The mystery of R1b-L21 in Switzerland

[Alfred]

Hello everyone, I tested my haplogroup with Living DNA, and got the result CTS2501. I'm a little surprised.

My paternal lineage is native to the north of the canton of Bern in Switzerland. Its oldest mention is from the 17th century. According to onomastic and regional history, this paternal lineage could have the following origins:
- Either descended from the Helvetii or Sequani, so R1b-U152...
- Either burgundians (goths) who have massively invaded the region.
- Either French immigrants (multiple haplogroups) who would have arrived during the Protestant crackdown.

Normally, my haplogroup L21 is almost never in Switzerland (maximum 5% depending on the cards I have).

In your opinion, what would be the best hypothesis concerning the origin of this haplogroup in this region?

[CannabisErectusHibernius]

Could go back to the original Bell Beaker networks. I believe the Amesbury archer was shown to have strontium isotopes from the Alps, so clearly there was exchange between the Rhine/British Beaker L21 and that region.

[rms2]

Hello everyone, I tested my haplogroup with Living DNA, and got the result CTS2501. I'm a little surprised.

My paternal lineage is native to the north of the canton of Bern in Switzerland. Its oldest mention is from the 17th century. According to onomastic and regional history, this paternal lineage could have the following origins:
- Either descended from the Helvetii or Sequani, so R1b-U152...
- Either burgundians (goths) who have massively invaded the region.
- Either French immigrants (multiple haplogroups) who would have arrived during the Protestant crackdown.

Normally, my haplogroup L21 is almost never in Switzerland (maximum 5% depending on the cards I have).

In your opinion, what would be the best hypothesis concerning the origin of this haplogroup in this region?

You should test with FTDNA and join the R-DF41/CTS2501 Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-df-41/about/background) at FTDNA. The Valentine's Day Sale is on right now, so it's a good time to order at least a Y-37 test.

I agree with what CannabisErectusHibernius posted above. Not only that, but I believe one of the Amesbury Beaker guys was buried with a hammer head pin like those used by Swiss Corded Ware.

One of the British R1b-L21 Beaker guys was autosomally like a typical Corded Ware specimen. It looks like L21 Beaker lammed out for Britain so thoroughly that they didn't leave too many kinfolk back home on the Continent, but there were some.

[Alfred]

You should test with FTDNA and join the R-DF41/CTS2501 Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-df-41/about/background) at FTDNA. The Valentine's Day Sale is on right now, so it's a good time to order at least a Y-37 test.

I agree with what CannabisErectusHibernius posted above. Not only that, but I believe one of the Amesbury Beaker guys was buried with a hammer head pin like those used by Swiss Corded Ware.

One of the British R1b-L21 Beaker guys was autosomally like a typical Corded Ware specimen. It looks like L21 Beaker lammed out for Britain so thoroughly that they didn't leave too many kinfolk back home on the Continent, but there were some.

Interesting ! For FTDNA, what would be the advantage over the DNA test I've already done? Contribute to research?

[rms2]

Interesting ! For FTDNA, what would be the advantage over the DNA test I've already done? Contribute to research?

Well, you would have the opportunity to find out what subclade of CTS2501 you belong to, and you would get matches to other men in FTDNA’s database, which is informative, not to mention fun.