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19scohen
05-25-2020, 03:49 AM
Hello everyone. I'm Ashkenazi Jewish and decided to upload my AncestryDNA results (100% Ashkenazi from Ukraine, Moldova and Romania) to LivingDNA, because I know they don't have an Ashkenazi category and I was interested in seeing the breakdown. Here's what I got:

Near East--56.2%

North Turkey 32%
South Caucasus 16.5%
Arabia 7.8%

Europe--41.2%

Europe South-29%
South Italy 13%
Cyprus 9.8%
Tuscany 6.2%

Europe East-12.2%
Northeast Europe-12.2%

North Africa 2.6%

I think it's accurate for the most part, but I'm a little bit confused on why there is so much Turkish and Armenian. The Khazar theory is pseudoscience and since the actual Khazars mixed with Ashkenazim and they were a small group compared to Ashkenazim in Europe, whatever DNA they had would probably be really small and insignificant in Ashkenazi DNA today. I found out that other Ashkenazim took the LivingDNA test and got mostly Levantine for their Near Eastern component. Is it possible that they're misreading some of my Levantine as Turkish/Armenian?

I'll post some of my GEDMatch results here too. I can post any other GEDMatch results, but I'll post Eurogenes K13 for now, because I think that's the best test:

EUROGENES K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.5
2 West_Med 19.34
3 North_Atlantic 16.67
4 Baltic 12.71
5 West_Asian 8.53
6 Red_Sea 6.24
7 South_Asian 1.23
8 East_Asian 1.1
9 Siberian 1.01
10 Northeast_African 0.95
11 Sub-Saharan 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 4.15
2 East_Sicilian 6.25
3 Central_Greek 7.27
4 West_Sicilian 7.6
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.78
6 South_Italian 9
7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.25
8 Algerian_Jewish 11.01
9 Italian_Jewish 11.18
10 Sephardic_Jewish 11.74
11 Tuscan 12.13
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.67
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.12
14 Bulgarian 15.65
15 Romanian 17.69
16 North_Italian 17.97
17 Cyprian 18.56
18 Serbian 21.41
19 Lebanese_Muslim 21.57
20 Tunisian 21.99

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.527009


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +25% Tunisian_Jewish +25% Ukrainian @ 2.619281


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Serbian @ 2.357940
2 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Romanian @ 2.444469
3 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.510953
4 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Moldavian @ 2.603855
5 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.619281
6 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Serbian @ 2.636717
7 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.637380
8 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian @ 2.657092
9 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.687984
10 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + South_Polish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.699003
11 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.699529
12 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.736144
13 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.739045
14 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.745497
15 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian @ 2.753712
16 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Moldavian @ 2.758272
17 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.775761
18 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + South_Polish @ 2.783221
19 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.794930
20 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.803445

passenger
05-25-2020, 04:06 AM
Hello everyone. I'm Ashkenazi Jewish and decided to upload my AncestryDNA results (100% Ashkenazi from Ukraine, Moldova and Romania) to LivingDNA, because I know they don't have an Ashkenazi category and I was interested in seeing the breakdown. Here's what I got:

Near East--56.2%

North Turkey 32%
South Caucasus 16.5%
Arabia 7.8%

Europe--41.2%

Europe South-29%
South Italy 13%
Cyprus 9.8%
Tuscany 6.2%

Europe East-12.2%
Northeast Europe-12.2%

North Africa 2.6%

I think it's accurate for the most part, but I'm a little bit confused on why there is so much Turkish and Armenian. The Khazar theory is pseudoscience and since the actual Khazars mixed with Ashkenazim and they were a small group compared to Ashkenazim in Europe, whatever DNA they had would probably be really small and insignificant in Ashkenazi DNA today. I found out that other Ashkenazim took the LivingDNA test and got mostly Levantine for their Near Eastern component. Is it possible that they're misreading some of my Levantine as Turkish/Armenian?

I'll post some of my GEDMatch results here too. I can post any other GEDMatch results, but I'll post Eurogenes K13 for now, because I think that's the best test:

EUROGENES K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.5
2 West_Med 19.34
3 North_Atlantic 16.67
4 Baltic 12.71
5 West_Asian 8.53
6 Red_Sea 6.24
7 South_Asian 1.23
8 East_Asian 1.1
9 Siberian 1.01
10 Northeast_African 0.95
11 Sub-Saharan 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 4.15
2 East_Sicilian 6.25
3 Central_Greek 7.27
4 West_Sicilian 7.6
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.78
6 South_Italian 9
7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.25
8 Algerian_Jewish 11.01
9 Italian_Jewish 11.18
10 Sephardic_Jewish 11.74
11 Tuscan 12.13
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.67
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.12
14 Bulgarian 15.65
15 Romanian 17.69
16 North_Italian 17.97
17 Cyprian 18.56
18 Serbian 21.41
19 Lebanese_Muslim 21.57
20 Tunisian 21.99

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.527009


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +25% Tunisian_Jewish +25% Ukrainian @ 2.619281


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Serbian @ 2.357940
2 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Romanian @ 2.444469
3 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.510953
4 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Moldavian @ 2.603855
5 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.619281
6 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Serbian @ 2.636717
7 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.637380
8 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian @ 2.657092
9 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.687984
10 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + South_Polish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.699003
11 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.699529
12 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.736144
13 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.739045
14 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.745497
15 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian @ 2.753712
16 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Moldavian @ 2.758272
17 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.775761
18 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + South_Polish @ 2.783221
19 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.794930
20 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Croatian + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.803445

I wouldn't read too much into it. LivingDNA is pretty bad for most people who aren't NW European, and even then I'm not sure how good it is. Your Eurogenes K13 looks fairly standard for an Ashkenazi, except your combined North Atlantic and Baltic may be a bit high, which is probably why the oracle has you at 25% Eastern European. Your Asian ancestry also seems a bit high, especially South Asian.