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subzero85
06-30-2020, 07:10 PM
I have a 23andMe match (I'm assuming North Indian Shia) whose EV-12 and his paternal line is recently from Uttar Pradesh in North India. His autosomal is 98% South Asian, 1% European, 1% MENA.

Is this something elaborate as Fatimids taking refuge in India after the downfall of their caliphate in North Africa?

What are likely sources for his paternal ancestry to migrate to India?

digital_noise
06-30-2020, 07:28 PM
Hard to say exactly, but I do recall sometime last year the samples at Lake Roopkund in India being of European descent. I dont remember how they figured they got there, but it could be something like this. E-V12 is traditionally Egyptian, so I dont think it would be unheard of of Greece and Egypt have some sort of connection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11357-9

Lupriac
06-30-2020, 09:54 PM
E-V12 is found abundantly among Egyptians (Southern Egyptians specifically) but it all depends on the subclade. If he's E-V32 he could be a descendant of an East African population (Swahili traders with India?). E-CTS693 is usually found outside of Egypt as well in low frequencies, such as in Senegal, the Levant, Greece, Ireland, Italy, and also among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, could be of Syrian Christian or (less likely) Jewish origin. There's also E-FGC51357 which is almost entirely confined to the Arabian peninsula, if he belongs to this branch then he could have a medieval Arab origin. More testing is needed in this case.

P.S. The Fatimids, as far as we know, most likely merged with the modern population of Egypt, and I believe a few sources mention that some of them were exiled to the Levant by Saladin. Not so sure though. We don't exactly know.

Farroukh
07-04-2020, 04:38 AM
Roots of North Indian Shi‘ism in Iran and Iraq (http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft0f59n6r9&chunk.id=0&doc.view=print)

Related Y-DNA article (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19058044/)

drobbah
07-04-2020, 05:17 AM
E-V12 is found abundantly among Egyptians (Southern Egyptians specifically) but it all depends on the subclade. If he's E-V32 he could be a descendant of an East African population (Swahili traders with India?). E-CTS693 is usually found outside of Egypt as well in low frequencies, such as in Senegal, the Levant, Greece, Ireland, Italy, and also among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, could be of Syrian Christian or (less likely) Jewish origin. There's also E-FGC51357 which is almost entirely confined to the Arabian peninsula, if he belongs to this branch then he could have a medieval Arab origin. More testing is needed in this case.

P.S. The Fatimids, as far as we know, most likely merged with the modern population of Egypt, and I believe a few sources mention that some of them were exiled to the Levant by Saladin. Not so sure though. We don't exactly know.

E-V32 isn't exclusive to Horners/EAST Cushitic like Somalis.There are Middle Easterners from the Arabian Peninsula,Egypt and the Levant with non-Cushitic branches of E-V32.It's an haplogroup that originated on the Red Sea coast

NetNomad
07-04-2020, 06:52 AM
E-V32 isn't exclusive to Horners/EAST Cushitic like Somalis.There are Middle Easterners from the Arabian Peninsula,Egypt and the Levant with non-Cushitic branches of E-V32.It's an haplogroup that originated on the Red Sea coast

There are even Chinese with E-V22:

https://yfull.com/tree/E-M6233/

There is no way of knowing where a haplogroup came from, unless a person does a complete Y test.