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Grim82
02-20-2020, 07:37 PM
Hi there,

I am new here and didn´t know where to write this post so I´ve decided to do it here.

I made the test with MyHeritage and found out that I am J2b2....J2-M241 (JZ-Z1827, J2-Z575).
I uploaded my raw file into DNA.LAND and among many results ther was 10% Ashkenazi...being curious about that % I used Oracle Dodecad and found out this:


Mixed Mode Population Sharing

1 80,6% Slovenian 19,4% Greek
2 72,3% Romanians_14 27,7% Swedish
3 86,7% Slovenian 13,3% Cypriots
4 65,8% Slovenian 34,2% Romanians_14
5 77,5% Hungarian 22,5% Ashkenazi_Jew
6 78,7% Hungarian 21,3% Ashkenazi
7 73,8% Romanians_14 26,2% Norwegian
8 84,1% Slovenian 15,9% S_Italian
9 59,8% Romanians_14 40,2% German
10 71,5% Balkans 28,5% Mixed_Germanic
11 83,5% Slovenian 16,5% Sicilian
12 87,9% Hungarians 12,1% Armenian
13 86,5 Hungarians 13,5 Azerbaijan_Jews
14 86,7% Hungarians 13,3% Druze
15 83,2% Slovenian 16,8% S_Italian_Sicilian
16 85% Slovenian 15% Sephardic_Jew

Those numbers related to "Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Azeri Jews" are just my misinterpretation or there could be something related to some Jewish ancestors?

Any comment/answer is very appreciated :)

Ayetooey
02-20-2020, 07:41 PM
Where are you from?

I would suggest looking at k13 or k15 oracles over dodecad. And I'd recommend G25 over gedmatch.

Grim82
02-20-2020, 07:59 PM
Thanks for your reply, i'll do what you said.! My father is from Krk Island ( Croatia), I was born in Rijeka - Fiume. ( Croatia ).

El Prudente
02-20-2020, 09:06 PM
Whats your estimate in MH? I thought they were good at picking out jewish ancestry
Also how did you find out your y haplogroup? Morley predictor?

Grim82
02-20-2020, 09:30 PM
Whats your estimate in MH? I thought they were good at picking out jewish ancestry
Also how did you find out your y haplogroup? Morley predictor?

If I hadn't see those numbers I would never think of some possibile Jewish ancestry, if It Is one, It just happend and now I am curious about it.
Yes I was told Morley was a good choice...If you know some alternative i can try it, i am not an expert in this DNA research, it's all new for me

El Prudente
02-21-2020, 06:28 PM
If I hadn't see those numbers I would never think of some possibile Jewish ancestry, if It Is one, It just happend and now I am curious about it.
Yes I was told Morley was a good choice...If you know some alternative i can try it, i am not an expert in this DNA research, it's all new for me

Are you from central/east Europe? Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

mildlycurly
02-22-2020, 07:58 AM
For all its Jewish samples, Myheritage is pretty poor at assigning them correctly. This goes for most people infact.

Check your GEDmatch matches. If there are a lot of Jewish surnames there, chances are you have Ashkenazi in you.

Pylsteen
02-22-2020, 01:44 PM
If you are a quarter Jewish you likely have a lot of Jewish matches at MyHeritage.

passenger
02-22-2020, 06:07 PM
Are you from central/east Europe? Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

I'm not sure what you meant by "essentially European". Autosomally speaking, Ashkenazim are predominantly a mix of Southern European and Middle East/North African groups, with a significant, but much smaller contribution of NW and NE European. They are very clearly autosomally distinct from Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans and much more easily confused with Southern Europeans (Southern Italians and Greeks).

passenger
02-22-2020, 06:09 PM
If you are a quarter Jewish you likely have a lot of Jewish matches at MyHeritage.

Yes, follow the matches.

Ajeje Brazorf
02-22-2020, 06:10 PM
Upload your raw data on GEDmatch

Grim82
02-24-2020, 07:36 AM
Are you from central/east Europe? Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

I am from South-East Europe

Grim82
02-24-2020, 07:47 AM
Where are you from?

I would suggest looking at k13 or k15 oracles over dodecad. And I'd recommend G25 over gedmatch.

How does G25 work? Can I upload raw data form Myheritage?

SUPREEEEEME
02-24-2020, 07:57 AM
Are you from central/east Europe? Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

That's incorrect.

Nino90
02-24-2020, 10:27 AM
How does G25 work? Can I upload raw data form Myheritage?

Go to Eurogenes dot com and you will find all information you need.
I can also recommend Admixture Studios( It's free ).

chocoholic
02-26-2020, 05:18 AM
If you are a quarter Jewish you likely have a lot of Jewish matches at MyHeritage.

Agreed, but only if your Jewish is Ashkenazi. Partial Sephardim and Mizrahim will have less matches (although a few) considering Ashkenazim are a lot more endogamous!

StillWater
03-07-2020, 02:16 AM
Are you from central/east Europe? Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

Are you denying my Khazar heritage?

El Prudente
03-07-2020, 10:04 AM
Are you denying my Khazar heritage?

How i am denying your khazar heritage? Also i thought khazars settled eastern Europe

StillWater
03-07-2020, 12:28 PM
How i am denying your khazar heritage? Also i thought khazars settled eastern Europe

The irony is that it's easier to mistake your autosomal profile for Eastern European.

El Prudente
03-07-2020, 12:58 PM
The irony is that it's easier to mistake your autosomal profile for Eastern European.

Im not sure about that

SUPREEEEEME
03-07-2020, 01:27 PM
Im not sure about that

You're probably closer to Eastern Europeans than we are.

StillWater
03-07-2020, 01:47 PM
You're probably closer to Eastern Europeans than we are.

Not probably, but definitely, at least as far as autosomal distance is concerned using almost every imaginable coordinate system.

StillWater
03-07-2020, 01:51 PM
Im not sure about that

Post your distances to these references:

Distance to: Me_scaled
0.16048200 Polish
0.17691851 Belarusian
0.18418256 Lithuanian_PA
0.18769926 Lithuanian_VA
0.19430101 Lithuanian_RA
0.19689290 Lithuanian_VZ
0.20207600 Lithuanian_SZ
0.20381739 Lithuanian_PZ

El Prudente
03-07-2020, 05:51 PM
Post your distances to these references:

Distance to: Me_scaled
0.16048200 Polish
0.17691851 Belarusian
0.18418256 Lithuanian_PA
0.18769926 Lithuanian_VA
0.19430101 Lithuanian_RA
0.19689290 Lithuanian_VZ
0.20207600 Lithuanian_SZ
0.20381739 Lithuanian_PZ

I dont have G25 coordinates...

El Prudente
03-07-2020, 06:00 PM
Anyways here you have distances with original k13 spreadsheet references
Distance to: yo
39.41311584 Polish
43.23437753 Russian_Smolensk
43.81087536 Belorussian
48.56386208 Lithuanian

Generalissimo
03-08-2020, 12:53 AM
Are you from central/east Europe? Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

You can easily check this sort of stuff nowadays you know.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2jwhvkhD2UI/XmRBH7oEw-I/AAAAAAAAIvI/ciiyXMrMQHMgPI-O7kC07I4CpVoCwq6igCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Vahaduo%2BGlobal%2B25%2BEurope%2B1%2BPCA.png

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 12:58 AM
You can easily check this sort of stuff nowadays you know.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2jwhvkhD2UI/XmRBH7oEw-I/AAAAAAAAIvI/ciiyXMrMQHMgPI-O7kC07I4CpVoCwq6igCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Vahaduo%2BGlobal%2B25%2BEurope%2B1%2BPCA.png

but we are talking about myheritage

Generalissimo
03-08-2020, 01:00 AM
but we are talking about myheritage

So myheritage exists in a parallel universe in which your statement was true?

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 01:02 AM
So myheritage exists in a parallel universe in which your statement was true?

https://www.myheritage.es/ethnicities/ashkenazi-jewish/ethnicity-worldwide-distribution
well we are in the mh subforum

Generalissimo
03-08-2020, 01:04 AM
https://www.myheritage.es/ethnicities/ashkenazi-jewish/ethnicity-worldwide-distribution
well we are in the mh subforum

Yes, I know. But you said this...


Ashkenazies are essentially europeans from such region so they are hard to tell apart

Why did you make this claim?

passenger
03-08-2020, 01:06 AM
https://www.myheritage.es/ethnicities/ashkenazi-jewish/ethnicity-worldwide-distribution
well we are in the mh subforum

Huh? What is that supposed to prove? I think you're a bit confused about what MH ethnicity distribution actually represents.

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 01:16 AM
Yes, I know. But you said this...



Why did you make this claim?

not my claim, but mh claim

Generalissimo
03-08-2020, 01:25 AM
not my claim, but mh claim

That's not their claim.

You don't understand what you're looking at.

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 01:33 AM
That's not their claim.

You don't understand what you're looking at.

they really tend to overestimate ashkenazi in east europeans

passenger
03-08-2020, 01:41 AM
they really tend to overestimate ashkenazi in east europeans

That's not necessarily true. The ethnicity distribution on MH just shows you what percentage of users who ordered their kits from a particular country were assigned that ethnicity. It does not mean that the average non-Jewish Russian, for example, is autosomally similar to the average Ashkenazi. It is also a biased sampling, because it only accounts for the average MH customer, and not the average citizen of a particular country or member of a particular ethnicity.

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 01:48 AM
That's not necessarily true. The ethnicity distribution on MH just shows you what percentage of users who ordered their kits from a particular country were assigned that ethnicity. It does not mean that the average non-Jewish Russian, for example, is autosomally similar to the average Ashkenazi. It is also a biased sampling, because it only accounts for the average MH customer, and not the average citizen of a particular country or member of a particular ethnicity.

you know what is miscegenation? you really think mh ashkenazy samples are completely extent of eastern euro dna?

passenger
03-08-2020, 01:55 AM
you know what is miscegenation? you really think mh ashkenazy samples are completely extent of eastern euro dna?

I think you mean "devoid of eastern euro dna", and no, I didn't say that. The average Ashkenazi has some, but it is overall a minor component, so their autosomal average is quite different from that of the average non-Jewish Eastern European. In any case, this has very little to do with the MH ethnicity distribution feature, which you're clearly misinterpreting.

StillWater
03-08-2020, 03:47 AM
they really tend to overestimate ashkenazi in east europeans

Don't forget that it must also mean that I'm heavily Native American and in particular, descend from the native tribes of the New York area. (edit: to be fair, you could point out that most Americans aren't of native ancestry, so it's not completely analogous. Regardless, what passenger pointed out it is the basic truth.)

StillWater
03-08-2020, 03:53 AM
you know what is miscegenation? you really think mh ashkenazy samples are completely extent of eastern euro dna?

Just think how much Eastern Euopean admixture would be required for your earlier statements to be true. And it's no secret that Ashkenazim have recent Eastern European admixture.

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 10:08 AM
I think you mean "devoid of eastern euro dna", and no, I didn't say that. The average Ashkenazi has some, but it is overall a minor component, so their autosomal average is quite different from that of the average non-Jewish Eastern European. In any case, this has very little to do with the MH ethnicity distribution feature, which you're clearly misinterpreting.

now you almost understand my point

passenger
03-08-2020, 02:43 PM
now you almost understand my point

No, I really don't, because I don't think you have a point, or at least you're not making it at all clear through your explanations and the "evidence" you've provided.

El Prudente
03-08-2020, 03:33 PM
I cant get over your linear 2d way of thinking

passenger
03-08-2020, 06:49 PM
I cant get over your linear 2d way of thinking

Lol. I didn't realize you were from another dimension. That explains a lot and why nobody else here seems to understand your reasoning either. You're simply beyond our plane of existence.