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RCO
12-27-2019, 12:36 PM
Ancient DNA, Mating Networks, and the Anatolian Split - Chapter by: David W. Anthony in the new book - "Dispersals and Diversification: Linguistic and Archaeological Perspectives on the Early Stages of Indo-European", we can read parts in Google Books.

Mating Network #2: The Volga-Caucasus Network 4500-4000 BC


The J1 male at Khvalynsk probably was linked to the South, since he belonged to the same Y-haplogroup as the CHG type specimen from Satsurblia Cave in Georgia, confirming affinity with CHG in the Khvalynski population.

As always we can find ancient J1`s types related to PIE, just like in the BMAC core. J1 is a main native haplogroup in the Ancient Iranian Peoples and contributed to the newly admixed and derived populations from the Northern Steppes.

Generalissimo
12-27-2019, 12:57 PM
Anthony is talking out of his behind.

Y-hg J1 was already present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

And everything needed to get Yamnaya, early Corded Ware, Sintashta etc. is native to Eastern Europe.

J1 DYS388=13
12-27-2019, 06:30 PM
Y-hg J1 was already present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.



Do you have a link or reference to EEHG J1 samples?

J Man
12-27-2019, 06:57 PM
Since J1 has shown up in EHG and now also Khvalynsk it makes one wonder if certain subclades of J1 had a much more northerly distribution in pre-historic times compared to J2.

J Man
12-27-2019, 07:12 PM
Anthony is talking out of his behind.

Y-hg J1 was already present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

And everything needed to get Yamnaya, early Corded Ware, Sintashta etc. is native to Eastern Europe.

Native as in present in Eastern Europe since the Mesolithic or early Neolithic?

Generalissimo
12-27-2019, 07:40 PM
Native as in present in Eastern Europe since the Mesolithic or early Neolithic?

Early Neolithic.

J1 DYS388=13
12-27-2019, 08:48 PM
Early Neolithic.

OK then, Y-hg J1 was not present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

J Man
12-27-2019, 08:50 PM
OK then, Y-hg J1 was not present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

Yes it was.

J1 DYS388=13
12-27-2019, 08:53 PM
Yes it was.

Do you have a link or reference to EEHG J1 samples?

Kristiina
12-27-2019, 09:06 PM
It is amazing that J1 is the oldest haplogroup in modern Finns with a TMRCA of 6600 years. J1 has also been found in the Mesolithic site of Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov Karelia. It is part of the Eastern European prepottery cultures of Butovo, Veret’e and Onega with a time horizon of c. 8000-5000 BC.

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J Man
12-27-2019, 09:08 PM
Do you have a link or reference to EEHG J1 samples?

Found in two EHG samples so far. Ostrov and Popovo sites.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j_gbbh1psWPgoR8fol-6phvBkDCUKtKeTOJAq4RH6_c/htmlview

J Man
12-27-2019, 09:10 PM
It is amazing that J1 is the oldest haplogroup in modern Finns with a TMRCA of 6600 years. J1 has also been found in the Mesolithic site of Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov Karelia. It is part of the Eastern European prepottery cultures of Butovo, Veret’e and Onega with a time horizon of c. 8000-5000 BC.

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It is possible then that some of the old J1 types found in Finland today descend directly from EHG.