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aminapamina
02-14-2020, 08:45 AM
Hello all!


My father was nubian/egypt/saudi my mum is austrian.

I have some questions about the results:

1.) My fathers father was from El Qusir, his grandfather was from Kassala/sudan. His mother egyptian/saudi arabian. But why it shows Maasai and Somali?
I asked my cousin in egyot, she told me we have some somali relatives, which we never saw personally, and not very close related.
The only thing the family knows about the heritage is Sudan and Saudi arabia.

2.) I just wonder why so less of percentage of every ethnicity iīve got.

3.) Why does it say: 10.8% Sephardic Jewish - North African AND 10.5% North African. Why is the dash between jewish and north african, and then again separate north african.

Full result:
Maasai 13.8% Somali 10.8% Sephardic Jewish - North African 10.5% North African 9.6% West African 3.3% English 12.2% Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 7.3% East Europe 11.7% Italian 4.8% Middle Eastern 8.3% South Asian 5.2% Japanese and Korean 1.6% Melanesian 0.9%

My heritage page:
https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/594989631

Maybe there is someone who can help me finding out my exact haplogroup.

Iīd appreciate some information,
Thanks!

Ps.:
It would be interesting what ethnicity you would give my father by the look
https://imgur.com/g9SZFMw
https://imgur.com/DCiLLRg
https://imgur.com/mYnTjlm

mildlycurly
02-14-2020, 10:39 AM
Maasai and Somali are two populations that are close to Sudanese. As far as I'm aware, Myheritage does not have a Sudanese sample. As for the Sephardic Jewish, it could be real but more likely it shows up because Egyptians are skewed more towards the Middle East. If his mother was partially Saudi that skews him even further east.

I think your father just looks like a black East African.

Leto
02-19-2020, 07:00 PM
>Sudanese and Austrian
>South Asian 5.2% Japanese and Korean 1.6% Melanesian 0.9%

What the hell

drobbah
02-19-2020, 07:38 PM
Your father looks like someone from the Nile Valley.If I saw him in person I would easily be able to tell that he was Nubian or Sudanese Arab.

You should post your gedmatch results with Oracle's to get more clarity.I suggest Eurogenes K13/K15 and the K3 calculator to see how much SSA and West Eurasian ancestry you carry.

StillWater
02-20-2020, 03:08 AM
3.) Why does it say: 10.8% Sephardic Jewish - North African AND 10.5% North African. Why is the dash between jewish and north african, and then again separate north african.



The "North African" isn't separate - the reference are Jews from North Africa.

Tz85
02-20-2020, 06:11 PM
Have you tested your Y chromosome?

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 10:16 AM
@Tz85 - Where can i test my Y - chromosome?

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 10:25 AM
>Sudanese and Austrian
>South Asian 5.2% Japanese and Korean 1.6% Melanesian 0.9%

What the hell

Yep, crazy.

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 10:27 AM
Your father looks like someone from the Nile Valley.If I saw him in person I would easily be able to tell that he was Nubian or Sudanese Arab.


Hey, yes thatīs what he is.

aaronbee2010
03-04-2020, 11:27 AM
@Tz85 - Where can i test my Y - chromosome?

Since you're female (according to your profile), you don't have a Y chromosome in your DNA. Since Y chromosomes are generally passed from father to son, you would need to test somebody with your fathers Y chromosome, i.e. your father, brother, paternal grandfather, paternal uncle, paternal uncles son etc.

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 05:14 PM
Since you're female (according to your profile), you don't have a Y chromosome in your DNA. Since Y chromosomes are generally passed from father to son, you would need to test somebody with your fathers Y chromosome, i.e. your father, brother, paternal grandfather, paternal uncle, paternal uncles son etc.

I thought so. There are already few ppl in the forum who asked me about the Y chromosome. I only can ask my uncles, since my father passed away. I guess it will be similar to his dna...

aaronbee2010
03-04-2020, 06:27 PM
I thought so. There are already few ppl in the forum who asked me about the Y chromosome. I only can ask my uncles, since my father passed away. I guess it will be similar to his dna...

They'll be pretty much completely identical. I say pretty much because to give you an example, YFull have found one SNP present in my Y-DNA that isn't present in my dads Y-DNA, but apart from 1 SNP possibly being found that is unique to your uncle (which is really minor compared to the thousands they have in common), the Y-DNA of your uncle will be identical to that of your father for your intended purpose.

Hurricane
03-04-2020, 06:46 PM
Hello all!


My father was nubian/egypt/saudi my mum is austrian.

I have some questions about the results:

1.) My fathers father was from El Qusir, his grandfather was from Kassala/sudan. His mother egyptian/saudi arabian. But why it shows Maasai and Somali?
I asked my cousin in egyot, she told me we have some somali relatives, which we never saw personally, and not very close related.
The only thing the family knows about the heritage is Sudan and Saudi arabia.

2.) I just wonder why so less of percentage of every ethnicity iīve got.

3.) Why does it say: 10.8% Sephardic Jewish - North African AND 10.5% North African. Why is the dash between jewish and north african, and then again separate north african.

Full result:
Maasai 13.8% Somali 10.8% Sephardic Jewish - North African 10.5% North African 9.6% West African 3.3% English 12.2% Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 7.3% East Europe 11.7% Italian 4.8% Middle Eastern 8.3% South Asian 5.2% Japanese and Korean 1.6% Melanesian 0.9%


I guess you inherited from your father Maasai 13.8% + Somali 10.8% + North African 9.6% + West African 3.3%+ Middle Eastern 8.3% (total = 45,8)
and from your mother Sephardic Jewish - North African 10.5% + English 12.2% + Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 7.3% + East Europe 11.7% + Italian 4.8% (total=46,5)

Therefore the "sephardic" is from your mother's side.

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 08:36 PM
I guess you inherited from your father Maasai 13.8% + Somali 10.8% + North African 9.6% + West African 3.3%+ Middle Eastern 8.3% (total = 45,8)
and from your mother Sephardic Jewish - North African 10.5% + English 12.2% + Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 7.3% + East Europe 11.7% + Italian 4.8% (total=46,5)

Therefore the "sephardic" is from your mother's side.

Interesting. MyHeritage listed it as 48% Africa and 36% European, 8.3% middle east, 6.8% Asia, 0.9% (that one os strange but cool though) Ozeania: https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/594989631
My mum is white with no (knowed) migration background as my hole austrian family. If my mother would do the test, we can see if i got the jewish from her.

The final question is still - why it says maasai and somali. That one i really want to know. As one somehow believe what the test is saying.
But some in the forum already told me that my heritage has no examples from sudan, so it chooses maasai and somali.
As well as the result "austrian" does not exist. It says eastern europe. Even if austria is pretty much middle europe.

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 08:44 PM
I guess you inherited from your father Maasai 13.8% + Somali 10.8% + North African 9.6% + West African 3.3%+ Middle Eastern 8.3% (total = 45,8)
and from your mother Sephardic Jewish - North African 10.5% + English 12.2% + Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 7.3% + East Europe 11.7% + Italian 4.8% (total=46,5)

Therefore the "sephardic" is from your mother's side.

...and the japanese/korean, south asian and oceanian i really donīt know where i get it from

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 08:52 PM
You should post your gedmatch results with Oracle's to get more clarity.I suggest Eurogenes K13/K15 and the K3 calculator to see how much SSA and West Eurasian ancestry you carry.

Where can i get this kind of test? Thanks

drobbah
03-04-2020, 08:53 PM
Interesting. MyHeritage listed it as 48% Africa and 36% European, 8.3% middle east, 6.8% Asia, 0.9% (that one os strange but cool though) Ozeania: https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/594989631
My mum is white with no (knowed) migration background as my hole austrian family. If my mother would do the test, we can see if i got the jewish from her.

The final question is still - why it says maasai and somali. That one i really want to know. As one somehow believe what the test is saying.
But some in the forum already told me that my heritage has no examples from sudan, so it chooses maasai and somali.
As well as the result "austrian" does not exist. It says eastern europe. Even if austria is pretty much middle europe.

Both Somalis and Masai have pre-historic origins in Northern Sudan.Cushitic people like the Beja still reside in the Sudan.Because of the lack of Nubian/Sudanese Arab samples on that site the admixture tool assigned you Somali and Masai.


Where can i get this kind of test? Thanks

Gedmatch

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 10:25 PM
Gedmatch

Ok. i have registered and uploaded my data. I hope it is serious.
This is the result, i chose Eurogenes k13: https://www.gedmatch.com/oracle2.php

drobbah
03-04-2020, 11:31 PM
Ok. i have registered and uploaded my data. I hope it is serious.
This is the result, i chose Eurogenes k13: https://www.gedmatch.com/oracle2.php

Your link doesn't work.Copy and paste your results if you want

aminapamina
03-04-2020, 11:43 PM
Your link doesn't work.Copy and paste your results if you want

Sure!

so the first page shows me:

Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions


Population
North_Atlantic 20.94 Pct
Baltic 5.39 Pct
West_Med 11.71 Pct
West_Asian 8.79 Pct
East_Med 13.71 Pct
Red_Sea 8.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 2.18 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Amerindian 0.41 Pct
Oceanian 0.45 Pct
Northeast_African 19.94 Pct
Sub-Saharan 7.75 Pct

Then i clicked on "Oracle" and it shows:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 20.94
2 Northeast_African 19.94
3 East_Med 13.71
4 West_Med 11.71
5 West_Asian 8.79
6 Red_Sea 8.42
7 Sub-Saharan 7.75
8 Baltic 5.39
9 East_Asian 2.18
10 Oceanian 0.45
11 Amerindian 0.41
12 Siberian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 23.7
2 Moroccan 24.19
3 Mozabite_Berber 24.2
4 Tunisian 25.43
5 West_Sicilian 27.43
6 Italian_Abruzzo 27.9
7 East_Sicilian 27.95
8 Tuscan 28.19
9 Greek_Thessaly 28.61
10 Central_Greek 29.39
11 North_Italian 29.52
12 Ashkenazi 29.66
13 South_Italian 29.98
14 Romanian 30.05
15 Portuguese 30.1
16 Bulgarian 30.11
17 Libyan_Jewish 30.26
18 Spanish_Extremadura 30.42
19 Egyptian 30.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 30.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% Tuscan + 35.1% Maasai @ 7.58
2 63.8% North_Italian + 36.2% Maasai @ 7.99
3 68.2% Tuscan + 31.8% Hadza @ 8.32
4 70.7% Tuscan + 29.3% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 8.52
5 65.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.7% Maasai @ 8.55
6 68.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.4% Hadza @ 8.94
7 71% Italian_Abruzzo + 29% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 8.96
8 67.4% North_Italian + 32.6% Hadza @ 9.47
9 61.3% North_Italian + 38.7% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 9.5
10 70% Tuscan + 30% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 9.51
11 70.1% Tuscan + 29.9% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 9.67
12 62.5% North_Italian + 37.5% Somali @ 9.71
13 63.2% North_Italian + 36.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 9.73
14 69.9% North_Italian + 30.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 9.82
15 66% West_Sicilian + 34% Maasai @ 9.83
16 70.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.6% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 9.94
17 60.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 39.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 9.98
18 58.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 41.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 10
19 60.8% Portuguese + 39.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 10.08
20 69.3% West_Sicilian + 30.7% Hadza @ 10.08


I donīt know how to interpret the result though - what does it all mean? North atlantic?
And it has still maasai and somali in it... :confused:

drobbah
03-05-2020, 01:32 AM
Sure!

so the first page shows me:

Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions


Population
North_Atlantic 20.94 Pct
Baltic 5.39 Pct
West_Med 11.71 Pct
West_Asian 8.79 Pct
East_Med 13.71 Pct
Red_Sea 8.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 2.18 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Amerindian 0.41 Pct
Oceanian 0.45 Pct
Northeast_African 19.94 Pct
Sub-Saharan 7.75 Pct

Then i clicked on "Oracle" and it shows:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 20.94
2 Northeast_African 19.94
3 East_Med 13.71
4 West_Med 11.71
5 West_Asian 8.79
6 Red_Sea 8.42
7 Sub-Saharan 7.75
8 Baltic 5.39
9 East_Asian 2.18
10 Oceanian 0.45
11 Amerindian 0.41
12 Siberian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 23.7
2 Moroccan 24.19
3 Mozabite_Berber 24.2
4 Tunisian 25.43
5 West_Sicilian 27.43
6 Italian_Abruzzo 27.9
7 East_Sicilian 27.95
8 Tuscan 28.19
9 Greek_Thessaly 28.61
10 Central_Greek 29.39
11 North_Italian 29.52
12 Ashkenazi 29.66
13 South_Italian 29.98
14 Romanian 30.05
15 Portuguese 30.1
16 Bulgarian 30.11
17 Libyan_Jewish 30.26
18 Spanish_Extremadura 30.42
19 Egyptian 30.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 30.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% Tuscan + 35.1% Maasai @ 7.58
2 63.8% North_Italian + 36.2% Maasai @ 7.99
3 68.2% Tuscan + 31.8% Hadza @ 8.32
4 70.7% Tuscan + 29.3% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 8.52
5 65.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.7% Maasai @ 8.55
6 68.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.4% Hadza @ 8.94
7 71% Italian_Abruzzo + 29% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 8.96
8 67.4% North_Italian + 32.6% Hadza @ 9.47
9 61.3% North_Italian + 38.7% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 9.5
10 70% Tuscan + 30% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 9.51
11 70.1% Tuscan + 29.9% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 9.67
12 62.5% North_Italian + 37.5% Somali @ 9.71
13 63.2% North_Italian + 36.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 9.73
14 69.9% North_Italian + 30.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 9.82
15 66% West_Sicilian + 34% Maasai @ 9.83
16 70.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.6% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 9.94
17 60.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 39.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 9.98
18 58.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 41.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 10
19 60.8% Portuguese + 39.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 10.08
20 69.3% West_Sicilian + 30.7% Hadza @ 10.08


I donīt know how to interpret the result though - what does it all mean? North atlantic?
And it has still maasai and somali in it... :confused:

Where in Sudan is your father from? And could you run Gedrosia K3?

aminapamina
03-05-2020, 07:25 AM
Where in Sudan is your father from?


My father is not from Sudan - he is mixed. My family is from alexandria/egypt, he was born and raised in alexandria. His grandfather was from Kassala/Sudan, as far as i know. And his father from the red sea.
His mother was egyptian and saudi.


And could you run Gedrosia K3?

Ok i will check it!

It is:

Population
E_Eurasian 5.22 Pct
SSA 24.46 Pct
W_Eurasian 70.31 Pct

Oracle -

Gedrosia K3 4-Ancestors Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.31
2 SSA 24.46
3 E_Eurasian 5.22


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 7.324160
2 BedouinA @ 16.846483
3 Jordanian @ 21.452845
4 Palestinian @ 22.485489
5 Syrian @ 22.912058
6 Makrani @ 22.998636
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 24.058678
8 Saudi @ 24.400303
9 Lebanese @ 25.170492
10 Brahui @ 26.251923
11 Balochi @ 26.464054
12 Iranian @ 27.339592
13 Turkish @ 28.797319
14 Kurd_C @ 28.896170
15 Kurd_SE @ 29.656435
16 Tajik_Pomiri @ 29.792358
17 Balkar @ 30.287207
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.584183
19 Kalash @ 30.911577
20 Pathan @ 30.969503

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Adygei +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 0.769972
2 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Mordovian @ 0.883118
3 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Finnish @ 0.983910
4 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Russian @ 1.198064
5 50% Chechen +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 1.326521
6 50% Balkar +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.170545
7 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_C @ 2.324378
8 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Turkish @ 2.365587
9 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_N @ 2.422779
10 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Loschbour @ 2.597506
11 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Iranian @ 2.789910
12 50% Abkhasian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.943590
13 50% Estonian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 3.098808
14 50% Belarusian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 3.426389
15 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Georgian_Jew @ 3.593552
16 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Ukrainian @ 3.887188
17 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Georgian @ 4.201394
18 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Iranian_Jew @ 4.252705
19 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Lithuanian @ 4.293683
20 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Hungarian @ 4.363233


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Adygei +25% Croatian +25% Luhya @ 0.000000

aminapamina
03-05-2020, 11:51 AM
It doesnīt show sudanese at all. it is still maasai and somali - so i guess thatīs it? even if no single person in my family in egypt (fathers side) knows about it.

Is there a better "commercial" DNA test for african heritage?

drobbah
03-05-2020, 03:34 PM
My father is not from Sudan - he is mixed. My family is from alexandria/egypt, he was born and raised in alexandria. His grandfather was from Kassala/Sudan, as far as i know. And his father from the red sea.
His mother was egyptian and saudi.



Ok i will check it!

It is:

Population
E_Eurasian 5.22 Pct
SSA 24.46 Pct
W_Eurasian 70.31 Pct

Oracle -

Gedrosia K3 4-Ancestors Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.31
2 SSA 24.46
3 E_Eurasian 5.22


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 7.324160
2 BedouinA @ 16.846483
3 Jordanian @ 21.452845
4 Palestinian @ 22.485489
5 Syrian @ 22.912058
6 Makrani @ 22.998636
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 24.058678
8 Saudi @ 24.400303
9 Lebanese @ 25.170492
10 Brahui @ 26.251923
11 Balochi @ 26.464054
12 Iranian @ 27.339592
13 Turkish @ 28.797319
14 Kurd_C @ 28.896170
15 Kurd_SE @ 29.656435
16 Tajik_Pomiri @ 29.792358
17 Balkar @ 30.287207
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.584183
19 Kalash @ 30.911577
20 Pathan @ 30.969503

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Adygei +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 0.769972
2 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Mordovian @ 0.883118
3 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Finnish @ 0.983910
4 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Russian @ 1.198064
5 50% Chechen +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 1.326521
6 50% Balkar +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.170545
7 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_C @ 2.324378
8 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Turkish @ 2.365587
9 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_N @ 2.422779
10 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Loschbour @ 2.597506
11 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Iranian @ 2.789910
12 50% Abkhasian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.943590
13 50% Estonian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 3.098808
14 50% Belarusian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 3.426389
15 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Georgian_Jew @ 3.593552
16 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Ukrainian @ 3.887188
17 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Georgian @ 4.201394
18 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Iranian_Jew @ 4.252705
19 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Lithuanian @ 4.293683
20 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Hungarian @ 4.363233


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Adygei +25% Croatian +25% Luhya @ 0.000000

He doesn't seem mixed tbh and judging by your SSA levels (your father is probably between 45-50% SSA) and his origin in Kassala; I think your father must have been a mostly pure Beja.This might explain why you score Somali who are Cushitic speakers like the Beja and Masai who on average carry 50% Cushitic admixture.

aminapamina
03-05-2020, 05:39 PM
He doesn't seem mixed tbh and judging by your SSA levels (your father is probably between 45-50% SSA) and his origin in Kassala; I think your father must have been a mostly pure Beja.This might explain why you score Somali who are Cushitic speakers like the Beja and Masai who on average carry 50% Cushitic admixture.

OHKAY! so Beja it is... Even he is mixed with egyptian and saudi makes him Beja? My grandmother (his mother) is half saudi half egyptian... hmm.

SO what am i then? can i call myself mulatto? half black half white? half arab?

half "Beja"?

Hurricane
03-05-2020, 06:48 PM
Interesting. MyHeritage listed it as 48% Africa and 36% European, 8.3% middle east, 6.8% Asia, 0.9% (that one os strange but cool though) Ozeania: https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/594989631
My mum is white with no (knowed) migration background as my hole austrian family. If my mother would do the test, we can see if i got the jewish from her.

The final question is still - why it says maasai and somali. That one i really want to know. As one somehow believe what the test is saying.
But some in the forum already told me that my heritage has no examples from sudan, so it chooses maasai and somali.
As well as the result "austrian" does not exist. It says eastern europe. Even if austria is pretty much middle europe.



It doesnīt show sudanese at all. it is still maasai and somali - so i guess thatīs it? even if no single person in my family in egypt (fathers side) knows about it.

Is there a better "commercial" DNA test for african heritage?


Myheritage only has four East African references: Ethiopian Jewish, Kenyan, Maasai and Somali. Thats why.

The only commercial tests with sudanese references are 23andme and LivingDNA.

drobbah
03-05-2020, 06:52 PM
OHKAY! so Beja it is... Even he is mixed with egyptian and saudi makes him Beja? My grandmother (his mother) is half saudi half egyptian... hmm.

SO what am i then? can i call myself mulatto? half black half white? half arab?

half "Beja"?

If he had Saudi or Egyptian he wouldn't be 50% SSA.He's clearly purely Sudanese (whether Beja or Sudanese Arab).Technically your father like many Northern Sudanese and people of the Horn are ancient "mulatoes"

You're predominantly West Eurasian so I don't know why you call yourself mulatoe.

aminapamina
03-05-2020, 08:51 PM
If he had Saudi or Egyptian he wouldn't be 50% SSA.He's clearly purely Sudanese (whether Beja or Sudanese Arab).Technically your father like many Northern Sudanese and people of the Horn are ancient "mulatoes"

But how can that be, when his mother is not sudanese, only his grandfather. Or did he just not get eny of her DNA?



You're predominantly West Eurasian so I don't know why you call yourself mulatoe.

Mulatto - one parent is black, one is white. Why west eurasian - my father is african my mother white european.
eurasians are mixed with white and asian, as far as i know.

once an afro - american person told me that i look very african. and if you have one black parent then you are black in america.

people from europe see me as mixed, i heard mulatto a view times. or simply black.
it is EUROPE... they donīt know the difference.

drobbah
03-05-2020, 09:02 PM
But how can that be, when his mother is not sudanese, only his grandfather. Or did he just not get eny of her DNA?


His mother could be Nubian or Beja with Egyptian nationality.Nubians live in Southern Egypt (Aswan) while the Beia live in the South Eastern desert corner of Egypt.
I'm quite certain that your father didn't have an ethnic egyptian mother.Anwar Sadat was a Nubian president of Egypt



Mulatto - one parent is black, one is white. Why west eurasian - my father is african my mother white european.
eurasians are mixed with white and asian, as far as i know.

once an afro - american person told me that i look very african. and if you have one black parent then you are black in america.

people from europe see me as mixed, i heard mulatto a view times. or simply black.
it is EUROPE... they donīt know the difference.
Genetically you're predominantly West Eurasian ("Caucasian").Labels like Black or Mulatto are social constructs and are applied differently in different societies

aminapamina
03-05-2020, 09:47 PM
His mother could be Nubian or Beja with Egyptian nationality.Nubians live in Southern Egypt (Aswan) while the Beia live in the South Eastern desert corner of Egypt.
I'm quite certain that your father didn't have an ethnic egyptian mother.Anwar Sadat was a Nubian president of Egypt

so i canīt say that i am half egyptian? Myheritage says i am 48% african, 36% europe, the rest middle east and asian. so african is the most in me.
my father used to say that nubians are the real egyptians.



Labels like Black or Mulatto are social constructs and are applied differently in different societies this is very true.

i think i look african/ish. here some pics. dont know how you see it. one white person told me once i have "negroid" features.

https://imgur.com/a/VXmYwmd
https://imgur.com/a/09k2a4k
https://imgur.com/undefined
me and my mother
https://imgur.com/ZJu8vOW

drobbah
03-05-2020, 10:18 PM
so i canīt say that i am half egyptian? Myheritage says i am 48% african, 36% europe, the rest middle east and asian. so african is the most in me.
my father used to say that nubians are the real egyptians.

this is very true.

i think i look african/ish. here some pics. dont know how you see it. one white person told me once i have "negroid" features.

https://imgur.com/a/VXmYwmd
https://imgur.com/a/09k2a4k
https://imgur.com/undefined
me and my mother
https://imgur.com/ZJu8vOW

What you identify as is entirely up to you as that is a very personal matter.As for your myheritage result, the 48% African probably includes a North African percentage.

You are half African & European but when one looks at your deep ancestry the way the K3 calculator did.You are 75% Eurasian and 25% SSA aka 'Black African'.

aminapamina
03-05-2020, 10:55 PM
What you identify as is entirely up to you as that is a very personal matter.As for your myheritage result, the 48% African probably includes a North African percentage.

You are half African & European but when one looks at your deep ancestry the way the K3 calculator did.You are 75% Eurasian and 25% SSA aka 'Black African'.

yes, my heritage gave me a lot of north african (look at my entrance post) but still maasai (sudan) was on first place of all ethnicitys.
iīm thinking about to do another dna test -
ancestry or 23andme or something else?
if the result of myheritage is not correct - why is gedmatch not popular then?

drobbah
03-06-2020, 05:59 AM
yes, my heritage gave me a lot of north african (look at my entrance post) but still maasai (sudan) was on first place of all ethnicitys.
iīm thinking about to do another dna test -
ancestry or 23andme or something else?
if the result of myheritage is not correct - why is gedmatch not popular then?
I suggest taking a 23andme test.They have Sudanese references and Horn of Africa references (Somali & Ethio/Eritrean).

Leto
03-10-2020, 09:12 PM
Your Black African ancestry is obvious in your looks. But you aren't a proper mulatto by any means. I guess quarter blacks were/are called 'quadroons'.
Can you post your Dodecad World9 admixture?

aminapamina
03-11-2020, 08:46 AM
Your Black African ancestry is obvious in your looks. But you aren't a proper mulatto by any means. I guess quarter blacks were/are called 'quadroons'.
Can you post your Dodecad World9 admixture?

Sure, here are the results:

36769

Oracle result:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 30.59
2 Southern 28.12
3 African 23.81
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 12.7
5 South_Asian 2.15
6 East_Asian 1.1
7 Australasian 0.9
8 Siberian 0.43
9 Amerindian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Puerto_Rican 19.57
2 PUR30 22.59
3 Dominican 26.18
4 Moroccans (Behar) 26.46
5 Mozabite 27.98
6 Sicilian (Dodecad) 29.73
7 Ashkenazy_Jews 30.07
8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 30.41
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 30.42
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 30.68
11 S_Italian (Dodecad) 30.83
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 31.08
13 C_Italian (Dodecad) 31.16
14 Brazilian (Dodecad) 31.47
15 Greek (Dodecad) 31.55
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.92
17 Tuscan (HGDP) 32.69
18 Yemenese (Behar) 32.8
19 TSI30 (Metspalu) 33.01
20 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 33.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.7% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 2.37
2 66.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 33.8% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 2.5
3 68.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Sandawe_He @ 2.67
4 66% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 34% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 2.85
5 68.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Sandawe_He @ 3
6 67.7% Tuscan (HGDP) + 32.3% Sandawe_He @ 3.04
7 71.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.2% Hadza_He @ 3.14
8 67.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.7% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 3.41
9 67.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 32.5% Sandawe_He @ 3.48
10 73.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.1% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 4.16
11 56.9% Romanians (Behar) + 43.1% Somali (Dodecad) @ 4.23
12 71.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.1% Hadza_He @ 4.25
13 74.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.8% LWK30 (Behar) @ 4.27
14 56.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 43.9% Somali (Dodecad) @ 4.55
15 74.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Mandenka @ 4.6
16 56.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 43.6% Somali (Dodecad) @ 4.62
17 52% Ethiopians (Behar) + 48% Hungarians (Behar) @ 4.71
18 55.2% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) + 44.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.81
19 54.9% Ethiopians (Behar) + 45.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.88
20 70.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 29.1% Hadza_He @ 4.89

What does that mean now?

I really have to do the 23and me test. But regarding myheritage i thought i am more african then european. north africa is genetically not ss african. - what is "african", it is a continent.
myheritage is not really acurate on that.

Leto
03-11-2020, 12:26 PM
In this case the African is definitely Sub-Saharan. Drobbah already told you - you are about one quarter Sub-Saharan with the rest being West Eurasian. Arabs and Berbers are genetically still majority Eurasian, although some of them may live in Africa geographically (Egypt, Maghreb).

aminapamina
03-12-2020, 07:49 AM
okay - i am almost done with my ancestry research

aminapamina
03-12-2020, 10:52 PM
In this case the African is definitely Sub-Saharan. Drobbah already told you - you are about one quarter Sub-Saharan with the rest being West Eurasian. Arabs and Berbers are genetically still majority Eurasian, although some of them may live in Africa geographically (Egypt, Maghreb).

i see.
now the last very important question - where from SS Africa exactly?
Sudan does not appear enywhere at the gedmatch oracles. guess it is bc of myheritages assumption that it is maasai&somali instead of sudan.

i hope 23and me can tell me more about it. funny. ppl with african heritage have to try out some costly tests to get accurate answers >:(

Leto
03-14-2020, 06:48 PM
i see.
now the last very important question - where from SS Africa exactly?
Sudan does not appear enywhere at the gedmatch oracles. guess it is bc of myheritages assumption that it is maasai&somali instead of sudan.

I assume from Eastern Africa. MyHeritage is generally less accurare for most people.

Jammies
03-14-2020, 07:55 PM
Saudi Arabia is a country with a diverse group of people. Some of those people, despite being very different (genetically-speaking) from actual ethnic Saudis, self-identify as ethnic Saudis. Same is true of Egypt. Just something to keep in mind.

aminapamina
04-03-2020, 06:20 PM
Hello there again,

I have some new information about the heritage from the father of my father - he came from southern kordofan, from the nuba mountains, Katuqli is the capital - the tribe is called Tagale.

The mother of my father has ethiopian and saudi and egyptian heritage, she was not fully egyptian.
Greetings

aminapamina
07-31-2020, 11:50 PM
NEWS: My cousin confirmed from egypt recently confirmed that they are from the Ja īFari tribe! https://www.sadatalashrafinstitute.org/tribes/ja-fari-aal-al-uraydhi

Aswan and my grandmother (fatherīs side) is from El Quasir - Red sea.

They are not nubian. And the story from kordofan was from the daughter of my fatherīs cousin, they are not related to us.

And my fatherīs mother was egyptian/saudi.

I just want to know why is all my egyptian family so dark skinned?
There must be some subsaharan roots.

drobbah
08-01-2020, 12:11 AM
Aswan is the capital of the Nubians in Egypt and the Red Sea/Eastern desert does have Beja tribes (Cushitic speakers related to Somalis,Ethiopians).Judging by your results, your father probably clusters with the Egyptian/Sudanese Nubians, the most Sub-Saharan Egyptians (outliers) are at maximum 25% SSA while your father is atleast 50% SSA.

aminapamina
08-01-2020, 05:48 PM
Thanks for answer.

My cousin said that we are not nubian. No one in the family speaks nubian - thatīs what he said. :confused:

I am confused about that statement.

And:
Myheritage Does not know Sudanese DNA, so it says Maasai i guess?

And if he was 50% SSA - why is his skin so very dark. It is almost nilotic. While his face features are not SSA at all.

Kasana
09-04-2020, 02:50 PM
australian results?