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Bl1tzTurk
01-24-2020, 05:57 PM
I'm a bit confused and don't know which SNP test to choose. To be honest, I don't understand how people are registered in the FTDNA or Yfull tree.
I have taken a Y-DNA37 test in the past and my haplogroup is J-M172. I would like to know which branch I belong to.

I have given my STR results to a project manager and he let it investigated by experts and they indicate that I probably belong to this branch: J2a-Y20512-Y30811-BY54002: https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY54002/

The problem is Y20512 is missing on FTDNA haplo tree list and Y30811 + BY54002 isnt direct available for testing (need YDNA67 for it).

So what is the best i can do? Which SNP test?

Thanks

lgmayka
01-24-2020, 09:50 PM
YFull's J-BY54002 clade (https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY54002/) lists several tree-equivalent SNPs, including Y107644. Yseq has an inexpensive test for Y107644 (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=107315). (Yseq is entirely separate from FTDNA, but was founded by former FTDNA scientists. Yseq would require a fresh DNA sample.) If you feel that such a specific test poses too much risk for failure, you could order the more general J2a-M67 Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=45213), or even the most general J2-M172 Superclade Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=11093).

Bl1tzTurk
01-25-2020, 11:56 AM
YFull's J-BY54002 clade (https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY54002/) lists several tree-equivalent SNPs, including Y107644. Yseq has an inexpensive test for Y107644 (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=107315). (Yseq is entirely separate from FTDNA, but was founded by former FTDNA scientists. Yseq would require a fresh DNA sample.) If you feel that such a specific test poses too much risk for failure, you could order the more general J2a-M67 Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=45213), or even the most general J2-M172 Superclade Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=11093).

It is only $18 for y107644 test? And what do you mean with fresh dna sample? Isnt the STR results enough for the test? I have only a Y-DNA test and one myheritage autosomal test.

The J2a-m67 test will only show 3 categories..

lgmayka
01-25-2020, 03:35 PM
It is only $18 for y107644 test? And what do you mean with fresh dna sample? Isnt the STR results enough for the test? I have only a Y-DNA test and one myheritage autosomal test.
Yes, a single SNP test costs only $18 from Yseq. But if I recall correctly, Yseq adds a $6 shipping charge for the first test ordered. Any additional tests can avoid that charge.

Yseq is completely separate from FTDNA, so Yseq will need its own DNA sample from you. If I recall correctly, the collection kit is shipped from their office in Texas, but the DNA samples must then be sent to their lab in Germany. Yseq does not make any use of your FTDNA samples or results (nor vice-versa). However, once you receive your Yseq results, I suggest you submit them to your FTDNA project administrator, who can then manually place you in the most specific correct category.

aaronbee2010
01-25-2020, 04:43 PM
Any additional tests can avoid that charge.

This is correct, but additional tests need to be ordered with the "IDONTNEEDAKIT" coupon code to avoid this charge.

Bl1tzTurk
01-26-2020, 11:33 PM
Yes, a single SNP test costs only $18 from Yseq. But if I recall correctly, Yseq adds a $6 shipping charge for the first test ordered. Any additional tests can avoid that charge.

Yseq is completely separate from FTDNA, so Yseq will need its own DNA sample from you. If I recall correctly, the collection kit is shipped from their office in Texas, but the DNA samples must then be sent to their lab in Germany. Yseq does not make any use of your FTDNA samples or results (nor vice-versa). However, once you receive your Yseq results, I suggest you submit them to your FTDNA project administrator, who can then manually place you in the most specific correct category.

Ive contacted Yseq and they have the snp test i want.

Do i have to give everytime a new DNA sample or is one time enough for more future tests?

lgmayka
01-27-2020, 04:20 PM
Do i have to give everytime a new DNA sample or is one time enough for more future tests?
One sample is enough for many tests. As a previous poster said, any additional tests should include the IDONTNEEDAKIT coupon to avoid any additional shipping charge.

lgmayka
01-27-2020, 04:25 PM
The J2a-m67 test will only show 3 categories..
No, the $88 J2a-M67 Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=45213) runs multiple tests successively. It "drills down" to the most specific subclade recognized by Yseq. In the description of the panel:
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In the second round we work down the branches iteratively until we have found your position on the given tree.

The test is completed when the unique phylogenetic position on the tree has been determined.
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If you have good reason to think that you belong to one specific subclade, it is reasonable to spend $18 to test that first. But if your result turns out negative, I might then suggest the $99 J2-M172 Superclade Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=11093), which starts at the top of J2 and "drills down" until it finds your most specific subclade.

Bl1tzTurk
01-27-2020, 11:56 PM
No, the $88 J2a-M67 Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=45213) runs multiple tests successively. It "drills down" to the most specific subclade recognized by Yseq. In the description of the panel:
---
In the second round we work down the branches iteratively until we have found your position on the given tree.

The test is completed when the unique phylogenetic position on the tree has been determined.
---

If you have good reason to think that you belong to one specific subclade, it is reasonable to spend $18 to test that first. But if your result turns out negative, I might then suggest the $99 J2-M172 Superclade Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=11093), which starts at the top of J2 and "drills down" until it finds your most specific subclade.

Yes this sounds logic. Thank you very much!

Bl1tzTurk
02-19-2020, 08:42 PM
YFull's J-BY54002 clade (https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY54002/) lists several tree-equivalent SNPs, including Y107644. Yseq has an inexpensive test for Y107644 (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=107315). (Yseq is entirely separate from FTDNA, but was founded by former FTDNA scientists. Yseq would require a fresh DNA sample.) If you feel that such a specific test poses too much risk for failure, you could order the more general J2a-M67 Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=45213), or even the most general J2-M172 Superclade Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=11093).

Just did this test and got my results super fast!

My test for SNP Y107644 was positive!

Ps. does this now mean that i belong to that branch? Or is it possible that other branches also positive? What about final downstream? I only ordered the single SNP test..

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y30811/

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lgmayka
02-20-2020, 06:23 PM
Just did this test and got my results super fast!
Amazing speed!


My test for SNP Y107644 was positive!
Congratulations!


Ps. does this now mean that i belong to that branch? Or is it possible that other branches also positive? What about final downstream? I only ordered the single SNP test..

You definitely belong to J-Y107644. According to our current knowledge, then, you would be classified as J-BY54002. But that J-BY54002 clade is actually defined by 9 SNPs. Theoretically, you might actually be positive for some of those 9 SNPs and negative for others.

On the other hand, you might be positive for all 9 of those SNPs, but then share additional SNPs with one of the fully tested members of the clade (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY54002/).

In other words: If you order the Big Y (or another full-Y test), you could end up:
1) Splitting the current J-BY54002 into 2 levels
2) Exactly at the J-BY54002 level
3) Creating a new sublevel under J-BY54002

Bl1tzTurk
02-20-2020, 07:24 PM
Amazing speed!

Congratulations!

You definitely belong to J-Y107644. According to our current knowledge, then, you would be classified as J-BY54002. But that J-BY54002 clade is actually defined by 9 SNPs. Theoretically, you might actually be positive for some of those 9 SNPs and negative for others.

On the other hand, you might be positive for all 9 of those SNPs, but then share additional SNPs with one of the fully tested members of the clade (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY54002/).

In other words: If you order the Big Y (or another full-Y test), you could end up:
1) Splitting the current J-BY54002 into 2 levels
2) Exactly at the J-BY54002 level
3) Creating a new sublevel under J-BY54002


Thank you for explaining! I am glad that I now know which branch I belong to.

Maybe i will do a big-y test in the future so that I can be listed in yfull =)