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Farroukh
04-18-2020, 11:48 AM
Person: Ramesses III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_III)
Haplotype: DYS19 DYS385a-b DYS389I-II DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS437 DYS438 DYS448 DYS456 Y-GATA-H4
19 20-20 13-33 21 8 17 8 14 10 20 13 13
Haplogroup: predicted as E-M2 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M2/) in 2012 (Athey's predictor (http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5b/hapest5.htm)), source: test of remnants (https://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268)

UPD: As of Nov. 2020, Nevgen (https://nevgen.org/) predicts it as E-PH2818 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-PH2818/).

Known as: second Pharaoh of the Twentieth Dynasty in Ancient Egypt, the last great monarch of the New Kingdom

https://a.radikal.ru/a25/2004/d8/ba6a7ffb44dat.jpg (https://a.radikal.ru/a25/2004/d8/ba6a7ffb44da.jpg)

The Saite
04-18-2020, 07:34 PM
(Hawass 2012) DYS Markers of Ramses's Results is More likely to be indicating of an E1b1b Than E1b1a .
This is specially Evidenced by the quite Usual DYS438=10 in E1b1b Branches , And the high DYS385a/b values (Something Common for E-V22 Specifically) .
When Taking in Count the other Values Combination , It could be an Indicative of a Basal Branch somewhere Under V22 (Like Abusir's basal and rare Mutation at an Early Position beneath the tree).
The Author's relying on Whit Athey Predictor in this case is actually Problematic with It's poor Accuracy recorded Sometimes .

Farroukh
04-19-2020, 10:38 AM
https://c.radikal.ru/c09/2004/12/7297570a737bt.jpg (https://c.radikal.ru/c09/2004/12/7297570a737b.jpg)

Urasin's prediction settings

The Saite
04-19-2020, 09:05 PM
https://c.radikal.ru/c09/2004/12/7297570a737bt.jpg (https://c.radikal.ru/c09/2004/12/7297570a737b.jpg)

Urasin's prediction settings

Well, Nowadays There are Several Cases of DYS390<23 recorded For E1b1b Samples , and this is improving the Probability Percentage for E1b1b .
Even that DYS19=19 still stands for E1b1a favor , Yet Worth to note that Specifically E-V22 Positive Samples Enjoys a High DYS19 Value than any other E1b1b clade (reaching 16 btw) While Normal E1b1b is 12/13 .
So likely that a Clearer Test Would Clarify Something very like to Abusir's basal results up .

Farroukh
04-20-2020, 02:24 AM
The only way is to test his DNA for YSNPs. All predictions are speculative tricks due to homoplasy

ADW_1981
05-04-2020, 08:47 PM
(Hawass 2012) DYS Markers of Ramses's Results is More likely to be indicating of an E1b1b Than E1b1a .
This is specially Evidenced by the quite Usual DYS438=10 in E1b1b Branches , And the high DYS385a/b values (Something Common for E-V22 Specifically) .
When Taking in Count the other Values Combination , It could be an Indicative of a Basal Branch somewhere Under V22 (Like Abusir's basal and rare Mutation at an Early Position beneath the tree).
The Author's relying on Whit Athey Predictor in this case is actually Problematic with It's poor Accuracy recorded Sometimes .

I've always wondered why haplotype predictors are sometimes considered as accurate when achieving a certain result, but then haplotypes are discarded as "impossible" in other circumstances, not sure for politically correct reasons or otherwise. Despite the fact we have at least 1 Egyptian mummy who is confirmed R-M269, and another late Bronze Age Ashkelon R-M269 who had some association to Egyptian court if I'm not mistaken. Yet everyone said an R1b result for King Tut was impossible, I'm just not seeing why.

(On topic) Most likely this haplotype is some form of E1b, despite not being close to any living member today. (if my recollection serves)

Farroukh
05-05-2020, 08:58 AM
we have st least 1 Egyptian mummy who is confirmed R-M269
Now we have at least 2 Egyptian R1b-M269 mummies. Second one is R1b1a1b (eq. to V1636 or FT40455)

Farroukh
11-03-2020, 08:01 AM
(Hawass 2012) DYS Markers of Ramses's Results is More likely to be indicating of an E1b1b Than E1b1a .

Saite, it seems you were right. See my post (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20220-E-M96-aDNA-and-Egyptian-mummies&p=716707&viewfull=1#post716707).