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Il PapÓ
01-28-2014, 09:32 PM
Hi,I was looking the other day about Cretan autosomal DNA but I found mostly charts about haplogroups frequencies but I was still able to find the dodecad k12a results of one person who was from Milos by his father and Sfakia in Crete by his mother .So if anyone of you knows some more Cretans or Aegans dna results ,please share it with us on this thread.

His results:
33.59% North_European
30.48% Mediterranean
20.95% Caucasus
6.14% Southwest_Asian
5.13% Gedrosia
1.94% West_African
0.77% Northwest_African
0.28% South_Asian
0.27% East_African
0.19% Far_Asian
0.19% Southeast_Asian
0.06% Siberian


his Y-dna: R1b U152 L2
his mtdna: T2

He says that he has not known recent foreign ancestry. What strikes me is his low caucasus and southwest asian score and his high north european compared to dodecad k12a greek average,not to mention his y-dna how did it manage to end up in Milos ?.There is also his weird 2% west african.

mnd
01-28-2014, 10:23 PM
Hi,I was looking the other day about Cretan autosomal DNA but I found mostly charts about haplogroups frequencies but I was still able to find the dodecad k12a results of one person who was from Milos by his father and Sfakia in Crete by his mother .So if anyone of you knows some more Cretans or Aegans dna results ,please share it with us on this thread.

His results:
33.59% North_European
30.48% Mediterranean
20.95% Caucasus
6.14% Southwest_Asian
5.13% Gedrosia
1.94% West_African
0.77% Northwest_African
0.28% South_Asian
0.27% East_African
0.19% Far_Asian
0.19% Southeast_Asian
0.06% Siberian


his Y-dna: R1b U152 L2
his mtdna: T2

He says that he has not known recent foreign ancestry. What strikes me is his low caucasus and southwest asian score and his high north european compared to dodecad k12a greek average,not to mention his y-dna how did it manage to end up in Milos ?.There is also his weird 2% west african.
They do not look like the results of someone who is (fully) Greek. I've never seen a Greek score West African before, and the "North European" percentage is very high relative to the "Caucasus" one - especially given where in Greece he's allegedly from.

According to the Dodecad thread on project samples (http://dodecad.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/information-about-project-samples.html), DOD123 is from Crete. Their results for K12a are:

38.3% Caucasus
25.8% Mediterranean
14.5% North European
12.4% Southwest Asian
6.6% Gedrosia
2.3% Northwest African

And 0 for the rest. That looks more like what I would expect... the one you have posted, not so much.

Il PapÓ
01-28-2014, 10:34 PM
They do not look like the results of someone who is (fully) Greek. I've never seen a Greek score West African before, and the "North European" percentage is very high relative to the "Caucasus" one - especially given where in Greece he's allegedly from.

According to the Dodecad thread on project samples (http://dodecad.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/information-about-project-samples.html), DOD123 is from Crete. Their results for K12a are:

38.3% Caucasus
25.8% Mediterranean
14.5% North European
12.4% Southwest Asian
6.6% Gedrosia
2.3% Northwest African

And 0 for the rest. That looks more like what I would expect... the one you have posted, not so much.

Well,I'm not omniscient so I don't know if he lied or not but he does say he is fully greek(user dorianfinder),see here:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27126-K12a-admixture-calculator

mnd
01-28-2014, 10:49 PM
Well,I'm not god so I don't know if he lied or not but he does say he is fully greek(user dorianfinder),see here:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27126-K12a-admixture-calculator
It may be that there's a fault in one of their data files or their reading of the results. Dodecad's calculator may be noisier than the actual project results, but it's not noisy enough to be giving results which seem that far out.

(A less likely alternative is that his parents aren't telling him something.)

Il PapÓ
01-29-2014, 10:21 AM
They do not look like the results of someone who is (fully) Greek. I've never seen a Greek score West African before, and the "North European" percentage is very high relative to the "Caucasus" one - especially given where in Greece he's allegedly from.

According to the Dodecad thread on project samples (http://dodecad.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/information-about-project-samples.html), DOD123 is from Crete. Their results for K12a are:

38.3% Caucasus
25.8% Mediterranean
14.5% North European
12.4% Southwest Asian
6.6% Gedrosia
2.3% Northwest African

And 0 for the rest. That looks more like what I would expect... the one you have posted, not so much.

I just looked and I don't see anything that say that DOD123 is from crete in the link you gave me.

mnd
01-29-2014, 11:44 AM
I just looked and I don't see anything that say that DOD123 is from crete in the link you gave me.
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seferhabahir
03-20-2015, 02:09 AM
I am curious about my relationship to Cretan autosomal DNA. Below are my Dodecad K12b results and my MDLP K23b results with the top 8 Oracle designations for each (these have been posted before in other threads). Cretan ranks up at the top with AJ on the K23b Oracle results. Also below is a plot from a Doug McDonald analysis showing the Old World average location a bit to the north of Crete. I can't find out very much about the similarities for AJ and Cretan autosomal DNA (usually Greeks, Sicilians, and Italians are mentioned). I know not all of AJ will end up close to Cretan, so am wondering why I do. This got discussed a bit in another thread on K23b, but thought I would post the question here as a more appropriate place. I hope the inserted image is viewable. The Dodecad project does have a few posts comparing Greeks, Italians, Cypriots and European Jews.

Dodecad K12b

34.69% Caucasus
24.44% Atlantic_Med
14.52% Southwest_Asian
13.68% North_European
5.72% Gedrosia
3.68% Northwest_African
1.20% Siberian
1.04% Southeast_Asian
0.73% East_African
0.18% Sub_Saharan
0.11% East_Asian
0.01% South_Asian

1 Ashkenazi_D 5.7432
2 Ashkenazi_Jews 5.8648
3 S_Italian_Sicilian_D 6.6873
4 Sicilian_D 6.9592
5 Sephardic_Jews 9.2076
6 Greek_D 9.9942
7 Morocco_Jews 11.8347
8 C_Italian_D 12.8633

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MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

36.32% Caucasian
19.13% European_Early_Farmers
13.35% Near_East
12.20% European_Hunters_Gatherers
6.97% South_Central_Asian
5.44% North_African
7167% East_African
1.52% East_Siberian

1 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 5.489746
2 Cretan @ 5.749528
3 Sicilian_West @ 6.405828
4 Sicilian_East @ 6.957144
5 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 7.370287
6 Romanian_Jew @ 7.398375
7 Ashkenazi @ 7.804954
8 Sicilian_Agrigento @ 8.009619


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seferhabahir
03-20-2015, 06:17 PM
Here are couple of Crete results I found for K23b, only showing the top 8 populations for each (the Australoid and Pygmy may be throwing the results off) :

Crete #1

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.23
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.21
3 Near_East 11.65
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.84
5 South_Central_Asian 9.32
6 North_African 5.40
7 Australoid 1.35

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Smyrna @ 5.691764
2 Cretan @ 5.991156
3 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7.055957
4 Romanian_Jew @ 7.103893
5 Italian_South @ 7.139956
6 Greek_Athens @ 7.846120
7 Greek_Islands @ 7.892166
8 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 7.950134


Crete #2

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.9
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.58
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.6
4 Near_East 12.24
5 South_Central_Asian 7.28
6 North_African 5.6
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.19
8 East_African 0.65
9 African_Pygmy 0.5
10 South_East_Asian 0.29
11 South_Indian 0.09
12 Australoid 0.08

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 4.932953
2 Romanian_Jew @ 5.578615
3 Italian_South @ 6.741202
4 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 6.748312
5 Cretan @ 6.932100
6 Greek @ 6.970383
7 Greek_Athens @ 7.063377
8 Greek_Phokaia @ 7.208488

seferhabahir
03-20-2015, 06:25 PM
Here are two more K23b Eastern Sicilian results that both have Cretan at the top, followed by Sicilian East and AJ as the next two. I would think these two results might be more indicative of Crete than the previous two that supposedly were from Crete, but I can't really tell. It certainly looks like there is some kind of relationship between AJ, East Sicilian and Crete in K23b.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.02
3 Near_East 11.51
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.27
5 South_Central_Asian 7.41
6 North_African 7.24
7 East_African 1.25

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan @ 3.804792
2 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 5.464146
3 Sicilian_East @ 5.807765
4 Romanian_Jew @ 6.157026
5 Ashkenazi @ 6.925992
6 Italian_South @ 7.090545
7 Sicilian_West @ 7.211000
8 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 7.307272


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.28
2 European_Early_Farmers 21.05
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.71
4 Near_East 10.65
5 South_Central_Asian 7.83
6 North_African 7.21
7 Austronesian 1.11

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan @ 3.792150
2 Sicilian_East @ 4.503232
3 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 5.158022
4 Romanian_Jew @ 5.865585
5 French_Jew @ 6.034600
6 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 6.213295
7 Italian_South @ 6.314538
8 Sicilian_West @ 6.321064