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Farroukh
04-16-2020, 05:50 PM
Person: Muammar Gaddafi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi)
Haplogroup: E-MZ3 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-MZ3/), source: test of paternal relative
Known as: Libyan revolutionary, politician and political theorist

https://c.radikal.ru/c35/2004/43/abd2af7d76a7t.jpg (https://c.radikal.ru/c35/2004/43/abd2af7d76a7.jpg)

Farroukh
04-16-2020, 05:55 PM
Person: Zinedine Zidane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinedine_Zidane)
Haplogroup: E-M81 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-M81/), source: test of brother Nordin
Known as: French former professional football player, current manager of La Liga club Real Madrid, widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time

http://biographera.net/biographies/zidan/img.jpg

Farroukh
04-16-2020, 05:56 PM
The same topic on Molgen (in Russian) (http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,1473.0.html)

JoeyP37
04-16-2020, 07:11 PM
Whoa, E-M35 has Hitler, Napoleon, AND Gaddafi? Before anyone else mentions it, I will state Hitler's underling Rudolf Hess and I are both male-line descendants of Daddy L1029, who lived during the latter days of the Roman Republic. Also I think Einstein was E-M35, while we L1029 guys have Tesla.

Farroukh
04-16-2020, 07:33 PM
Joey, let's stay away from politics. Only famous persons list.

I will add new persons tomorrow

Farroukh
04-17-2020, 05:19 PM
Person: Napoleon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon)
Haplogroup: E-Y58897 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-Y58897/), source: test of sequel paternal descendant (https://www.igenea.com/en/napoleon)
Known as: French statesman and military leader, Emperor of the French (1804-1814)

http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//58/75/58075082_Napoleon_cvet.jpg

Farroukh
04-17-2020, 05:26 PM
Person: Saloum Cohen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saloum_Cohen)
Haplogroup: E-FGC62855 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-FGC62855/), source: personal test (http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Shen2004.pdf)
Known as: Samaritan High Priest, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TzRefepAVaM/TZY_81Z-yxI/AAAAAAAAAww/xpso8qovpxk/s1600/Shalom%2Bben%2BAmram%2Bben%2BIsaac.jpg

Farroukh
04-18-2020, 10:48 AM
Person: Adolf Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler)
Haplogroup: E-M35 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-M35/), source: tests of 39 sequel paternal descendants (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html)
Known as: German politician and leader of the Nazi Party

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H1216-0500-002%2C_Adolf_Hitler.jpg/280px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H1216-0500-002%2C_Adolf_Hitler.jpg

Farroukh
04-18-2020, 10:58 AM
Person: Albert Einstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein)
Haplogroup: E-PF1952 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-PF1952/), source: test of sequel paternal descendant (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/GermanJewishGersig/default.aspx?section=ycolorized)
Known as: German-born theoretical physicist, developer of the theory of relativity, receiver of Nobel Prize in Physics (1921)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-10447%2C_Albert_Einstein.jpg/200px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-10447%2C_Albert_Einstein.jpg

Farroukh
04-18-2020, 11:16 AM
Person: Wright brothers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers)
Haplogroup: E-Y152935 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-Y152935/), source: test of sequel paternal descendant (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/wright/default.aspx?section=yresults)
Known as: American aviation pioneers generally credited with inventing, building, and flying the world's first successful motor-operated airplane (1903)

https://a.radikal.ru/a11/2004/1a/7888e3aac41bt.jpg (https://a.radikal.ru/a11/2004/1a/7888e3aac41b.jpg)

Johane Derite
06-04-2020, 12:05 PM
Person: Adolf Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler)
Haplogroup: E-M35 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-M35/), source: tests of 39 sequel paternal descendants (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html)
Known as: German politician and leader of the Nazi Party

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H1216-0500-002%2C_Adolf_Hitler.jpg/280px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H1216-0500-002%2C_Adolf_Hitler.jpg

Is there any guess or estimate which branch? Are there Ev13s in hitlers region or is it more likely some other E branch?

Aspar
06-04-2020, 12:37 PM
My favorite one Sir David Attenborough. I grew up with his documentaries about the wildlife...

Person: David Attenborough (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Attenborough)
Haplogroup: E-M215 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M215/)-M35???, source: His brother Richard Attenborough (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Attenborough) apparently confessed (https://www.academia.edu/6089365/Origins_and_history_of_Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA_) how the males from the Attenborough family belong to E1b1b1 haplogroup.
Known as: English broadcaster and natural historian.

https://i.postimg.cc/25B8ySrM/David-Attenborough-2008.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WDTPfjDw)

Johane Derite
06-04-2020, 01:10 PM
Some famous E-V13's:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESC6qPJXkAML5c4?format=jpg&name=large

Kelmendasi
06-04-2020, 02:00 PM
Is there any guess or estimate which branch? Are there Ev13s in hitlers region or is it more likely some other E branch?
There are a couple E-V13 samples from the region of Lower Austria, where Hitler's father Alois was born (Strones, Döllersheim, specifically). It should be noted that the paternity of Alois is still unknown, most historians accept that one of the Hiedler brothers was the biological father of Alois, with Johann Georg Hiedler being the more likely candidate. The Hiedler family was from Spital, which was a village near Weitra in Lower Austria.

Riverman
06-05-2020, 11:45 AM
There are a couple E-V13 samples from the region of Lower Austria, where Hitler's father Alois was born (Strones, Döllersheim, specifically). It should be noted that the paternity of Alois is still unknown, most historians accept that one of the Hiedler brothers was the biological father of Alois, with Johann Georg Hiedler being the more likely candidate. The Hiedler family was from Spital, which was a village near Weitra in Lower Austria.

Anything other than E-V13 would be a big surprise, because about every 10th male person in core Austria and Southern Bohemia, the regions his paternal ancestry is supposed to be from, is E-V13, whereas other clades of E-M35 are much rarer. Its a simple probability that almost everybody with E-M35 from this region should be E-V13 and anything else is exceptional.

Another politician with E-V13 would be Lyndon B. Johnson:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

From Italy Giuseppe Garibaldi:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Garibaldi

Lupriac
06-05-2020, 11:57 AM
I was checking a project on FamilyTreeDNA and I found a sample from a Sunni family from northern Lebanon. They were under E-M35 and when I ran the STR values on nevgen, it predicted them most likely as E-V1515 (although the probability was not too high, 33%). Interestingly, this family claims descent from Salah ad-din. Don't know much about them aside from reading this on the internet. If the claim is strong enough this could mean Saladin was most likely E-M35 as well.

Adamm
06-25-2020, 01:03 PM
Person: Hakim Ziyech
Haplogroup: E-M35 > E-M183 > E-CTS12227 Source: Family members tested
Known as: Professional football player in Europe.

https://i.imgur.com/lngYXo3.png

Farroukh
03-11-2021, 02:47 PM
Person: Robert Menzies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Menzies)
Haplogroup: E-BY10313 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-BY10313/), source: test of the paternal relative
Known as: Australian Prime Minister, who played a central role in the creation of the Liberal Party of Australia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Portrait_Menzies_1950s.jpg

capsian
03-11-2021, 06:24 PM
Person: Robert Menzies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Menzies)
Haplogroup: E-BY10313 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-BY10313/), source: test of the paternal relative
Known as: Australian Prime Minister, who played a central role in the creation of the Liberal Party of Australia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Portrait_Menzies_1950s.jpg

great i was think E-A930

capsian
03-11-2021, 06:25 PM
Some famous E-V13's:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESC6qPJXkAML5c4?format=jpg&name=large

Hitler also E-V13

capsian
03-11-2021, 06:55 PM
Person: Lewis Bayly
Haplogroup:E-FGC18981, source: test of the Grandchildren's
Known as: was a bishop of the Church of England

43815

Dewsloth
03-11-2021, 08:30 PM
Richard Warren (Mayflower Passenger).
He has living patrilineal M35 descendants, but I don't know if they know what subclade, yet.

http://mayflowerhistory.com/warren


All of Richard Warren's children survived to adulthood, married, and had large families: making Richard Warren one of the most common Mayflower passengers to be descended from. Richard Warren's descendants include such notables as Civil War general and President Ulysses S. Grant; President Franklin D. Roosevelt; and Alan B. Shepard, Jr. the first American in space and the fifth person to walk on the moon.

capsian
03-11-2021, 10:37 PM
Richard Warren (Mayflower Passenger).
He has living patrilineal M35 descendants, but I don't know if they know what subclade, yet.

http://mayflowerhistory.com/warren

do you have STR result

Dewsloth
03-11-2021, 11:00 PM
do you have STR result

13 24 14 10 16-18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9-9 11 11 26 14 21 32 16-16-16-17 9 11 19-21 16 12 18 20 31-34 12 9 10 8 15-15 8 11 10 8 12 10 0 23-24 18 11 12 12 15 8 13 22 19 12 14 12 14 11 11 11 11

from https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety?iframe=yresults

Edit, so Nevgen says V13.

capsian
03-11-2021, 11:09 PM
13 24 14 10 16-18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9-9 11 11 26 14 21 32 16-16-16-17 9 11 19-21 16 12 18 20 31-34 12 9 10 8 15-15 8 11 10 8 12 10 0 23-24 18 11 12 12 15 8 13 22 19 12 14 12 14 11 11 11 11

from https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety?iframe=yresults

Edit, so Nevgen says V13.

yes mostly E-V13

capsian
03-11-2021, 11:11 PM
in most under E-L241

capsian
03-11-2021, 11:14 PM
43822

drobbah
03-12-2021, 03:37 AM
Sir Mo Farah the most successful track athlete (4 gold medals in long-distance running) in British Olympic history belongs to the same subclan as me and shares a paternal ancestor 10 generations ago with me.He is probably E-V32 and belongs to my subclade.

Farroukh
03-28-2021, 11:18 AM
Person: 2nd Abami Bibitekerezo (last royal dynasty of Rwanda) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kings_of_Rwanda)
Haplogroup: E-CTS2297 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-CTS2297/), source: tests of paternal clansmen
Known as: Creators of the most centralized kingdoms in the history of Central and East Africa

https://a.radikal.ru/a09/2103/da/5eeb2a03e514.jpg (https://radikal.ru)

Kigeli V Ndahindurwa, the last king (mwami) of Rwanda

Barry Foulks
10-17-2021, 09:13 PM
According to the FTDNA Berkeley Project, the aristocratic Berkeley family, with one of the oldest confirmed male line pedigrees in England, is E-BY9750. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Berkeley?iframe=yresults
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_family

capsian
10-18-2021, 03:06 PM
According to the FTDNA Berkeley Project, the aristocratic Berkeley family, with one of the oldest confirmed male line pedigrees in England, is E-BY9750. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Berkeley?iframe=yresults
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_family

great

Ibericus
10-18-2021, 07:51 PM
According to the FTDNA Berkeley Project, the aristocratic Berkeley family, with one of the oldest confirmed male line pedigrees in England, is E-BY9750. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Berkeley?iframe=yresults
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_family
According to the project there is only one north African under BY9753. He is Tunisian and his surname Belkhiria. I'm not sure if surnames are passed intact from father to son in Tunisia but I could imagine an old French translation along the lines of 'Belkerie'. Interesting.

capsian
10-18-2021, 08:28 PM
According to the project there is only one north African under BY9753. He is Tunisian and his surname Belkhiria. I'm not sure if surnames are passed intact from father to son in Tunisia but I could imagine an old French translation along the lines of 'Belkerie'. Interesting.

Belkhiria are family north african amazigh

Barry Foulks
10-19-2021, 12:41 AM
According to the project there is only one north African under BY9753. He is Tunisian and his surname Belkhiria. I'm not sure if surnames are passed intact from father to son in Tunisia but I could imagine an old French translation along the lines of 'Belkerie'. Interesting.

Can you please show me where you found this Tunisian surnamed Belkhiria?

Ibericus
10-19-2021, 03:50 AM
Can you please show me where you found this Tunisian surnamed Belkhiria?

It's on the Spreadsheet of our project. You can find the link to Google docs here: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-m81/about/background

Ok, here is the direct link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1die-cBnThrGT3ysMnvEl91B6HqdF4eiuH8YBB3vwaZA/edit?pli=1#gid=314601745

He is 1,800 years removed from today's Berkeley's. It's a long shot but still possible that their family names share a common origin.

Barry Foulks
10-19-2021, 01:44 PM
It's on the Spreadsheet of our project. You can find the link to Google docs here: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-m81/about/background

Ok, here is the direct link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1die-cBnThrGT3ysMnvEl91B6HqdF4eiuH8YBB3vwaZA/edit?pli=1#gid=314601745

He is 1,800 years removed from today's Berkeley's. It's a long shot but still possible that their family names share a common origin.

Thank You, he found me first (lol)! Here are some of his comments to me- "Berkeley are positif to E-BY9750 under E-BY9753 but I am not and we are separated from roman period but we should verify E-BY9750 in other individuals from my region especially the names beginnig with Berk and Belk are very common there is even a clan in a town near us called oulad Berk and apparently they identify themselves as Zenatis...

Barry Foulks something to consider too that E-BY9753 is totally foreign to Tunisia we are the only ones bearing it until now and apparently we are of almohad tribal stock especially E-FT31300 (the upper mutation) is only found in Jemmel and the region around Marrakesh".

Apparently his lineage originated in Morocco then. SNP Tracker has the Berkeley E-BY9750 travelling from Morocco, where it was still E-BY0753, through Spain, then Brittany, and eventually England, though of course this is only a projection using samples.

Personally, I can "relate" to this, as I am E-Z5009 > E-FT190481 > E-FT190552, with English ancestry also, and have been told that variations of my "Foulks" surname means "beautiful" in Morocco, and has also been found in southern France, at Aveyron. My Quaker ancestor Thomas Foulks immigrated from Derbyshire, England, in 1677. To show my "six degrees of separation" from the Berkeleys, John Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley of Stratton, was a co-proprietor of New Jersey from 1664-1674, when he sold his share to a group of Quakers, one of whom, William Penn, a friend of my immigrant ancestor Thomas Foulks, helped to get him appointed as a Commissioner of Lands for the Province of West New Jersey in 1677, before Thomas left England.

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 01:47 PM
According to the FTDNA Howard Project, Sir Thomas Howard (1443-1524), https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Thomas_Howard,_2nd_Duke_of... Lord High Treasurer, Earl Marshal of England, 2nd Duke of Norfolk, and Earl of Surrey, was E-M35. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/howarddnaproject... The Howards are the Premier Dukes and Earls of the Realm in the English peerage, with a fanciful (?) descent from the Mercian Hereward the Wake. Sir Thomas Howard was the father-in-law of Princess Anne of York (a daughter of King Edward IV), the grandfather of both Queen Anne Boleyn and Queen Catherine Howard, and the great-grandfather of Queen Elizabeth I. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_family 47120

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 01:50 PM
E-M35 appears to have made an inroad into the medieval English aristocracy.

Ibericus
10-20-2021, 02:05 PM
Thank You, he found me first (lol)! Here are some of his comments to me- "Berkeley are positif to E-BY9750 under E-BY9753 but I am not and we are separated from roman period but we should verify E-BY9750 in other individuals from my region especially the names beginnig with Berk and Belk are very common there is even a clan in a town near us called oulad Berk and apparently they identify themselves as Zenatis...

Barry Foulks something to consider too that E-BY9753 is totally foreign to Tunisia we are the only ones bearing it until now and apparently we are of almohad tribal stock especially E-FT31300 (the upper mutation) is only found in Jemmel and the region around Marrakesh".

Apparently his lineage originated in Morocco then. SNP Tracker has the Berkeley E-BY9750 travelling from Morocco, where it was still E-BY0753, through Spain, then Brittany, and eventually England, though of course this is only a projection using samples.

Personally, I can "relate" to this, as I am E-Z5009 > E-FT190481 > E-FT190552, with English ancestry also, and have been told that variations of my "Foulks" surname means "beautiful" in Morocco, and has also been found in southern France, at Aveyron. My Quaker ancestor Thomas Foulks immigrated from Derbyshire, England, in 1677. To show my "six degrees of separation" from the Berkeleys, John Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley of Stratton, was a co-proprietor of New Jersey from 1664-1674, when he sold his share to a group of Quakers, one of whom, William Penn, a friend of my immigrant ancestor Thomas Foulks, helped to get him appointed as a Commissioner of Lands for the Province of West New Jersey in 1677, before Thomas left England.

Hey, thanks for sharing. I really enjoy this wild speculations.

I did some research and noticed that Yfull has BY9753 with a TMRCA of 1250ybp (versus 1800ybp from the E-M81 project). If Yfull is right then it just happens to coincide with the Umayyad invasion of Gaul, battle of Poitiers and so on...

I noticed that YF75025 (19686 on FTDNA) seems to claim Huguenot ancestry from the region of Poitiers and Huguenots are notorious crypto-muslims and descendants of Muslims so it would make sense.

It would be interesting to know if there were any "Berk"-sounding Berber commanders or rulers participating in the invasion of France.

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 02:37 PM
Mr. Belkhiria also added "I think BY9753 and other subclades under E-M81 and E-L19 in northern europe are derived from roman sodiers / officers who graduated to local rulers by time and than absorbed by anglo-saxon tribes. It is clearly seen that the amazigh tribe wich contains BY9753 has some melitaristic aspect and contributed in almohad expansion too. Apparently an unknown region from Morocco or Algeria was favored by romans for soldiering people. That region will be discovered in coming years and there is a high probability E-BY9753 and E-FT190481 originated from it."

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 02:46 PM
The aristocratic Berkeley family were considered to be Anglo-Saxon, before the Norman Conquest- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_family

Ibericus
10-20-2021, 02:47 PM
Mr. Belkhiria also added "I think BY9753 and other subclades under E-M81 and E-L19 in northern europe are derived from roman sodiers / officers who graduated to local rulers by time and than absorbed by anglo-saxon tribes. It is clearly seen that the amazigh tribe wich contains BY9753 has some melitaristic aspect and contributed in almohad expansion too. Apparently an unknown region from Morocco or Algeria was favored by romans for soldiering people. That region will be discovered in coming years and there is a high probability E-BY9753 and E-FT190481 originated from it."

I respect his opinion but I think the Romans did not bring BY9753 to Britain. Firstly because the Berkeley's are of Norman origin and secondly because there is a French Huguenot sample. This suggests that it arrived in France during the time of Al-Andalus and then it crossed to Britain with the 1066 Norman invasion.

Ibericus
10-20-2021, 03:13 PM
By the way have you noticed this?
47122

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 06:13 PM
By the way have you noticed this?
47122
Yes, what I figured out was that a Foulks got a Horner's wife pregnant about 300 years ago, and that line of Horners are really Foulks!

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 06:33 PM
Ibericus said, "I did some research and noticed that Yfull has BY9753 with a TMRCA of 1250ybp (versus 1800ybp from the E-M81 project)" SNP Tracker has BY9753 at 94 CE in Spain, and Phylogeographer at 250 AD in what is now Tunisia, both Roman eras of course. So whom do we believe?

Ibericus
10-20-2021, 07:21 PM
Ibericus said, "I did some research and noticed that Yfull has BY9753 with a TMRCA of 1250ybp (versus 1800ybp from the E-M81 project)" SNP Tracker has BY9753 at 94 CE in Spain, and Phylogeographer at 250 AD in what is now Tunisia, both Roman eras of course. So whom do we believe?

Ok, challenge accepted. I made my own SNP-tracker-style map. Later I will make for more for other branches. Of course these are just my highly speculative theories.
https://i.ibb.co/wzX417m/IMG-20211020-211242.png

Barry Foulks
10-20-2021, 08:12 PM
Ok, challenge accepted. I made my own SNP-tracker-style map. Later I will make for more for other branches. Of course these are just my highly speculative theories.
https://i.ibb.co/wzX417m/IMG-20211020-211242.png

Good job, even though you are using the one timeline that is the odd one out from the rest. Also, as mentioned previously, the English
Berkeleys were considered to be Anglo-Saxon, not Norman, with one of the oldest confirmed pedigrees in England BEFORE the Conquest. That YFull TMRCA at 1250 ybp for BY9753 is the average, it could be as far back as 1800 ybp, aligning it with the other timelines mentioned previously also.

capsian
10-20-2021, 09:10 PM
Ok, challenge accepted. I made my own SNP-tracker-style map. Later I will make for more for other branches. Of course these are just my highly speculative theories.
https://i.ibb.co/wzX417m/IMG-20211020-211242.png

do not rush because the update is not reliable in age

capsian
10-20-2021, 09:14 PM
I respect his opinion but I think the Romans did not bring BY9753 to Britain. Firstly because the Berkeley's are of Norman origin and secondly because there is a French Huguenot sample. This suggests that it arrived in France during the time of Al-Andalus and then it crossed to Britain with the 1066 Norman invasion.

soory Norman not have haplogroup E-L19
so Roman empire did bring BY9753 ects branch L19 to Britain

capsian
10-20-2021, 09:17 PM
According to the FTDNA Howard Project, Sir Thomas Howard (1443-1524), https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Thomas_Howard,_2nd_Duke_of... Lord High Treasurer, Earl Marshal of England, 2nd Duke of Norfolk, and Earl of Surrey, was E-M35. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/howarddnaproject... The Howards are the Premier Dukes and Earls of the Realm in the English peerage, with a fanciful (?) descent from the Mercian Hereward the Wake. Sir Thomas Howard was the father-in-law of Princess Anne of York (a daughter of King Edward IV), the grandfather of both Queen Anne Boleyn and Queen Catherine Howard, and the great-grandfather of Queen Elizabeth I. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_family 47120

DO you have Y-STR

Riverman
10-20-2021, 09:22 PM
soory Norman not have haplogroup E-L19
so Roman empire did bring BY9753 ects branch L19 to Britain

Unless you have the right samples, you can't say when and where it was brought to Britain. Could as well have been brought by the Normans, even if it originally spread with the Romans before to Iberia or France.

capsian
10-20-2021, 09:23 PM
ok barry thanks i find Y-STR in project FTDNA Howard here's Y-STR result
13 24 13 10 17-18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 8-9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14-16-17-17 9 11 19-21 16 12 17 19 31-33 11 10 10 8 15-15 8 11 10 8 12 10 0 24-24 18 11 12 12 16 8 11 22 18 12 13 12 14 11 11 11 11 33 15 8 15 11 23 27 19 13 11 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 10 13 18 14 12 11 17 16 20 12 23 13 13 15 23 14 21 18 13 14 17 9 13 11
47137
The family under Haplgroup E-M35<V68<M78<Z1919<L618<V13 this Branch european from south east euroup

capsian
10-20-2021, 09:24 PM
Unless you have the right samples, you can't say when and where it was brought to Britain. Could as well have been brought by the Normans, even if it originally spread with the Romans before to Iberia or France.

but the hypothesis of Roman origin remains valid more

Barry Foulks
10-26-2021, 07:56 PM
Franz Kafka, a German-speaking Bohemian novelist and short-story writer, who is widely regarded as one of the major figures of 20th-century literature probably belonged to E-Y161794, a Jewish branch of haplogroup E-M81, based on the Y-DNA test of another Kafka from Czechia at FTDNA. https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml?fbclid=IwAR2qbM7K0D-BIjzuv93H-044pjF2jOuG2NnWDkZqjnF9m1Ptk3ioSIvRbjI#famous_peop le

47197Kafka