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StrandsofHistory
06-10-2020, 12:40 AM
As per family history, I am fully Ashkenazi Jewish. My 23andme results indicate 98.8% Ashkenazi Jewish, and 1.1% Broadly European. My gedmatch results tell an interesting story - namely, I found that the Eurogenes calculators did not provide as strong a result as the dodecad, and one of the world calculators did the best. I found out that not only am I likely less european than I thought, I'm also barely eastern european (and instead more western european)

I'd love to hear from other Jews about their results as well, and any advice on figuring out more about my recent + distant ancestry/nationalities of family, as well as figuring out roughly how much near east/middle eastern descent I have.

Paternal haplogroup: E-M215; Maternal haplogroup: V7

Gedmatch Calculators I tried (every place I have been told I may have heritage from): Eurogenes K-13, Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15, MDLP K23b, Dodecad V3, Dodecad K7b, and MDLP world (with the last 3 being the strongest match numbers-wise).

Short info from each test (will post the full thing if requested), with only the top few results from each category included:



Eurogenes K13 4-ancestors oracle
1 East_Med 34.00 ... 2 North_Atlantic 19.09 .... 3 West_Med 18.01 ... 4 West_Asian 10.15 .... 5 Red_Sea 7.75 ..... 6 Baltic 7.30 ..... 7 Northeast_African 1.26

(1 pop)1 Ashkenazi @ 5.165201 ..... 2 East_Sicilian @ 7.365331 .... 3 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.017476
(I assume 5 is pretty good - but some of my results on other calculators were basically exactly at a '1', thus much stronger)

(2 pop, 3 pop) 50% North_Italian +50% Palestinian @ 4.133669 .... 50% Ashkenazi +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.262302

(4 pop) Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.216298 .... Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Portuguese @ 2.235578 ..... Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.262302

Eurogene K13, regular (not 4) oracle
Ashkenazi 4.59 .... East_Sicilian 6.47 .... Sephardic_Jewish 7.07 .... Italian_Jewish 7.14

Mixed mode population sharing
(I'm definitely mostly ashkenazi ,not sephardic? Though my maternal haplogroup is linked to the Sami of Finland/Sweden -V7- and my paternal haplogroup to north african/sephardic areas - E-M215)
87.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 12.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.28
87.2% Italian_Jewish + 12.8% North_Swedish @ 2.34


Eurogene EUtest V2 K15
(1 pop) 1 West_Sicilian @ 7.681046. (A pretty weak match, comparatively)

(4 pop) French_Basque + Greek + Saudi + Turkish @ 1.9355282
French_Basque + Greek + Turkish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.7782373
French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Saudi + Turkish @ 2.7789504
Azeri + French_Basque + Greek + Saudi @ 2.8484585 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Turkish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.855746
This includes 0 of my known backgrounds, and I don't know of any heritage in any of these places - just seems very strange. And it's much less strong than dodecad/world?

Regular (not 4) oracle results:
1 West_Sicilian 7.04 .... 2 Italian_Abruzzo 7.17 .... 3 East_Sicilian 7.42 ..... 4 Ashkenazi 7.88
Mixed Mode Population Sharing: 1 65% Syrian + 35% French_Basque @ 3.82
(I am definitely not 65% Syrian. There's no way this is right.)


Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Mediterranean 33.55 .... 2 West_Asian 20.15 ... 3 West_European 19.93 ... 4 Southwest_Asian 14.43 .... 5 East_European 5.92 ... 6 East_African 1.82 .... 7 Northwest_African 1.52 ... 8 South_Asian 1.27

Using 1 population approximation, top 2 results *This is a great fit for what I've been told*:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 4.9162222
Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 5.672788

BUT when we go to the other numbers, it gets weird: (2 pop, 3 pop) 1 50% N_Italian_Dodecad +50% Syrians_Behar @ 4.869880 ... 1 50% Samaritians_Behar +25% Spanish_Dodecad +25% Slovenian_Xing @ 2.072540

(4 pop) 1 Bedouin_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + N._European_Xing @ 1.4987932
French_Basque_HGDP + Jordanians_19_Behar + Romanians_14_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.6309023
Georgia_Jews_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Slovenian_Xing @ 1.6645214
Bedouin_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + Argyll_1000 Genomes @ 1.7367235
Bedouin_HGDP + German_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.785321


Given these results, I tried MDLP k23b next, 4-Ancestors Oracle - this was somewhat stronger, but still not as close as dodecad or the MDLP World
1 Caucasian 34.86 .... 2 European_Early_Farmers 21.25 ... 3 Near_East 13.84 ... 4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.48 ... 5 South_Central_Asian 8.74 .... 6 North_African 5.83
(What does this admix mean? I've heard this calculator gives one of the most accurate admix readings?)

(1 pop) 1 Sicilian_West_ @ 4.818871 ... 2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.185943 ... 3 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.476774 ... 4 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.786602 ... 5 Cretan_ @ 6.909686

(2 pop, 3 pop) 1 50% Italian_Piedmont_ +50% Lebanese_ @ 3.345132 .... 1 50% Cretan_ +25% Portugese_ +25% Syrian_ @ 2.158256

(4 pop)1 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Kosovar_ + Portugese_ + Samaritian_ @ 1.3233082
Georgian_Jew_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Samaritian_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.3447933
Bulgarian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + Samaritian_ + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 1.3646444
Iranian_Jew_ + Kosovar_ + Samaritian_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 1.3671845
Iraqi_Jew_ + Kosovar_ + Portugese_ + Samaritian_ @ 1.402817
Again, seems kinda unlikely, though the numbers are better - but still not the best


Dodecad K7b 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Southern 36.78 ... 2 Atlantic_Baltic 35.16 ... 3 West_Asian 24.86 ... 4 East_Asian 1.12 ... 5 South_Asian 1.07

(1 pop - WOW these 1 pop numbers are far stronger than European 1-pop) 1 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.039870 ... 2 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.352299 ... 3 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 2.933944 ... 4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 3.033664 ... 5 Greek_Dodecad @ 6.916667

(2 pop, 3 pop)1 50% Baleares_1000Genomes +50% Druze_HGDP @ 1.750927 ...
1 50% Ashkenazi_Dodecad +25% French_Basque_HGDP +25% Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 1.156037
***(Any chance this one is accurate? Numbers aren't quite as good as some other readings but fits more with what I know and is still pretty close to 1?)***

(4 pop - odd results, and while they're pretty good numbers-wise, MDLP world oracle-4 has even better numbers that also fit better?)
Assyrian_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.8102392
Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.8560583
Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + Sardinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.8647514
Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Galicia_1000Genomes + Sardinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.9143385
Cataluna_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Lebanese_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 0.9223556
Cataluna_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Lebanese_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 0.927992


Surprisingly, this "MDLP WORLD" calculator had the 'best' numbers- the numbers for the regular Oracle mode were good, and the ones for oracle-4 were really really good, I think? (less than .8 for the top result) Does this seem likely to be the accurate one? What does it mean about my ethnicity if MDLP world > Dodecad > Eurogenes?

MDLP world (removed all below 1%)
1 South_and_West_European 37.68 .. 2 Middle_East 26.83 .. 3 Caucaus_Parsia 18.36 .. 4 North_and_East_European 13.7
(If I'm reading this correctly, this means I'm basically 50% european, 27% middle eastern, and... what the heck is caucaus-parsia??)

(regular oracle - not oracle 4)
(1 pop) 1 Jew_Romania 3.9 ... 2 Sicilian 8.01 ... 3 Ashkenazim 8.11

(mixed mode pop sharing)
1 93.1% Jew_Romania 6.9% Jew_Yemen 1.25
2 92.7% Jew_Romania 7.3% Bedouin 1.31
3 93.3% Jew_Romania 6.7% Saudi 1.33

Oracle 4 for the MDLP world
(1 pop) 1 Jew_Romania @ 4.255422 ... 2 Ashkenazim @ 8.298324 ... 3 Sicilian @ 8.8270254 Jew_France @ 9.373415 ... 5 Jew_Italia @ 9.521296 ... 6 Ashkenazim_V @ 9.895504 ...

(2 pop, 3 pop) 1 50% Jew_Libya +50% Gagauz @ 2.670793 .... 1 50% Jew_France +25% Druze +25% Czech @ 1.549186

(4 pop)1 Bosnian + Jew**_Yemen +** Adygei + Sardinian @ 0.757367
2 Jew_Yemen + Kumyk + Sardinian + Croatian @ 0.839085
3 Bosnian + Jew_Yemen + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 0.841769
4 Samaritian + Jew_Romania + Jew_Romania + Swiss @ 0.870346
5 Samaritian + Lebanese + Montenegrin + Spaniard @ 0.885835
6 Samaritian + Ashkenazim_V + Bulgarian + Sicilian @ 0.950142
7 Samaritian + Lebanese + Spaniard + Macedonian @ 0.952082
8 Jew_Yemen + Greek_Azov + Italian_North + Kosovar @ 0.974675
9 Cypriot + Latvian_V + Jew_France + Jew_Morocco @ 0.990775
10 Cypriot + Latvian_V + Jew_Italia + Jew_Morocco @ 0.999413
11 Jew_Yemen + Greek_Azov + Kosovar + Provancal @ 1.000481
12 Samaritian + Jew_Romania + Jew_Romania + Provancal @ 1.001139
13 Samaritian + Jew_Romania + Serbian + Sicilian @ 1.019040
14 Jew_Yemen + Adygei + Sardinian + Croatian @ 1.025965
15 Bosnian + Jew_Yemen + Balkarian + Sardinian @ 1.056478
16 Bosnian + Jew_Yemen + Kabardinian + Sardinian @ 1.068458
17 Jew_Yemen + Georgian + Hungarian + Sardinian @ 1.071559
18 Samaritian + Lebanese + Montenegrin + Iberian @ 1.075426
19 Jew_Yemen + Greek_Azov + Swiss + Kosovar @ 1.080963
20 Samaritian + Hungarian + Greek_Center + Sephardim @ 1.093122

passenger
06-10-2020, 03:29 AM
I don't know how much it'll help, but just for a point of reference these are my mom's results for the calculators you used. She's 3/4 Ashkenazi (South/Central Ukraine and Belarus) and 1/4 Sephardic (Turkey). Probably the quickest way to find other Jewish GEDmatch results to compare is just to look through your own DNA matches on GEDmatch and run their kit numbers through the calculators using a separate tab. You should have hundreds of examples right there. You can also search through the threads here and you'll find a bunch of examples, but it might take you longer.

K-13 4 ancestors:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.28
2 West_Med 19.79
3 West_Asian 13.76
4 North_Atlantic 9.71
5 Baltic 9.59
6 Red_Sea 8.61
7 Sub-Saharan 1.15
8 Siberian 1.11


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi @ 7.433602
2 Algerian_Jewish @ 8.711412
3 East_Sicilian @ 9.248758
4 South_Italian @ 9.967844
5 Sephardic_Jewish @ 10.002925
6 Italian_Jewish @ 10.361045
7 Central_Greek @ 10.461552
8 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.074839
9 Libyan_Jewish @ 11.641785
10 Cyprian @ 11.886919
11 West_Sicilian @ 14.488507
12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.372464
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 15.853328
14 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.231747
15 Syrian @ 16.510050
16 Samaritan @ 17.924990
17 Jordanian @ 18.562115
18 Palestinian @ 18.984091
19 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.635693
20 Lebanese_Druze @ 20.377138

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Samaritan @ 3.176553


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Samaritan +25% Samaritan @ 3.176553


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Moldavian + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.046305
2 Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian + Samaritan @ 3.085198
3 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Samaritan @ 3.127334
4 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Samaritan + Serbian @ 3.146070
5 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Romanian + Samaritan @ 3.168491
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.176553
7 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Samaritan @ 3.183147
8 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Moldavian + Samaritan @ 3.264418
9 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan @ 3.316752
10 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian @ 3.378455
11 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Serbian @ 3.383978
12 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.404717
13 Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian @ 3.427504
14 Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.500978
15 Bulgarian + Samaritan + Samaritan + West_Sicilian @ 3.506241
16 Algerian_Jewish + Samaritan + Samaritan + Serbian @ 3.511511
17 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.516846
18 Italian_Jewish + Moldavian + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.523555
19 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.532758
20 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan @ 3.533227

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.01
2 West_Med 17.01
3 West_Asian 14.91
4 Red_Sea 10.66
5 North_Sea 9.36
6 Eastern_Euro 5.91
7 Atlantic 5.22
8 Baltic 5.02


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi @ 7.514307
2 East_Sicilian @ 10.076062
3 Central_Greek @ 10.512845
4 Italian_Jewish @ 11.337645
5 South_Italian @ 11.645166
6 Sephardic_Jewish @ 12.226504
7 Algerian_Jewish @ 12.814774
8 Libyan_Jewish @ 13.217508
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.251834
10 Greek_Thessaly @ 14.345089
11 Tunisian_Jewish @ 14.837801
12 Cyprian @ 15.171394
13 West_Sicilian @ 15.226998
14 Greek @ 15.867065
15 Syrian @ 16.728535
16 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.575344
17 Jordanian @ 19.653934
18 Tuscan @ 19.809334
19 Turkish @ 19.889339
20 Samaritan @ 20.436241

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Syrian @ 6.392465


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Samaritan @ 5.822291


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Sardinian + Tabassaran + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.618661
2 Ashkenazi + Lezgin + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.816215
3 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Samaritan @ 5.822291
4 Bedouin + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 5.910285
5 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Samaritan @ 5.965332
6 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian @ 5.971621
7 Greek_Thessaly + Lezgin + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.976778
8 Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian + Tabassaran + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.991774
9 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + Tabassaran + Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.026724
10 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Syrian @ 6.044226
11 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + Saudi + Tabassaran @ 6.064536
12 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Syrian @ 6.077183
13 Armenian + Moldavian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.097006
14 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Syrian @ 6.098732
15 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Syrian @ 6.141679
16 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Cyprian @ 6.172298
17 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Lebanese_Christian @ 6.196435
18 Algerian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.237141
19 Algerian + Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.248232
20 Georgian_Jewish + Moldavian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.254622

Dodecad V3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 34.67
2 West_Asian 24.01
3 West_European 14.26
4 Southwest_Asian 13.23
5 Northwest_African 5.21
6 East_European 4.68
7 East_African 1.93


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 5.087208
2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 5.603079
3 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 6.328258
4 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 11.335728
5 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 11.361376
6 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 13.189899
7 S_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.983566
8 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 14.469551
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 15.000510
10 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.211750
11 Tuscan_Xing @ 17.949257
12 Tuscan_Henn @ 18.788403
13 TSI_HapMap @ 19.128679
14 Cypriots_Behar @ 19.842569
15 Lebanese_Behar @ 20.232824
16 Palestinian_HGDP @ 20.307087
17 Turkish_Dodecad @ 20.975531
18 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 21.102339
19 Tuscan_HGDP @ 21.398741
20 Samaritians_Behar @ 21.911833

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar +50% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 3.370908


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.891750


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.570319
2 Assyrian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad + Egypt_Henn @ 2.781260
3 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Libya_Henn @ 2.800527
4 Greek_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Tuscan_Xing @ 2.807136
5 Assyrian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Libya_Henn @ 2.862300
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.891750
7 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Lebanese_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.899858
8 Greek_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.948501
9 S_Italian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Libya_Henn + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.950964
10 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Jordanians_19_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.957903
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.976303
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Egypt_Henn @ 3.001773
13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Egypt_Henn @ 3.006812
14 S_Italian_Dodecad + TSI_HapMap + Turkish_Dodecad + Libya_Henn @ 3.032391
15 Sicilian_Dodecad + TSI_HapMap + Turkish_Dodecad + Libya_Henn @ 3.056551
16 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Libya_Henn + Tuscan_Henn @ 3.073034
17 Greek_Dodecad + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Tuscan_Xing @ 3.075987
18 Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Libya_Henn + Tuscan_Henn @ 3.084549
19 Greek_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + TSI_HapMap @ 3.089872
20 Greek_Dodecad + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 3.091924


MDLP K23b:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.38
2 European_Early_Farmers 15.21
3 Near_East 14.73
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.75
5 North_African 11.69
6 South_Central_Asian 5.28
7 Arctic 1.18


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 9.709517
2 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.717335
3 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 9.967773
4 Sicilian_East_ @ 10.267958
5 Italian_Jew_ @ 10.467240
6 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 10.554640
7 Romanian_Jew_ @ 10.758420
8 French_Jew_ @ 10.876870
9 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 11.003489
10 Ashkenazi_ @ 11.180922
11 Syrian_Jew_ @ 11.620279
12 Maltese_ @ 11.692579
13 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 11.873847
14 Sicilian_West_ @ 11.933068
15 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 11.988554
16 Italian_South_ @ 12.273319
17 Tunisian_Jew_ @ 12.298838
18 Sicilian_Center_ @ 12.649905
19 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 12.719516
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 12.932480

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Tunisian_Jew_ @ 6.016259


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Christian_Arabs_Israel_ +25% Finn_West_ +25% Libyan_Jew_ @ 3.637771


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croat_BH_ + Samaritian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.644665
2 Croat_BH_ + Lebanese_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.705538
3 Bosnian_ + Lebanese_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.782690
4 Bosnian_ + Samaritian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.788286
5 Croat_BH_ + Lebanese_Muslim_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.823852
6 Bosnian_ + Lebanese_Muslim_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.889955
7 Czech_ + Lebanese_Christian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.908982
8 Hungarian_Budapest_ + Lebanese_Christian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.942514
9 Croat_ + Lebanese_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.949367
10 Lebanese_Christian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Ukrainian_West_ @ 2.961552
11 Lebanese_ + Serb_BH_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 2.986526
12 Lebanese_Christian_ + Slovak_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.004182
13 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Moksha_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.007179
14 Croat_ + Samaritian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.008220
15 Croat_BH_ + Lebanese_Christian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.022693
16 Croat_BH_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Samaritian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.034498
17 Croat_ + Lebanese_Muslim_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.038004
18 Samaritian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Ukrainian_West_ @ 3.050492
19 Samaritian_ + Serb_BH_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.061488
20 Hungarian_Budapest_ + Lebanese_Druze_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.084605

Dodecad K7b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southern 39.41
2 Atlantic_Baltic 29.33
3 West_Asian 28.56
4 African 1.15
5 East_Asian 1.07


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
7 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 5.084632
2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 5.413800
3 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 5.560849
4 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 6.485605
5 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 7.466621
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 8.065290
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 13.494664
8 Greek_Dodecad @ 13.707103
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.525178
10 Turkish_Dodecad @ 19.726639
11 Lebanese_Behar @ 20.568583
12 Turks_Behar @ 20.862545
13 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.220102
14 TSI30_Metspalu @ 22.806887
15 Syrians_Behar @ 22.837397
16 Druze_HGDP @ 23.662146
17 Jordanians_Behar @ 24.095242
18 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.152027
19 Palestinian_HGDP @ 24.474602
20 Bedouin_HGDP @ 28.983618

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarians_Yunusbayev +50% Samaritians_Behar @ 1.759525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi_Dodecad +25% Druze_HGDP +25% Greek_Dodecad @ 0.546876


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.546876
2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.697555
3 Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.700070
4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP @ 0.718066
5 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 0.738931
6 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.741854
7 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP @ 0.754978
8 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP @ 0.797242
9 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.797244
10 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Lebanese_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.806365
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.826749
12 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.828259
13 Murcia_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.833890
14 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.850332
15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.865073
16 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + French_Basque_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Saudis_Behar @ 0.876183
17 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.877121
18 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Lebanese_Behar @ 0.878672
19 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.883755
20 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Druze_HGDP + Spaniards_Behar @ 0.891919


MDLP World

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 36.27
2 Middle_East 29.03
3 Caucaus_Parsia 19.60
4 North_and_East_European 9.86
5 East_Asian 2.31
6 Sub_Saharian 1.85
7 Indian 1.09


Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jew_Italia @ 6.760276
2 Jew_France @ 7.179235
3 Ashkenazim @ 7.559626
4 Jew_Romania @ 8.329235
5 Sephardim @ 8.733601
6 Jew_Algeria @ 8.942212
7 Greek_Cretan @ 8.974259
8 Sicilian @ 10.276271
9 Jew_Tunisia @ 10.508006
10 Jew_Morocco @ 11.847432
11 Jew_Libya @ 12.986061
12 Greek_East @ 12.990330
13 Italian-Center @ 13.371195
14 Cypriot @ 13.580819
15 Jew_Syria @ 13.624216
16 Italian-South @ 13.637860
17 Greek_Center @ 14.569712
18 Ashkenazim_V @ 14.811557
19 Greek_South @ 15.012906
20 Greek_North @ 15.925493

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian-North +50% Palestinian @ 2.860628


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Romania +25% Sicilian +25% Palestinian @ 2.036626


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Basque + Palestinian @ 1.732083
2 Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Jew_Tunisia + Portugese @ 1.807080
3 Kabardinian + Ashkenazim_V + Sardinian + Saudi @ 1.850833
4 Azeri + Bulgarian + Sardinian + Saudi @ 1.857406
5 Balkarian + Ashkenazim_V + Sardinian + Saudi @ 1.859831
6 Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Jew_Libya + Portugese @ 1.899884
7 Jew_Romania + Lebanese + Spaniard + Palestinian @ 1.913618
8 Jew_Yemen + Cirkassian + Sephardim + Basque @ 1.924031
9 Jew_Algeria + Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Portugese @ 1.928481
10 Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Jew_Libya + Iberian @ 1.930924
11 Cirkassian + Ashkenazim_V + Sardinian + Saudi @ 1.961955
12 Jew_Algeria + Jew_Yemen + Cirkassian + Basque @ 1.971583
13 Turk + Italian-South + Basque + Saudi @ 2.008762
14 Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Jew_Morocco + Italian-North @ 2.027386
15 Turk + Kosovar + Corsican + Saudi @ 2.028092
16 Azeri + Macedonian + Sardinian + Saudi @ 2.028798
17 Ashkenazim_V + Jew_Romania + Lebanese + Jew_Morocco @ 2.035274
18 Jew_Romania + Jew_Romania + Sicilian + Palestinian @ 2.036626
19 Jew_Romania + Lebanese + Iberian + Palestinian @ 2.050324
20 Samaritian + Tatar_Crim + Jew_Morocco + Corsican @ 2.051829

In terms of the numbers, the rule of thumb is that the lower the score the better the match, as far as each individual calculator goes, but I wouldn't necessarily apply that logic to comparing results from different calculators, since some calculators will tend to produce Oracle results with higher or lower numbers than others, and it doesn't necessarily mean that they are any more or less accurate. Also, keep in mind that any one of these calculators is probably showing you results that are a product of both recent and ancient ancestry. For instance if my mom scores "Ashkenazi+Ashkenazi+Druze+Greek" in Dodecad K7b, that's actually a pretty good and logical match, but it's clear to me that the Druze+Greek part reflects ancient pre-diasporic or early diasporic ancestry, and is not to be interpreted as recent ancestry.

Yonatan
06-10-2020, 08:41 AM
I just wanted to ask. 23and me is the only test that doesnt break it down to origin. The rest of the test ddo,?

StrandsofHistory
06-10-2020, 02:11 PM
I just wanted to ask. 23and me is the only test that doesnt break it down to origin. The rest of the test ddo,?

Gedmatch does! I don’t know about whether any other tests do. If anyone knows if others who break it down I’d love to hear about them

passenger
06-10-2020, 03:07 PM
Gedmatch does! I don’t know about whether any other tests do. If anyone knows if others who break it down I’d love to hear about them

In terms of the major commercial tests, all of them have an Ashkenazi, or, in AncestryDNA's case, "European" Jewish category, which is great if you are looking to confirm that ancestry, but not very helpful in terms of learning more specific information about your ancestors. As far as I know, AncestryDNA is the only one (so far) that breaks down the general Jewish category into regional "genetic communities". MyHeritage may be working on something like that for their next (long overdue) update, but I'm not sure.

For those who are interested in breaking up Ashkenazi DNA into ancient components, G25 is a useful tool (better than GEDmatch calculators), but if you're "fully" autosomally Ashkenazi, it will probably be difficult to tease any information out of it that would help you pinpoint specific ancestry locations within the past few centuries. But at least with G25 you can choose your sample sets to try to distinguish between Eastern and Western Ashkenazi groups.

There are other, lesser known commercial services without an Ashkenazi category, like LivingDNA, which will break down Ashkenazi into regional components more reflective of ancient ancestry, but I can't say I particularly recommend any of them for accuracy.

StrandsofHistory
06-10-2020, 06:23 PM
In terms of the major commercial tests, all of them have an Ashkenazi, or, in AncestryDNA's case, "European" Jewish category, which is great if you are looking to confirm that ancestry, but not very helpful in terms of learning more specific information about your ancestors. As far as I know, AncestryDNA is the only one (so far) that breaks down the general Jewish category into regional "genetic communities". MyHeritage may be working on something like that for their next (long overdue) update, but I'm not sure.

For those who are interested in breaking up Ashkenazi DNA into ancient components, G25 is a useful tool (better than GEDmatch calculators), but if you're "fully" autosomally Ashkenazi, it will probably be difficult to tease any information out of it that would help you pinpoint specific ancestry locations within the past few centuries. But at least with G25 you can choose your sample sets to try to distinguish between Eastern and Western Ashkenazi groups.

There are other, lesser known commercial services without an Ashkenazi category, like LivingDNA, which will break down Ashkenazi into regional components more reflective of ancient ancestry, but I can't say I particularly recommend any of them for accuracy.

That's interesting - What are "regional genetic communities"? Does it actually show the middle/near east part of Jewish ancestry or does that just mean it separates western vs eastern ashkie?

It's a shame there aren't many accurate ones.

passenger
06-10-2020, 07:03 PM
That's interesting - What are "regional genetic communities"? Does it actually show the middle/near east part of Jewish ancestry or does that just mean it separates western vs eastern ashkie?

It's a shame there aren't many accurate ones.

Besides the main regions for the ethnicity estimate, AncestryDNA also assigns "genetic communities", which in some cases can give test-takers a more precise picture of where their ancestors may have come from within a given country/region. For their "European Jewish" category, they have several such communities in Eastern Europe and several in Central Europe. It is similar to the way 23andme breaks down many of its ethnicity categories into subregions, except 23andme unfortunately does not do that for its Ashkenazi category AFAIK. This does not, however, break down the ancestry into more ancient components, and since the Middle Eastern ancestry in Ashkenazim is essentially anywhere from 1,500 to several thousands of years old, the genetic communities will not tell you anything about that. To get a better picture of the kind of Middle Eastern ancestry in Jewish groups you really have to use G25 (and GEDmatch to some extent) as well as read up on the scientific literature that's out there (there's a lot). There is tons of information in this massive Western Jewish thread: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14484-Could-Western-Jews-(Ash-and-Seph-)-descend-from-Aegeans-and-Levantine-admixture