajajajaja, cualquiera cree, que existen andaluces con haplogrupo balto-eslavico y subclado indo-iranio, cualquiera cree...

JJJ
05-23-2020, 09:50 AM
Este foro es demasiado blanco para mi gusto.
Mas que un foro parece una distopia, monocromático, poca actividad... Me deprime.

Descripción exacta, lol. Pero cada foro tiene sus puntos fuertes y débiles.

mokordo
05-23-2020, 10:41 AM
Si hace frio me voy a TA y si hace demasiado calor me vengo aquí.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 10:49 AM
Vamos, aquí estamos todos por culpa del puto Rocinante.
Defcon2, gixajo, AlfonsoVIII...
La primera vez que veo una comunidad tan unida. :biggrin1:

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 11:02 AM
Vamos, aquí estamos todos por culpa del puto Rocinante.
Defcon2, gixajo, AlfonsoVIII...
La primera vez que veo una comunidad tan unida. :biggrin1:

¿Nos conocemos tú y yo?

Jackss
05-23-2020, 11:04 AM
¿Nos conocemos tú y yo?

Puede que sí, puede que no.

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 11:05 AM
Puede que sí, puede que no.

Conozco a mucha gente y mucha gente me conoce.
Si usted me conoce me alegro, aunque no se sienta especial.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 11:09 AM
Conozco a mucha gente y mucha gente me conoce.
Si usted me conoce me alegro, aunque no se sienta especial.

¿Debería sentirme especial?

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 11:19 AM
¿Debería sentirme especial?
Todos nos sentimos especiales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFEkM28T0P0

mokordo
05-23-2020, 11:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSSVDJM14K0

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 11:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSSVDJM14K0

Me cansas y me agotas.
No te hagas pasar por español.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlG0L28NNXQ

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 11:36 AM
Discutamos el apartado western de este foro.
Western
European International Area subsection dedicated to genetics and anthropological discussions pertaining to the following countries: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luzembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 12:15 PM
Vamos, aquí estamos todos por culpa del puto Rocinante.
Defcon2, gixajo, AlfonsoVIII...
La primera vez que veo una comunidad tan unida. :biggrin1:

Si, que se soy lo maximo, era de esperarse a que vinieran de arrastrados aqui a decirme que me extrañan. Gracias.

...Y fuera de bromas, los quiero a todos muchachos, sois lo mejor de TA junto a otros cuantos. El peor TheMaestro, por si acaso.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 12:19 PM
Si, que se soy lo maximo, era de esperarse a que vinieran de arrastrados aqui a decirme que me extrañan. Gracias.

...Y fuera de bromas, los quiero a todos muchachos, sois lo mejor de TA junto a otros cuantos. El peor TheMaestro, por si acaso.

Loki sólo se ofendió por ser haplogrupo E, ni siquiera merece llamarse Loki :\

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 12:33 PM
Loki sólo se ofendió por ser haplogrupo E, ni siquiera merece llamarse Loki :\

En el foro se ofenden todos los haplogrupos habidos y por haber, Loki no me baneo porque yo trollee su haplogrupo, fue porque su amiguete albanes es como el Cristiano viejo de los albaneses, por asi decirlo, y si te metes con uno de los grandes, asi la culpa principal haya sido la de el, estas jodido porque te van a banear.

JJJ
05-23-2020, 12:33 PM
Tanta actividad en este foro me pone de los nervios, dejad de spamear en el hilo de spam joder. Y los asuntos de otro foro deberían de dejarse a un lado (esto lo digo en serio).

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 12:34 PM
Tanta actividad en este foro me pone de los nervios, dejad de spamear en el hilo de spam joder. Y los asuntos de otro foro deberían de dejarse a un lado (esto lo digo en serio).

Te quiero mucho amigo, definitivamente eres el mejor E testado y comprobado, que he conocido. Por eso eres mi heroe.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 12:39 PM
Tanta actividad en este foro me pone de los nervios, dejad de spamear en el hilo de spam joder. Y los asuntos de otro foro deberían de dejarse a un lado (esto lo digo en serio).

"Hilo de Spam o todovale"

Y pides que dejemos de spamear XD
Bueno vale

JJJ
05-23-2020, 12:40 PM
"Hilo de Spam o todovale"

Y pides que dejemos de spamear XD
Bueno vale

Eso lo dije en broma, pero meter asuntos de otro foro no me parece correcto.

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 12:59 PM
Discutamos el apartado western de este foro.
Western
European International Area subsection dedicated to genetics and anthropological discussions pertaining to the following countries: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luzembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom

Y este asunto que?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/a3/20/81a3202de583ec2f426f691a09535347.jpg

JJJ
05-23-2020, 01:02 PM
Y este asunto que?
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/a3/20/81a3202de583ec2f426f691a09535347.jpg

.... :facepalm:

JJJ
05-23-2020, 01:13 PM
Y este asunto que?


Lo gracioso es que tres de ellos no llegan ni a los 100.000 habitantes y los pone a la par de otros países, tampoco tienen justificación geográfica como Mónaco y Andorra, pero como tienen buen PIB los ponen como occidentales.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 01:18 PM
Discutamos el apartado western de este foro.
Western
European International Area subsection dedicated to genetics and anthropological discussions pertaining to the following countries: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luzembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom

Y el pais mas occidental de Europa donde esta? No lo veo.

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 01:21 PM
Lo gracioso es que tres de ellos no llegan ni a los 100.000 habitantes y los pone a la par de otros países, tampoco tienen justificación geográfica como Mónaco y Andorra, pero como tienen buen PIB los ponen como occidentales.

Y lo mas gracioso, ponen como norte de europa a las islas Feroe pero no a Reino Unido o Irlanda.

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 01:22 PM
Y el pais mas occidental de Europa donde esta? No lo veo.

EEUU?
Creo que pondrían antes a EEUU que a Portugal o España.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 01:23 PM
EEUU?
Creo que pondrían antes a EEUU que a Portugal o España.

Seguro que seria como tu dices. Es incomprensible, pero bueno.

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 01:28 PM
Entiendo, ponen a países como Islandia o las Islas Feroe en europa del norte ya que siempre han sido paises pequeños y aislados (Islandia solo tiene 364.134 habitantes).

JJJ
05-23-2020, 01:38 PM
Entiendo, ponen a países como Islandia o las Islas Feroe en europa del norte ya que siempre han sido paises pequeños y aislados (Islandia solo tiene 364.134 habitantes).

Dudo que Islandia pertenezca a Europa, las islas Feroe al menos pertenecen a Dinamarca.

Es raro encontrar dos sitios seguidos que coincidan en las ubicaciones geográficas de los países, todo por no meter a España y Portugal en el Occidente peninsular Europeo y no seguir criterios mínimamente razonados.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 01:42 PM
Discutamos el apartado western de este foro.
Western
European International Area subsection dedicated to genetics and anthropological discussions pertaining to the following countries: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luzembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom

Depende de a qué término de occidental te refieras, si te refieres a de Europa por lo General Islandia, si te refieres a Europa Occidental del continente Portugal.

Ruderico
05-23-2020, 02:15 PM
Bienvenidos a todos

mokordo
05-23-2020, 02:19 PM
Mira el hilo de postear el componente Atlantic del foro inombrable del que jamás hablaré en este otro foro.

Y mira quien es el primero que como quien no quiere la cosa es el primero en intentar desvincular alguna conexión "Atlántica", curiosamente un gabacho que siempre utiliza el k13 y el k15 como fuente de toda verdad.

Más claro agua, componente Atlántico en k13 y k15 y haplotipo mayoritario puntuando más cuanto más al oeste, me parece una buena base para admitir que hay relación y que a eso podríamos llamar "Atlantic facade",

¿Quienes niegan la relación Atlántica?

Los de siempre, gabachos y pérfidos. A los irlandeses se la suda que podamos tener cosas en común, no son tan gilipollas.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 02:31 PM
Mira el hilo de postear el componente Atlantic del foro inombrable del que jamás hablaré en este otro foro.

Y mira quien es el primero que como quien no quiere la cosa es el primero en intentar desvincular alguna conexión "Atlántica", curiosamente un gabacho que siempre utiliza el k13 y el k15 como fuente de toda verdad.

Más claro agua, componente Atlántico en k13 y k15 y haplotipo mayoritario puntuando más cuanto más al oeste, me parece una buena base para admitir que hay relación y que a eso podríamos llamar "Atlantic facade",

¿Quienes niegan la relación Atlántica?

Los de siempre, gabachos y pérfidos. A los irlandeses se la suda que podamos tener cosas en común, no son tan gilipollas.

Lo que entiendo es que son los españoles los que marcan mas Atlantic en el K15, al menos mas que los gabachos. No se si mas que los limeys, pero los escoceses e ingleses de TA, piensan igual.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 02:33 PM
Population
North_Sea 22.90 Pct
Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 6.80 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.72 Pct
West_Med 19.58 Pct
West_Asian 4.42 Pct
East_Med 15.29 Pct
Red_Sea 4.69 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.71 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.45 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.92 Pct

Si sí, que soy un mongrel y saco poco de Atlantic.

mokordo
05-23-2020, 02:34 PM
Bienvenidos a todos

Obrigado pela receção, vizinho.

Também é membro do outro fórum?

mokordo
05-23-2020, 02:37 PM
Population
North_Sea 22.90 Pct
Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 6.80 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.72 Pct
West_Med 19.58 Pct
West_Asian 4.42 Pct
East_Med 15.29 Pct
Red_Sea 4.69 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.71 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.45 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.92 Pct

Si sí, que soy un mongrel y saco poco de Atlantic.

North Sea, Atlantic, Baltic y hasta West Mediterranean, son componentes que aumentan según vas al oeste de Europa. No solo el Atlantic.un 70% en total.

Y sigues teniendo r1b, que es la base principal de la teoría.

Ruderico
05-23-2020, 03:02 PM
Obrigado pela receção, vizinho.

Também é membro do outro fórum?

Ni, fue miembro desde 2010 y hasta moderador, pero TA es un manicomio. Solo tengo una cuenta con este mismo nombre

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 03:06 PM
North Sea, Atlantic, Baltic y hasta West Mediterranean, son componentes que aumentan según vas al oeste de Europa. No solo el Atlantic.un 70% en total.

Y sigues teniendo r1b, que es la base principal de la teoría.

Baltic no hace peaking en el oeste de Europa, solo Atlantic, North Sea y West Med. Los que hacen peaking en el este seria baltic, east euro y east med. Los españoles ciertamente sscan una barbaridad en atlantic y west med.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 03:14 PM
Y lo mas gracioso, ponen como norte de europa a las islas Feroe pero no a Reino Unido o Irlanda.

Algunos sí lo meten dentro pero lo de las Islas Feroe es por su cultura predominantemente Nórdica, aunque realmente son nórdicos y celtas.

JJJ
05-23-2020, 04:19 PM
Algunos sí lo meten dentro pero lo de las Islas Feroe es por su cultura predominantemente Nórdica, aunque realmente son nórdicos y celtas.

Ahora resulta que lo importante es la cultura y no la geografía, a pesar de que culturalmente no seamos muy diferentes de los estadounidenses ni difiramos demasiado entre europeos actualmente.

JJJ
05-23-2020, 04:22 PM
Ni, fue miembro desde 2010 y hasta moderador, pero TA es un manicomio. Solo tengo una cuenta con este mismo nombre

Manicomio es un cumplido en comparación de lo que he visto, veo que te expulsaron. Si quieres puedes explicar tu etapa en ese foro y la razón de tu expulsión, no pasa nada si no quieres.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 04:26 PM
Ahora resulta que lo importante es la cultura y no la geografía, a pesar de que culturalmente no seamos muy diferentes de los estadounidenses ni difiramos demasiado entre europeos actualmente.

Y Portugal está en el Atlántico y la gente lo mete dentro del Mediterráneo.. Lo mismo que en zonas de España.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 04:49 PM
Manicomio es un cumplido en comparación de lo que he visto, veo que te expulsaron. Si quieres puedes explicar tu etapa en ese foro y la razón de tu expulsión, no pasa nada si no quieres.

Como dije, es un foro que sirve para hacer declaraciones muy muy pero que muy politicamente incorrectas, se permite de todo... Eso si, que tu opinion no moleste a los altos mandos, o a los que lamen las botas de esos altos mandos. Sabes el porque en realidad se logro banear a Zuh, Ffrida y a Konan? Fue nada mas porque un alto mando reporto, si porque nosotros reportamos.


Y Portugal está en el Atlántico y la gente lo mete dentro del Mediterráneo.. Lo mismo que en zonas de España.

Yo creo que las divisiones se deberian hacer es por cuestion de clima, y sin duda alguna Portugal entera es clima atlantico, o bueno, al menos Portugal Norte es asi, supongo que hare calorsito en Algarve pero igual. Ya España de la corniza cantabrica hacia abajo, hace calor a excepcion del invierno.

Jackss
05-23-2020, 04:55 PM
Como dije, es un foro que sirve para hacer declaraciones muy muy pero que muy politicamente incorrectas, se permite de todo... Eso si, que tu opinion no moleste a los altos mandos, o a los que lamen las botas de esos altos mandos. Sabes el porque en realidad se logro banear a Zuh, Ffrida y a Konan? Fue nada mas porque un alto mando reporto, si porque nosotros reportamos.



Yo creo que las divisiones se deberian hacer es por cuestion de clima, y sin duda alguna Portugal entera es clima atlantico, o bueno, al menos Portugal Norte es asi, supongo que hare calorsito en Algarve pero igual. Ya España de la corniza cantabrica hacia abajo, hace calor a excepcion del invierno.

Dime tú si aquí no hace calor si directamente parece que ya me estoy incinerando..

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 05:03 PM
Dime tú si aquí no hace calor si directamente parece que ya me estoy incinerando..

Y aquí en Madrid? Ahora mismo me estoy asfixiando del calor.

Ruderico
05-23-2020, 05:19 PM
Manicomio es un cumplido en comparación de lo que he visto, veo que te expulsaron. Si quieres puedes explicar tu etapa en ese foro y la razón de tu expulsión, no pasa nada si no quieres.

Bueno, no hay mucho que decir. Yo fue miembro hay 10 años cuando no sabia nada de genética o antropología, TA era el único foro que conocía. Me gustaba las clasificaciones y etc pero cuando los estudios genéticos empezaran a ser publicados comprendí que la antropología física tenia poca importancia. Me hicieron moderador unos años después, pero TA siempre fue un manicomio y yo no podía cambiarlo, entonces abandoné el foro. Unos años después, ya con mis resultados genéticos, retorné pero a Loki no le gustaba mi avatar por qué decía que era demoníaco (no es broma) - era solo un "careto" del norte de Portugal - y como no le hay cambiado mi cuenta fue banida. Hilarante. Aún tengo una otra cuenta con este mismo nombre pero raramente visito el foro.



Yo creo que las divisiones se deberian hacer es por cuestion de clima, y sin duda alguna Portugal entera es clima atlantico, o bueno, al menos Portugal Norte es asi, supongo que hare calorsito en Algarve pero igual. Ya España de la corniza cantabrica hacia abajo, hace calor a excepcion del invierno.

En Portugal el clima es mediterráneo, pero hay dos grupos - uno típicamente mediterráneo y otro con fuerte influencia atlántica.
https://www.ipma.pt/export/sites/ipma/bin/images.site/educativa/clima_koppen_pt_cont_vrs1.2.jpg

Tiene un poco que ver con pluviosidad
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/precipitao-150616185107-lva1-app6891/95/precipitao-6-638.jpg?cb=1434485645

Jackss
05-23-2020, 05:28 PM
Bueno, no hay mucho que decir. Yo fue miembro hay 10 años cuando no sabia nada de genética o antropología, TA era el único foro que conocía. Me gustaba las clasificaciones y etc pero cuando los estudios genéticos empezaran a ser publicados comprendí que la antropología física tenia poca importancia. Me hicieron moderador unos años después, pero TA siempre fue un manicomio y yo no podía cambiarlo, entonces abandoné el foro. Unos años después, ya con mis resultados genéticos, retorné pero a Loki no le gustaba mi avatar por qué decía que era demoníaco (no es broma) - era solo un "careto" del norte de Portugal - y como no le hay cambiado mi cuenta fue banida. Hilarante. Aún tengo una otra cuenta con este mismo nombre pero raramente visito el foro.




En Portugal el clima es mediterráneo, pero hay dos grupos - uno típicamente mediterráneo y otro con fuerte influencia atlántica.
https://www.ipma.pt/export/sites/ipma/bin/images.site/educativa/clima_koppen_pt_cont_vrs1.2.jpg

Tiene un poco que ver con pluviosidad
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/precipitao-150616185107-lva1-app6891/95/precipitao-6-638.jpg?cb=1434485645

¿Puedes pasar esa imagen del careto? XD

Ruderico
05-23-2020, 05:36 PM
¿Puedes pasar esa imagen del careto? XD

Creo que era este

https://olhares.com/caretos-de-lazarim-ii-foto7782087.html

Jackss
05-23-2020, 05:46 PM
Creo que era este

https://olhares.com/caretos-de-lazarim-ii-foto7782087.html

Wow, super demonio eh.
Parece un disfraz de Krampus o algo relacionado con lo celta.

mokordo
05-23-2020, 06:59 PM
Creo que era este


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Igual me lo pongo de avatar en TA a ver si me dice algo, o algún personake folklórico español semejante, que hay muchos similares.

TA es para no tomárselo muy en serio, porque como te ofendas fácilmente, vas a ofenderte varias veces al día. Yo ya pasé de enfadarme, cada día me lo tomo más todo a broma.

Pero lo que siempre digo, todo el mundo tiene un mal día, así que no descarto que cualquier día me baneen si algo puntual llega a molestarme y estallo.

mokordo
05-23-2020, 07:11 PM
https://www.zamora24horas.com/texto-diario/mostrar/1694395/40-grupos-caretos-mascarados-espana-portugal-reuniran-ii-encuentro-rituales-ancestrales-bemposta

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 07:14 PM
Igual me lo pongo de avatar en TA a ver si me dice algo, o algún personake folklórico español semejante, que hay muchos similares.

TA es para no tomárselo muy en serio, porque como te ofendas fácilmente, vas a ofenderte varias veces al día. Yo ya pasé de enfadarme, cada día me lo tomo más todo a broma.

Pero lo que siempre digo, todo el mundo tiene un mal día, así que no descarto que cualquier día me baneen si algo puntual llega a molestarme y estallo.

Fijate que con ArmandoR1b fue que aprendi lo de leer la raw data y sacar haplogrupos manualmente. Es un mega-crack en el tema de haplogrupos sobretodo los de MyHeritage que no te dan el haplogrupo paterno directamente.

Ahi te dijo que tienes un falso positivo en un clado bastante lejano de Z93, y ojo ya me parecia algo extraño que sacaras ese clado, viendo tus % geneticos, pues el Z93 no deberia ser comun en peninsulares actuales.

estesiquesabe
05-23-2020, 07:26 PM
Igual me lo pongo de avatar en TA a ver si me dice algo, o algún personake folklórico español semejante, que hay muchos similares.

TA es para no tomárselo muy en serio, porque como te ofendas fácilmente, vas a ofenderte varias veces al día. Yo ya pasé de enfadarme, cada día me lo tomo más todo a broma.

Pero lo que siempre digo, todo el mundo tiene un mal día, así que no descarto que cualquier día me baneen si algo puntual llega a molestarme y estallo.

No te van a banear a no ser que te pases con alguien poderoso.
Aunque últimamente están muy estrictos y defendiendo mucho a los europeos del sur, comentario diciendo que los españoles son moros usuario baneado. Me parece excesivo.

JJJ
05-23-2020, 07:34 PM
Bueno, no hay mucho que decir. Yo fue miembro hay 10 años cuando no sabia nada de genética o antropología, TA era el único foro que conocía. Me gustaba las clasificaciones y etc pero cuando los estudios genéticos empezaran a ser publicados comprendí que la antropología física tenia poca importancia. Me hicieron moderador unos años después, pero TA siempre fue un manicomio y yo no podía cambiarlo, entonces abandoné el foro. Unos años después, ya con mis resultados genéticos, retorné pero a Loki no le gustaba mi avatar por qué decía que era demoníaco (no es broma) - era solo un "careto" del norte de Portugal - y como no le hay cambiado mi cuenta fue banida. Hilarante. Aún tengo una otra cuenta con este mismo nombre pero raramente visito el foro.

En Portugal el clima es mediterráneo, pero hay dos grupos - uno típicamente mediterráneo y otro con fuerte influencia atlántica.
https://www.ipma.pt/export/sites/ipma/bin/images.site/educativa/clima_koppen_pt_cont_vrs1.2.jpg

Tiene un poco que ver con pluviosidad
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/precipitao-150616185107-lva1-app6891/95/precipitao-6-638.jpg?cb=1434485645

Es un personaje peculiar ese Lokito, pero no parece ser mala persona. Muy influenciable también.

El foro tiene un problema que es muy racista y prejuicioso, con un régimen nepotista que favorece a unos cuantos satisfaciendo los caprichos de unos pocos. Pero es tan loco que es divertido, siempre hay algún "mestizo americano" jodiendo a sus parientes europeos con tal de intentar escalar en la pirámide estamental. Ocurre lo mismo con otros europeos considerados del sur por exactamente las mismas razones, así pueden dar un bocado al pan.

Por alguna razón cuanto más blancura poseas más respetado y/o más caché obtienes en ese foro.

JJJ
05-23-2020, 07:35 PM
No te van a banear a no ser que te pases con alguien poderoso.
Aunque últimamente están muy estrictos y defendiendo mucho a los europeos del sur, comentario diciendo que los españoles son moros usuario baneado. Me parece excesivo.

Si, últimamente encuentro que se pusieron las pilas con la moderación, quizá Alejandro tuvo mala suerte de tener esa disputa en un momento poco oportuno.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 07:41 PM
Si, últimamente encuentro que se pusieron las pilas con la moderación, quizá Alejandro tuvo mala suerte de tener esa disputa en un momento poco oportuno.

Pero es que yo no la inicie... Y lo mas increible fue que yo no dije las palabras mas fuertes, despues obviamente tuve que superar el nivel, pero bueno... Ese foro es anarquia y amigueteo.

mokordo
05-23-2020, 09:25 PM
Podríais hacerme una lista con los niks de aquí y los niks de allí?

Me lío aún bastante con cada uno de vosotros.

Aunque sea mandádmela por mensaje privado para que no sea pública.

JJJ
05-23-2020, 09:27 PM
Ahora te lo mando.

alejandromb92
05-23-2020, 10:04 PM
Wow, super demonio eh.
Parece un disfraz de Krampus o algo relacionado con lo celta.

Pues fijate que interesante, yo pensaba que Krampus era un personaje mitico germanico al 100%, y resulta que es alpina pre-cristiana, es la mezcla de varias culturas incluida la galo-romana y la eslavica. Me acuerdo de Krampus por la pelicula "de mierda" que sacaron los americanos no hace mucho, a mi me gusto la verdad...

Jackss
05-24-2020, 10:44 AM
Pues fijate que interesante, yo pensaba que Krampus era un personaje mitico germanico al 100%, y resulta que es alpina pre-cristiana, es la mezcla de varias culturas incluida la galo-romana y la eslavica. Me acuerdo de Krampus por la pelicula "de mierda" que sacaron los americanos no hace mucho, a mi me gusto la verdad...

Sí, la mitología alpina por así decirlo.
Es curioso porque mi hermana estaba haciendo una escultura para un trabajo de clase y estaba haciendo a Krampus, y pues.. somos U152 ahí te dejo por donde voy XD

Ruderico
05-24-2020, 11:16 AM
Puede ser algo mucho más antiguo, en Cerdeña también hay mascaras y costumbres similares a los caretos y krampus.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sardinian+carnival&safe=active&client=firefox-b-d&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6-LDNrszpAhXGxYUKHUjmDQsQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1536&bih=750


El ano pasado mi novia y yo vimos el desfile de la "máscara Ibérica" en Lisboa. La mayoría eran Españoles, habían grupos de Galicia, Asturias, León, Extremadura, Aragón, etc

JJJ
05-24-2020, 05:32 PM
Hay 19 españoles y 4 portugueses con mi "nigger" haplo en family tree dna.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4RcBzvk/haplo2.png
https://i.postimg.cc/bwSjVbKP/haplo1.png

alejandromb92
05-24-2020, 05:51 PM
Hay 19 españoles y 4 portugueses con mi "nigger" haplo en family tree dna.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4RcBzvk/haplo2.png
https://i.postimg.cc/bwSjVbKP/haplo1.png

O sea que tu clade hace su peaking europeo en España, interesante. También en los nativos americanos, mas interesante todavía.

JJJ
05-24-2020, 06:04 PM
O sea que tu clade hace su peaking europeo en España, interesante. También en los nativos americanos, mas interesante todavía.

Fuera de África parece que domina donde hubo esclavitud negra, los nativos americanos también participaron en esa esclavitud.

Caius Agrippa
05-24-2020, 06:47 PM
Es mas probable que los nativos americanos que tienen haplos ''negros'' los recibieron atraves de negros libres assimilados en la población nativa. Hay muchos casos en Brasil de tribos nativas que son claramente parte negras, la mayoria de los mexicanos tienen ancestría negra y mismo los pocos blancos norte-americanos com DNA africano lo tienen por este motivo, negros libres asimilados en los siglos 18, 19. La esclavitud en sus principios no tenía contornos claramente ''raciales'', solo después del siglo 18 que la figura del ''negro'' empieza a ser asociada solamente al esclavo. Antes de esta epoca, qualquier uno, de qualquier etnia, podria ser reducido a esclavitud. En EEUU habia incluso esclavos blancos en el principio (hay un americano ''blanco'' en este foro con yDNA subsaariano) y en Brasil la pratica de esclavitud indigena era común, eso es algo que los ''progres'' normalmente ignoran. En estas sociedades coloniales, mismo los indios y negros libres tenían esclavos. En Africa, antes de los europeos y arabes, la esclavitud era la regra.

En tu caso, tiene un haplogrupo subsaariano, es poco probable que tenga un ancestro que era 'haratin', como los moros llaman a los magrebís com mucha ancestría africana del sur de Saara, los haratin tienen haplogrupos paternos casi todos eurasiaticos, probable que esto ancestro distante era mismo ''africano''. Pero no hay como decír con certeza el status social de tu ancestro, las posibilidades en estos periodos pré-modernos eran mucho mas alargadas que en el periodo moderno.

Ruderico
05-24-2020, 07:36 PM
Hay 19 españoles y 4 portugueses con mi "nigger" haplo en family tree dna.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4RcBzvk/haplo2.png
https://i.postimg.cc/bwSjVbKP/haplo1.png

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z6015/

Tu sucblade también existe en Marruecos, es posible que su origen en España y Portugal sea anterior a la esclavitud - por ejemplo Mali->Argelia/Marruecos->Iberia en la edad media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trans-Saharan_routes_early.svg

Pero pocas personas en África hacen estas pruebas, probablemente vas a tener de esperar años para saber más

JJJ
05-24-2020, 07:51 PM
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z6015/

Tu sucblade también existe en Marruecos, es posible que su origen en España y Portugal sea anterior a la esclavitud - por ejemplo Mali->Argelia/Marruecos->Iberia en la edad media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trans-Saharan_routes_early.svg

Pero pocas personas en África hacen estas pruebas, probablemente vas a tener de esperar años para saber más

Podrían hacer investigaciones científicas ofreciendo gratis pruebas de adn ya que me parece históricamente interesante que se despejen dudas sobre la esclavitud en la peninsula ibérica y en territorio europeo. ¿La esclavitud negra en Iberia no empezó durante el dominio musulmán (edad media)?

Ruderico
05-24-2020, 07:58 PM
Podrían hacer investigaciones científicas ofreciendo gratis pruebas de adn ya que me parece históricamente interesante que se despejen dudas sobre la esclavitud en la peninsula ibérica y en territorio europeo. ¿La esclavitud negra en Iberia no empezó durante el dominio musulmán (edad media)?

No lo sé, conozco poco de la historia de Al Andaluz, pero ni todos los negros eran esclavos. Los almohades eran del sur de Marruecos, no seria sorpresa si algunos tuvieron haplogrupos subsaharianos

alejandromb92
05-24-2020, 08:04 PM
Fuera de África parece que domina donde hubo esclavitud negra, los nativos americanos también participaron en esa esclavitud.

Los nativos americanos de EEUU sufrieron un holocausto en aquella epoca, pero su haplogrupo es Q, al igual que los nativos de mi pais de nacimiento. No se como pudo suceder eso, supongo que serian una mezcla entre esas 2 poblaciones. El como llego a España, es dificil comprender, pero lo seguro es que esclavo no puede ser, no existia violaciones o mezclas acordadas entre hombres negros con mujeres blancas, todo lo contrario.

alejandromb92
05-24-2020, 08:05 PM
No lo sé, conozco poco de la historia de Al Andaluz, pero ni todos los negros eran esclavos. Los almohades eran del sur de Marruecos, no seria sorpresa si algunos tuvieron haplogrupos subsaharianos

Fijate que esto es una mejor teoria.

JJJ
05-24-2020, 08:09 PM
Fijate que esto es una mejor teoria.

Prefiero la teoría de la esclavitud o en su defecto una cornamenta con un butanero "moreno".

alejandromb92
05-24-2020, 08:12 PM
Prefiero la teoría de la esclavitud o en su defecto una cornamenta con un butanero "moreno".

A mi me gustaria tambien la teoria que el mio fuese de un escoces que vencio a los ingleses para la libertad de Escocia, pero podria terminar siendo de un borracho irlandes. Hay teorias de teorias.

Caius Agrippa
05-24-2020, 08:13 PM
No lo sé, conozco poco de la historia de Al Andaluz, pero ni todos los negros eran esclavos. Los almohades eran del sur de Marruecos, no seria sorpresa si algunos tuvieron haplogrupos subsaharianos

Lo mas probable es esto. Cuando sostení que el ancestro de JJJ era anterior a el período de la esclavitud me referia a supostos negros libres en Al-Andalus o mismo a uno Berber del sur que tenía ancestria paterna subsaariana. Davidski dije que parte del input Berber en algunas zonas de Iberia viene del sur de Maghreb y no apenas de los berberes del norte como normalmente se piensa.

Jackss
05-24-2020, 08:13 PM
No lo sé, conozco poco de la historia de Al Andaluz, pero ni todos los negros eran esclavos. Los almohades eran del sur de Marruecos, no seria sorpresa si algunos tuvieron haplogrupos subsaharianos

Los Omeyas llevaban esclavos de Europa del Este (eslavos) ya sean eslavos del sur, orientales e incluso polacos..
Tenían bastante comercio con el Imperio Bizantino si mal no recuerdo.

Ahora la capital de Turquía se le conoce como Estambul pero para los verdaderos seguidores de la historia siempre será Constantinopla XD

Ibericus
05-24-2020, 08:47 PM
No me robeis la teoría de los Almohades que esa es para mi haplogrupo. JJJ que se busque otra.

Jackss
05-24-2020, 08:52 PM
No me robeis la teoría de los Almohades que esa es para mi haplogrupo. JJJ que se busque otra.

Quizás sois primos..

JJJ
05-24-2020, 09:07 PM
No me robeis la teoría de los Almohades que esa es para mi haplogrupo. JJJ que se busque otra.

Slavery!

Ibericus
05-24-2020, 09:19 PM
Slavery!

A mi lo de la esclavitud no me cuadra. Con la esclavitud se extiende el haplogrupo materno, que es lo que pasa en Brasil: que el 70% de mt es nativo y el 70% de Y es europeo, no al revés.

Esto me parece que tiene más a ver con los tuareg y las gentes del desierto, que se juntaban con las poblaciones de ambos lados del Sahara. Pero de igual a igual.

I luego de ahí seguramente nuestros antepasados si que fueron "primos" y vinieron a Alandalus en la edad media.

alejandromb92
05-24-2020, 09:22 PM
A mi lo de la esclavitud no me cuadra. Con la esclavitud se extiende el haplogrupo materno, que es lo que pasa en Brasil: que el 70% de mt es nativo y el 70% de Y es europeo, no al revés.

Esto me parece que tiene más a ver con los tuareg y las gentes del desierto, que se juntaban con las poblaciones de ambos lados del Sahara. Pero de igual a igual.

I luego de ahí seguramente nuestros antepasados si que fueron "primos" y vinieron a Alandalus en la edad media.

De que parte de España eres ibericus?

JJJ
05-24-2020, 09:34 PM
A mi lo de la esclavitud no me cuadra. Con la esclavitud se extiende el haplogrupo materno, que es lo que pasa en Brasil: que el 70% de mt es nativo y el 70% de Y es europeo, no al revés.

Esto me parece que tiene más a ver con los tuareg y las gentes del desierto, que se juntaban con las poblaciones de ambos lados del Sahara. Pero de igual a igual.

I luego de ahí seguramente nuestros antepasados si que fueron "primos" y vinieron a Alandalus en la edad media.

Recuerdo que en el colegio de primaria me pusieron en un grupo llamado "Tuareg" con una persona luciendo turbante como estandarte, ¿casualidad? no lo creo.

Jackss
05-24-2020, 09:39 PM
Recuerdo que en el colegio de primaria me pusieron en un grupo llamado "Tuareg" con una persona luciendo turbante como estandarte, ¿casualidad? no lo creo.

¿Te pusieron en un grupo?
¿Cómo?

JJJ
05-24-2020, 09:42 PM
¿Te pusieron en un grupo?
¿Cómo?

Los profes dividían la clase en varios grupos, a mi me tocó una vez con el llamado Tuareg. Antes recordaba como se llamaba otro grupo pero ya no me acuerdo.

Jackss
05-24-2020, 09:47 PM
Los profes dividían la clase en varios grupos, a mi me tocó una vez con el llamado Tuareg. Antes recordaba como se llamaba otro grupo pero ya no me acuerdo.

Yo en mi colegio de primaria el profesor de Educación Física nos ponía en grupos según nuestro mes de nacimiento. Y yo estaba solo.
Bueno, el profesor también era de mi mes (incluso un día después que mi cumpleaños) pero ese profesor no hacía nada, así que sí, estaba solo.

JJJ
05-24-2020, 09:52 PM
Yo en mi colegio de primaria el profesor de Educación Física nos ponía en grupos según nuestro mes de nacimiento. Y yo estaba solo.
Bueno, el profesor también era de mi mes (incluso un día después que mi cumpleaños) pero ese profesor no hacía nada, así que sí, estaba solo.

Coño, ese niño es autista. No. es que el profe tuvo la genial idea de separarlos por mes de nacimiento y resulta que de ese mes solo está él de toda la clase. Pobrecito.

Caius Agrippa
05-24-2020, 09:53 PM
A mi lo de la esclavitud no me cuadra. Con la esclavitud se extiende el haplogrupo materno, que es lo que pasa en Brasil: que el 70% de mt es nativo y el 70% de Y es europeo, no al revés.


Pienso, por lo que he visto, que en Brasil 90% del yDNA es europeo y de medio oriente, los 10% restantes son en maioria yDNA subsaariano y solo 1-2% nativo. Cusiosamente la distribución del yDNA brasileño se parece a mi autosomico B). Cuanto al mtDNA, aproximadamente 30% del mtDNA brasileño es europeo, 40% nativo y 30% africano.

Yo tengo los dos haplogrupos europeos, la mezcla non-europea que tengo en el autosomico (~10-12%) entró em mi composición por ancestros que no contibuyeron con los haplogrupos. Pienso que testando todos los descendientes de mis bisabuelos alguno de ellos por cierto tiene alguno haplogrupo non-europeo.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 09:56 PM
Salutem pluribus , gentes de extraños haplotipos.

Ibericus
05-24-2020, 10:08 PM
Pienso, por lo que he visto, que en Brasil 90% del yDNA es europeo y de medio oriente, los 10% restantes son en maioria yDNA subsaariano y solo 1-2% nativo. Cusiosamente la distribución del yDNA brasileño se parece a mi autosomico B). Cuanto al mtDNA, aproximadamente 30% del mtDNA brasileño es europeo, 40% nativo y 30% africano.

Yo tengo los dos haplogrupos europeos, la mezcla non-europea que tengo en el autosomico (~10-12%) entró em mi composición por ancestros que no contibuyeron con los haplogrupos. Pienso que testando todos los descendientes de mis bisabuelos alguno de ellos por cierto tiene alguno haplogrupo non-europeo.

Sí, me he inventado los porcentajes la verdad. Pero la proporción real aun es más exagerada del 30 de mt a solo el 2% de Y nativo, a eso me refería.

Ibericus
05-24-2020, 10:11 PM
Recuerdo que en el colegio de primaria me pusieron en un grupo llamado "Tuareg" con una persona luciendo turbante como estandarte, ¿casualidad? no lo creo.

El papá de ese niño no sería un amigo de la familia verdad?

Aunque si nos ponemos conspiranoicos yo tengo más motivos para sospechar... que casi duplico el east_med español y el eurogenes me hace 1/4 judío o magrebí.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 10:16 PM
No sé si en este foro se estila abrir un thread con todos los resultados de uno mismo.

¿Se suele hacer o está fuera de lugar tanto exhibicionismo?

Jackss
05-24-2020, 10:18 PM
Coño, ese niño es autista. No. es que el profe tuvo la genial idea de separarlos por mes de nacimiento y resulta que de ese mes solo está él de toda la clase. Pobrecito.

Bueno, incluso con eso siempre he sido alguien bastante solitario.
Soy asocial e introvertido. (Al menos en estas fechas por el coronavirus eso me vendrá bien (?)
Tampoco es que realmente le importase al resto, no era popular, no era nada, me daba igual todo XD

Jackss
05-24-2020, 10:20 PM
El papá de ese niño no sería un amigo de la familia verdad?

Aunque si nos ponemos conspiranoicos yo tengo más motivos para sospechar... que casi duplico el east_med español y el eurogenes me hace 1/4 judío o magrebí.

¿Cuánto East_Med tienes en tu K36?

JJJ
05-24-2020, 10:21 PM
El papá de ese niño no sería un amigo de la familia verdad?

Aunque si nos ponemos conspiranoicos yo tengo más motivos para sospechar... que casi duplico el east_med español y el eurogenes me hace 1/4 judío o magrebí.

Cuales son tu K13/K15? deberíamos de publicar todos nuestros resultados de ambas calculadoras para comparar como dice mokordo, ahora que se han unido nuevos miembros.

Caius Agrippa
05-24-2020, 10:22 PM
Sí, me he inventado los porcentajes la verdad. Pero la proporción real aun es más exagerada del 30 de mt a solo el 2% de Y nativo, a eso me refería.

La contribuición nativa en algunas partes de Brasil es muy pequeña comparada al resto de Latino América, solo él mtDNA sobrevivió en algunos lugares, muchos estados brasileños no llegan mismo a 10% nativos en DNA autosomico, muy poco para padrones latinoamericanos. Yo, por ejemplo, solo téngo ~2% de DNA indígena. Yo he visto brasileños com composiciones curiosisimas, como tipos con dos haplogrupos non-europeos pero 95% europeo en al autosomico, un tipo que es 60% africano pero tiene los dos haplogrupos nativos y cosas extrañas así. Muchos brasileños de familias antiguas, de los primeros pobladores portugueses, que tienen fuerte ancestría europea (85%+) aún tienen mtDNA indígena mismo que no tengan mucha ancestría indígena en el autosomico.

Jackss
05-24-2020, 10:25 PM
Cuales son tu K13/K15? deberíamos de publicar todos nuestros resultados de ambas calculadoras para comparar como dice mokordo, ahora que se han unido nuevos miembros.

Guay, ahora lo puedo pasar ¿Cuáles paso?

Ibericus
05-24-2020, 10:26 PM
¿Cuánto East_Med tienes en tu K36?

K36 6%
K15 16,3%
K13 20%

Casi todo parece restado del north sea, que lo tengo muy bajo.

La historia de esto sería que mi tatarabuela vino de Marruecos y por las coincidencias que he podido confirmar sería judía.

JJJ
05-24-2020, 10:27 PM
Guay, ahora lo puedo pasar ¿Cuáles paso?

Creo que abriré un hilo.

Jackss
05-24-2020, 10:31 PM
K36 6%
K15 16,3%
K13 20%

Casi todo parece restado del north sea, que lo tengo muy bajo.

La historia de esto sería que mi tatarabuela vino de Marruecos y por las coincidencias que he podido confirmar sería judía.

Sigo un foro y la mayoría de los ibéricos no supera el 7 o 8 Pct en North Sea o North Atlantic..

Ibericus
05-24-2020, 10:34 PM
Sigo un foro y la mayoría de los ibéricos no supera el 7 o 8 Pct en North Sea o North Atlantic..

Yo prefiero orientarme por el K15 o K13 antes que el K36 pero esto va a gustos. Según el spreadsheet del K15 los españoles puntúan sobre el 20% de north sea y yo estoy al 10% clavado.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 10:34 PM
K36 6%
K15 16,3%
K13 20%

Casi todo parece restado del north sea, que lo tengo muy bajo.

La historia de esto sería que mi tatarabuela vino de Marruecos y por las coincidencias que he podido confirmar sería judía.

No se en el k13 y el 15, pero en el k36 no me parece tan alto, ahora compararé con el mío, pero me suena que el mío esta por un 5%.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 10:36 PM
Creo que abriré un hilo.

Avisa dónde lo pones porque no me muevo bien aún por este foro.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 10:40 PM
Pues no, me equivoqué de componente, tengo 0 East Med...en el k36.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 10:45 PM
7.08 East Med en el k13

5.03 en el k15

0 en el k36

alejandromb92
05-24-2020, 10:45 PM
Yo tengo como 7~8% de east med, y esto es un componente que no necesariamente signifique ascendencia judía, todo depende del %.

JJJ
05-24-2020, 10:48 PM
Avisa dónde lo pones porque no me muevo bien aún por este foro.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20425-Resultados-de-ib%E9ricos

JJJ
05-24-2020, 11:00 PM
Este foro va muy rápido acostumbrado al otro, parece que esté sentado a un Formula 1.

mokordo
05-24-2020, 11:05 PM
Yo tengo como 7~8% de east med, y esto es un componente que no necesariamente signifique ascendencia judía, todo depende del %.

Ni judío ni necesariamente de fuera de Europa.

JJJ
05-25-2020, 08:56 AM
Roderico (https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?4363-Roderico) :lol:

Ruderico
05-25-2020, 09:07 AM
Roderico (https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?4363-Roderico) :lol:

:confused: