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Lancer
06-21-2020, 10:21 PM
Italy is a fascinating country for population geneticists and historians alike. As Metternich said in 1847 "Italy is only a geographical expression". The peninsula was unified by Piedmont two decades later, but Metternich's remark still largely holds true today. There isn't one Italian people, but a multitude of ethnic and cultural groups, often with an independent history of their own going back to ancient times.

Countless people have settled in Italy since the Neolithic: Near Eastern farmers, Italic tribes, Ligurians, Etruscans, Phoenicians, Greeks, Celts, Goths, Lombards, Byzantines, Franks, Normans, Swabians, Arabs, Berbers, Albanians, Austrians and more. All have left their genetic print on the populations of the regions where they settled. This page attempts to identify their genetic markers through the use of Y-chromosomal haplogroups, which are passed on nearly unaltered from father to son.

Diego.Mòchen
08-26-2020, 08:04 AM
Metternich was correct, in Italy there are lot of different etnicity and culture. From north and south there are huge cultural differences. I come from Trentino Alto Adige Südtirol, last region that in 1919 became italian territory, and here we are a mix italian-german, still about culture uses and still about genetics.

Lancer
08-26-2020, 05:01 PM
Hello D.M.,
I am very glad that a resident Italian has responded. I am 3rd generation Italian in the U.S. tracing my ancestor,s path. My paternal sides come from the Naples/ Compania area whereas the Maternal sides from Calabria. What has me very perplexed is the migration path of my ancient DNA ancestors (aDNA) since I am testing in the ht35 group of Albanias, etc. (the general Marker is BY250). Specifically, I am testing R1b-Y23493 which originates in the region of modern Poland.
Have you traced your aDNA migration path? Regards, Lancer
R1b-Z2103 Panel
Z2103 C+
CTS9219 A+
BY251 A+
Y5587 A-
Y19469 G+
Y15982 A-
BY20218 G-
Y23493 G+
Y19971 G-
A20329 G-
Y28788 C-

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Y23493

Musashi
10-17-2020, 02:55 PM
I'm FT40236 (under S7461> BY5026 clade). According to what can be observed on the snp tracker website and other sources, it is a clade that spread to Italy coming from central Europe / northern Balkans in the late bronze age / early iron age, same time of arrival of the Italic tribes in Italy.

Lancer
10-22-2020, 05:07 PM
Can you post that SNP tracker site, or is it the same one I referenced, Mygrations?

Lancer
12-17-2020, 04:16 PM
Italians and Northern European Haplogroup R-BY250? What's up here?
Mystery Solved!

Well.....the Celtic Peoples of the British Isle where very formidable warriors and blended in with Roman culture and peoples swapping technologies and cultures.

"Cisalpine Gaul (Latin: Gallia Cisalpina, also called Gallia Citerior or Gallia Togata) was the part of Italy inhabited by Celts during the 4th and 3rd centuries BC. After its conquest by the Roman Republic in the 220s BC it was considered geographically part of Roman Italy but remained administratively separated.
Where is cisalpine gaul?
Cisalpine Gaul. Map of Cisalpine Gaul, extending from Veneto on the Adriatic, to Pisa and Nice on the Mediterranean, to Lake Geneva in the west, and the Alps in the North, from Abraham Ortelius' Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, the first modern atlas of the world."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnguQlfA4Y&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=History%27sKingdom

gjenetiks
12-17-2020, 08:21 PM
How much slavic admixture do modern Italians have, if any? Depending on region, etc..

Nino90
12-29-2020, 01:42 AM
How much slavic admixture do modern Italians have, if any? Depending on region, etc..

I did a fast model with Medieval Italian, Slavic + Germanic:

As you can see populations close to North East score some Slavic in this one.

But keep in mind Iron age Balkan was very similar to Italian.
Also Italian-like people were found in medieval Hungary.


Target: Italian_Piedmont
Distance: 1.2714% / 0.01271368
89.8 ITA_Rome_MA
10.2 DEU_MA


Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley
Distance: 2.5584% / 0.02558408
61.8 ITA_Rome_MA
38.2 DEU_MA



Target: Italian_Bergamo
Distance: 2.3996% / 0.02399594
82.6 ITA_Rome_MA
17.4 DEU_MA


Target: Italian_Lombardy
Distance: 2.4714% / 0.02471423
85.8 ITA_Rome_MA
14.2 DEU_MA


Target: Italian_Northeast
Distance: 1.5880% / 0.01588027
67.8 ITA_Rome_MA
18.8 Slavic
13.4 DEU_MA


Target: Italian_Veneto
Distance: 1.9099% / 0.01909927
78.2 ITA_Rome_MA
12.2 DEU_MA
9.6 Slavic


Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
Distance: 2.1708% / 0.02170830
73.2 ITA_Rome_MA
22.0 DEU_MA
4.8 Slavic

Musashi
03-13-2021, 08:02 AM
Can you post that SNP tracker site, or is it the same one I referenced, Mygrations?

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

Korabi
03-13-2021, 03:01 PM
http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

It says it was updated on 2/27/21 and there's SNPs that were on yfull before then that are still not on the tracker.

Principe
03-13-2021, 05:11 PM
How much slavic admixture do modern Italians have, if any? Depending on region, etc..

Depends the region, Northeast Italy has some, as for the South its pretty much non existent, could be 0-2%.

Principe
03-13-2021, 05:15 PM
Hello D.M.,
I am very glad that a resident Italian has responded. I am 3rd generation Italian in the U.S. tracing my ancestor,s path. My paternal sides come from the Naples/ Compania area whereas the Maternal sides from Calabria. What has me very perplexed is the migration path of my ancient DNA ancestors (aDNA) since I am testing in the ht35 group of Albanias, etc. (the general Marker is BY250). Specifically, I am testing R1b-Y23493 which originates in the region of modern Poland.
Have you traced your aDNA migration path? Regards, Lancer
R1b-Z2103 Panel
Z2103 C+
CTS9219 A+
BY251 A+
Y5587 A-
Y19469 G+
Y15982 A-
BY20218 G-
Y23493 G+
Y19971 G-
A20329 G-
Y28788 C-

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Y23493

So we have you from Campania and a Barese in a downstream branch, this is interesting, maybe your line is Appenine Culture in origin?

Possibly being one of the Z2103’s branch that has a pre Iron Age origin in Italy, pretty cool result!

Also could reflect an Tumulus Culture move into Italy, was R-Y23493 found in ancient Poland? Or this based off the Polish sample on Yfull?

Musashi
03-14-2021, 09:19 PM
It says it was updated on 2/27/21 and there's SNPs that were on yfull before then that are still not on the tracker.

It is based on the FTDNA Y tree