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Melissay122
07-20-2020, 02:49 PM
Hi ,

I am trying to get an idea of what/where/type of (and if) West Asian ancestry my Mother may have. On her paternal side she is Ukrainian/Rusyn with some Polish and Romanian. My grandfather was rather fair looking but his brothers(my great uncles) were very dark and looked more West Asian. I know you need to take calculators with a grain of salt, but if I post some results, could someone help interpret?(I get .5 west Asian on 23 and me, broadly). I know this wouldn't be current ancestry but deeper back, although I am not sure how far back each calculator is measuring. OR, is all of these results REALLY far back like time of migrations??? (I will say she is painted a lot more than I am with West asian in the EU paintings from ged match)

I also know these ethnic calculators do crazy things because of admixture. I am not an expert and would appreciate input. I have a couple different calc results listed. If there are better ones to use, please advise. I am fascinated by this stuff, but too new to make any determinations obviously lol (I made wrong assumptions in the beginning, but I am very curious about this). Here are some results:


Thanks so much for input ! :)

EU V2 K 15-

North_Sea 26.02 Pct
Atlantic 18.26 Pct
Baltic 15.49 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.59 Pct
West_Med 13.12 Pct
West_Asian 9.10 Pct
East_Med 3.19 Pct
Red_Sea 1.12 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.02 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.84
2 Hungarian 7.15
3 Austrian 8.93
4 Serbian 10.05
5 Moldavian 10.34
6 Croatian 10.37
7 West_German 10.67
8 South_Dutch 10.67
9 French 12.21
10 North_German 12.63
11 Romanian 13.28
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.61
13 South_Polish 13.66
14 Ukrainian 14.2
15 Southwest_Finnish 14.25
16 Southwest_English 14.63
17 North_Swedish 14.72
18 North_Dutch 15.1
19 Danish 15.18
20 Swedish 15.21

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.84
2 Hungarian 7.15
3 Austrian 8.93
4 Serbian 10.05
5 Moldavian 10.34
6 Croatian 10.37
7 West_German 10.67
8 South_Dutch 10.67
9 French 12.21
10 North_German 12.63
11 Romanian 13.28
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.61
13 South_Polish 13.66
14 Ukrainian 14.2
15 Southwest_Finnish 14.25
16 Southwest_English 14.63
17 North_Swedish 14.72
18 North_Dutch 15.1
19 Danish 15.18
20 Swedish 15.21

Oracle -
Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.6% Moldavian + 40.4% Southwest_English @ 3.95
2 92.6% East_German + 7.4% Abhkasian @ 4.09
3 92.1% East_German + 7.9% Georgian @ 4.1
4 91.3% East_German + 8.7% Ossetian @ 4.1
5 91% East_German + 9% Balkar @ 4.18
6 90.5% East_German + 9.5% Kumyk @ 4.25
7 91% East_German + 9% Chechen @ 4.28
8 91.5% East_German + 8.5% Adygei @ 4.29
9 91.1% East_German + 8.9% Kabardin @ 4.31
10 90.5% East_German + 9.5% Tabassaran @ 4.32
11 92.1% East_German + 7.9% Armenian @ 4.32
12 91.8% East_German + 8.2% North_Ossetian @ 4.33
13 90.8% East_German + 9.2% Lezgin @ 4.33
14 65.2% Moldavian + 34.8% Orcadian @ 4.43
15 51% Moldavian + 49% West_German @ 4.48
16 51% Moldavian + 49% South_Dutch @ 4.5
17 92.7% East_German + 7.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.54
18 91.3% East_German + 8.7% Turkish @ 4.58
19 85.6% East_German + 14.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
20 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Southeast_English @ 4.64


Dodecad -

Population Percent
1 North_European 42.88
2 Atlantic_Med 30.57
3 Caucasus 14.29
4 Gedrosia 7.6
5 Southwest_Asian 2.43
6 South_Asian 2.04
7 Sub_Saharan 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 7.01
2 Hungarians (Behar) 7.32
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 10.96
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 12.31
5 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 14.71
6 Kent (1000Genomes) 14.73
7 French (Dodecad) 14.83
8 English (Dodecad) 14.92
9 French (HGDP) 15.25
10 Romanians (Behar) 16
11 British_Isles (Dodecad) 16.04
12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 16.93
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 17.09
14 British (Dodecad) 17.26
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 17.45
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 17.57
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.66
18 Orcadian (HGDP) 17.71
19 Irish (Dodecad) 17.72
20 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 18.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% German (Dodecad) + 12.8% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.05
2 87.7% German (Dodecad) + 12.3% Turks (Behar) @ 2.17
3 89.5% German (Dodecad) + 10.5% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
4 89.6% German (Dodecad) + 10.4% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.22
5 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Armenians (Behar) @ 2.23
6 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.28
7 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.35
8 89.6% German (Dodecad) + 10.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.39
9 89.5% German (Dodecad) + 10.5% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.45
10 89% German (Dodecad) + 11% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.47
11 88.4% German (Dodecad) + 11.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.48
12 85% German (Dodecad) + 15% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
13 90% German (Dodecad) + 10% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.57
14 89.9% German (Dodecad) + 10.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.64
15 82.5% German (Dodecad) + 17.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.73
16 85.2% German (Dodecad) + 14.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.74
17 88.8% German (Dodecad) + 11.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.75
18 71% German (Dodecad) + 29% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.82
19 89% German (Dodecad) + 11% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.84
20 84.9% German (Dodecad) + 15.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.87


k13 - Eurogenes


Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.49
2 Baltic 27.82
3 West_Med 16.33
4 West_Asian 10
5 East_Med 7.4
6 Oceanian 1.23
7 Red_Sea 0.76
8 East_Asian 0.38
9 South_Asian 0.26
10 Amerindian 0.17
11 Sub-Saharan 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 4.14
2 East_German 5.94
3 Hungarian 6.69
4 West_German 8.87
5 South_Dutch 10.15
6 Serbian 10.37
7 Croatian 10.8
8 Moldavian 11.41
9 North_German 12.19
10 French 12.69
11 Romanian 13.8
12 South_Polish 14.53
13 Danish 14.74
14 North_Dutch 14.8
15 Southeast_English 14.8
16 Swedish 14.92
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.28
18 Orcadian 15.75
19 North_Swedish 16.02
20 Norwegian 16.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% Moldavian + 40.7% Southwest_English @ 2.85
2 93.9% Austrian + 6.1% Ossetian @ 2.86
3 93.6% Austrian + 6.4% Balkar @ 2.9
4 94.9% Austrian + 5.1% Abhkasian @ 2.94
5 94.6% Austrian + 5.4% Georgian @ 2.95
6 94.1% Austrian + 5.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.98
7 93.6% Austrian + 6.4% Kabardin @ 2.98
8 94% Austrian + 6% Adygei @ 3.03
9 93.8% Austrian + 6.2% Chechen @ 3.1
10 53.2% South_Dutch + 46.8% Moldavian @ 3.11
11 93.8% Austrian + 6.2% Kumyk @ 3.14
12 56.9% West_German + 43.1% Moldavian @ 3.15
13 94.3% Austrian + 5.7% Lezgin @ 3.26
14 94.2% Austrian + 5.8% Tabassaran @ 3.27
15 95.2% Austrian + 4.8% Armenian @ 3.28
16 93.8% Austrian + 6.2% Nogay @ 3.3
17 94.5% Austrian + 5.5% Turkish @ 3.34
18 56.9% Moldavian + 43.1% Southeast_English @ 3.35
19 96.2% Austrian + 3.8% Brahui @ 3.36
20 96.1% Austrian + 3.9% Balochi @ 3.37


Dodecad K&B

Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.72
2 West_Asian 15.93
3 Southern 14.43
4 South_Asian 2.75
5 African 0.11
6 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.82
2 French (HGDP) 8.19
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 8.62
4 French (Dodecad) 8.73
5 German (Dodecad) 8.95
6 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.6
7 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.72
8 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10
9 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 10.34
10 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.39
11 English (Dodecad) 10.82
12 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 11.62
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 11.91
14 British (Dodecad) 11.94
15 Irish (Dodecad) 12.05
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 12.09
17 Orcadian (HGDP) 12.41
18 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.14
19 Polish (Dodecad) 13.77
20 Romanians (Behar) 13.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 16% Iranians (Behar) @ 0.61
2 84.2% British (Dodecad) + 15.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 0.74
3 83.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 16.3% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 0.9
4 86.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 13.5% Iranians (Behar) @ 0.93
5 83.9% British (Dodecad) + 16.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 0.99
6 84% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 16% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.08
7 84.1% Irish (Dodecad) + 15.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 1.12
8 83.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 16.3% Iranians (Behar) @ 1.14
9 86.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 13.8% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.15
10 83.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 16.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 1.17
11 84.1% British (Dodecad) + 15.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.18
12 84% British (Dodecad) + 16% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 1.24
13 86.5% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 13.5% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.26
14 86.8% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 13.2% Iranians (Behar) @ 1.29
15 85.5% English (Dodecad) + 14.5% Iranians (Behar) @ 1.29
16 85.2% English (Dodecad) + 14.8% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.3
17 86.1% Kent (1000Genomes) + 13.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 1.32
18 83.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 16.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.35
19 88.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 11.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 1.35
20 86.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 13.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.37

dodecad v12

Population Percent
1 North_European 42.88
2 Atlantic_Med 30.57
3 Caucasus 14.29
4 Gedrosia 7.6
5 Southwest_Asian 2.43
6 South_Asian 2.04
7 Sub_Saharan 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 7.01
2 Hungarians (Behar) 7.32
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 10.96
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 12.31
5 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 14.71
6 Kent (1000Genomes) 14.73
7 French (Dodecad) 14.83
8 English (Dodecad) 14.92
9 French (HGDP) 15.25
10 Romanians (Behar) 16
11 British_Isles (Dodecad) 16.04
12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 16.93
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 17.09
14 British (Dodecad) 17.26
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 17.45
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 17.57
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.66
18 Orcadian (HGDP) 17.71
19 Irish (Dodecad) 17.72
20 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 18.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% German (Dodecad) + 12.8% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.05
2 87.7% German (Dodecad) + 12.3% Turks (Behar) @ 2.17
3 89.5% German (Dodecad) + 10.5% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
4 89.6% German (Dodecad) + 10.4% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.22
5 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Armenians (Behar) @ 2.23
6 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.28
7 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.35
8 89.6% German (Dodecad) + 10.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.39
9 89.5% German (Dodecad) + 10.5% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.45
10 89% German (Dodecad) + 11% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.47
11 88.4% German (Dodecad) + 11.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.48
12 85% German (Dodecad) + 15% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
13 90% German (Dodecad) + 10% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.57
14 89.9% German (Dodecad) + 10.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.64
15 82.5% German (Dodecad) + 17.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.73
16 85.2% German (Dodecad) + 14.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.74
17 88.8% German (Dodecad) + 11.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.75
18 71% German (Dodecad) + 29% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.82
19 89% German (Dodecad) + 11% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.84
20 84.9% German (Dodecad) + 15.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.87

Magnetic
07-20-2020, 05:06 PM
welcome to the west asian club

Farroukh
07-21-2020, 07:35 AM
On her paternal side she is Ukrainian/Rusyn with some Polish and Romanian. My grandfather was rather fair looking but his brothers(my great uncles) were very dark and looked more West Asian.
There are many sources of "dark looks" for Ukrainian people (admixture of Balkanians, Roma Gypsies, Ashkenazi Jews, Crimean Tatars and so on). Rusyn people located at the Western Ukrain and also in contact with local ethnic groups.
Which people are in matchlist?

Farroukh
07-22-2020, 08:02 AM
Based on autosomal distances and consider ethnomap of Ukraine the most probable candidate for source of West Asian admixture is Armenian community of Western Ukraine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Ukraine)

I hope this will help to unveil the past