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btree
07-30-2020, 04:14 AM
I recently have been learning and messing around with my G25 and also my dad's g25. I have already received good interpretation/analysis of me & my dad's results overall, but one thing that was noticed is that in a lot of these runs my dad and I both get some little portion of Siberian/Indigenous/East Asian. From a genealogical perspective, I have known ancestry in Sweden and also Netherlands & Portugal before some of the Swedish on one side (this is pertaining to my dad's family history only). Along with this Swedish (even though he is not a good fit for the average Swede or Germanic genetically), he has Ashkenazi Jew ancestry and also possible Sephardic/Iberian Jew ancestry (coming from the more distant Portuguese). He doesn't score that much on g25 but I think it's because other components are swallowing it up & since he's not a smug fit. Anyways, the only valid explanation I could come up with genealogically for this stubborn Siberian/Indigenous/EastAsian is that it derives from his Dutch and Iberian ancestors in Curacao (he had multiple generations of Dutch/Iberian/Sephardic living in Curacao). On last thing to mention before I show some runs of this occuring, is that he has 0.7% Broadly West Asian on 23andme, if that means anything.

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.1237% / 0.02123700 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Germanic_Europe
9.2 Spain
3.4 Norway
2.4 Middle_East
1.0 Indigenous_Arctic
0.2 Indigenous_Americas-North
0.2 Indigenous_Eastern_South_America

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.0169% / 0.02016898
59.8 Sweden
10.8 Spain
10.6 Italy
5.6 Greece_&_the_Balkans
4.8 Norway
3.6 Middle_East
1.8 Eastern_Europe_&_Russia
1.2 Finland
1.2 Indigenous_Eastern_South_America
0.6 Northern_Africa

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.2485% / 0.02248477 | ADC: 0.25x
80.8 Germanic
8.6 Scandinavia
5.0 North_Italy
2.2 Arabia
1.8 Indigenous_Canadian
1.6 Iberian

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.0611% / 0.02061148
55.0 Scandinavia
30.4 North_Italy
7.2 West_Slavic
3.2 Arabia
1.4 West_Finno-Ugric
1.0 Iberian
0.8 Indigenous_Canadian
0.6 South_Amerindian
0.4 Northeast_Finno-Ugric

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 1.6276% / 0.01627576 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Crusaders
14.8 Central_European
13.2 Scandinavia
10.8 USA_European_Settler
7.0 Germanic_Europe
5.6 Anatolia
2.8 British
1.6 Arabic

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 1.4668% / 0.01466760
31.4 Crusaders
19.4 Scandinavia
15.8 British
9.0 USA_European_Settler
8.0 Central_Asia_and_steppe
6.4 Anatolia
3.6 Central_European
2.8 Arabic
2.2 Balkan
0.8 Sibérian
0.2 Andean
0.2 Finland
0.2 Spain

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.1591% / 0.02159090 | ADC: 0.25x
78.8 North_and_West_European
9.4 Balkan
7.8 Iberian
2.8 Yemenite_Jewish
1.2 Native_American

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.0427% / 0.02042702
69.0 Scandinavian
19.2 Italian
4.8 Yemenite_Jewish
3.2 Sardinian
1.8 East_European
1.2 Mesoamerican_Andean
0.6 North_African
0.2 Chinese_and_Vietnamese

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.6413% / 0.02641273 | ADC: 0.25x
82.2 WEST_EURO
16.4 EAST_EURO
1.4 AMERINDIAN_NORTH

Target: btree_father_scaled
Distance: 2.6051% / 0.02605072
81.8 WEST_EURO
16.2 EAST_EURO
2.0 AMERINDIAN_NORTH


These are just some calculator runs I used on vahaduo ^ Below is my father's g25 coords in case you want to test it out for yourself. Let me know what you guys think :)


btree_father_scaled,0.127482,0.128972,0.059208,0.0 26163,0.037545,0.013666,-0.00235,0.001385,0.006136,0.004374,-0.003897,0.001798,0.001784,-0.008808,0.009908,-0.004508,-0.003781,-0.007348,0.006913,0.010005,0.006114,0.006554,0.006 902,0.011688,-0.001676

btree_father,0.0112,0.0127,0.0157,0.0081,0.0122,0. 0049,-0.001,0.0006,0.003,0.0024,-0.0024,0.0012,0.0012,-0.0064,0.0073,-0.0034,-0.0029,-0.0058,0.0055,0.008,0.0049,0.0053,0.0056,0.0097,-0.0014

Caius Agrippa
08-01-2020, 03:37 AM
Ashkenazi Jews have East Asian ancestry that might be giving you false American Indian reports. Besides, if you are partially Scandinavian it isn't strange scoring minor percentages of Eastern Eurasian. My wife is of Volga German, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese and Amerindian ancestry and I still cannot figure out how much of her East Eurasian is true Amerindian admixture and how much she inherited from Russian/Swedish/Volga Germans.

passenger
08-01-2020, 04:28 AM
I recently have been learning and messing around with my G25 and also my dad's g25. I have already received good interpretation/analysis of me & my dad's results overall, but one thing that was noticed is that in a lot of these runs my dad and I both get some little portion of Siberian/Indigenous/East Asian. From a genealogical perspective, I have known ancestry in Sweden and also Netherlands & Portugal before some of the Swedish on one side (this is pertaining to my dad's family history only). Along with this Swedish (even though he is not a good fit for the average Swede or Germanic genetically), he has Ashkenazi Jew ancestry and also possible Sephardic/Iberian Jew ancestry (coming from the more distant Portuguese). He doesn't score that much on g25 but I think it's because other components are swallowing it up & since he's not a smug fit. Anyways, the only valid explanation I could come up with genealogically for this stubborn Siberian/Indigenous/EastAsian is that it derives from his Dutch and Iberian ancestors in Curacao (he had multiple generations of Dutch/Iberian/Sephardic living in Curacao). On last thing to mention before I show some runs of this occuring, is that he has 0.7% Broadly West Asian on 23andme, if that means anything.

That's interesting. What do you know about his Curacao Sephardic ancestry? Anecdotally, FWIW, I have several MyHeritage matches from Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and Suriname and they all score minor percentages of one of the MH Amerindian categories, but they're much more SSA admixed than Amerindian. One of my matches is from Suriname and has mostly Portuguese (most likely Jewish) surnames in her tree, and gets this curious breakdown:

19.5% Irish Scottish and Welsh
28.7% Ashkenazi
18.9% Iberian
5.3% Italian
0.9% Greek and South Italian
10.4% North African
6.5% Nigerian
1.1% Central African
7.7% West Asian
1.0% Native American

Caius Agrippa
08-01-2020, 05:01 AM
That's interesting. What do you know about his Curacao Sephardic ancestry? Anecdotally, FWIW, I have several MyHeritage matches from Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and Suriname and they all score minor percentages of one of the MH Amerindian categories, but they're much more SSA admixed than Amerindian. One of my matches is from Suriname and has mostly Portuguese (most likely Jewish) surnames in her tree, and gets this curious breakdown:

19.5% Irish Scottish and Welsh
28.7% Ashkenazi
18.9% Iberian
5.3% Italian
0.9% Greek and South Italian
10.4% North African
6.5% Nigerian
1.1% Central African
7.7% West Asian
1.0% Native American

That person probably is at least 50-60% Jewish (if not more) considering the MH report. I didn't know results like that were possible in Suriname, I thought most of them had more balanced South Asian - African - European/MENA ancestry with minor native. She is around 7.6% African, 1% indigenous and 0% South Asian. Her MH results look similar to mine in that sense.

btree
08-01-2020, 10:15 PM
Ashkenazi Jews have East Asian ancestry that might be giving you false American Indian reports. Besides, if you are partially Scandinavian it isn't strange scoring minor percentages of Eastern Eurasian. My wife is of Volga German, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese and Amerindian ancestry and I still cannot figure out how much of her East Eurasian is true Amerindian admixture and how much she inherited from Russian/Swedish/Volga Germans.

Why would Ashkenazi Jews have East Asian ancestry?
I would think they can have West Asian ancestry as a lot of them have traces of Levantine

JerryS.
08-01-2020, 10:19 PM
I got 23/me raw data recently to compare how it is deciphered by GEDmatch and G25 compared to my ~decade old Ancestry data. One of the GEDmatch models gave me some 1. something Native American which I have never gotten before with Ancestry data. of course I now get some Russian with G25 23/me data which I never got with Ancestry data also, so.....

btree
08-01-2020, 10:24 PM
That's interesting. What do you know about his Curacao Sephardic ancestry? Anecdotally, FWIW, I have several MyHeritage matches from Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and Suriname and they all score minor percentages of one of the MH Amerindian categories, but they're much more SSA admixed than Amerindian. One of my matches is from Suriname and has mostly Portuguese (most likely Jewish) surnames in her tree, and gets this curious breakdown:

19.5% Irish Scottish and Welsh
28.7% Ashkenazi
18.9% Iberian
5.3% Italian
0.9% Greek and South Italian
10.4% North African
6.5% Nigerian
1.1% Central African
7.7% West Asian
1.0% Native American

Well, the actual ancestors of this Sephardic Jewry are far back (like 1600s-1700s). However, one of their living descendants (who I dna matched with on 23andme) lives in Panama and still practices Judaism. I believe the family of which the Sephardic Jewry comes from back then is supposedly the Spinozas/Espinozas, who to my knowledge were Portuguese Sephardic Jews living in the Netherlands. I don't really put too much faith into my family tree up to a certain point as a lot of it is built on other people's knowledge and findings, but it makes sense.

As for your results, my father did not score any North African. He is 20% Ashkenazi genetically but he only has some Iberian (S&P) and 0.7% Broadly West Asian. His mom will soon be getting her results though so maybe that West Asian will correct itself and become Native American, or another percentage will succumb for it (but who knows?).

Caius Agrippa
08-01-2020, 10:40 PM
Why would Ashkenazi Jews have East Asian ancestry?
I would think they can have West Asian ancestry as a lot of them have traces of Levantine

Davidski says Ashkenazi Jews have minor East Asian and not of the Siberian type, direct East Asian admixture of Southern China. I'm not that knowledgeable on Jewish genetics and history, so I take his word.

btree
08-01-2020, 10:48 PM
Davidski says Ashkenazi Jews have minor East Asian and not of the Siberian type, direct East Asian admixture of Southern China. I'm not that knowledgeable on Jewish genetics and history, so I take his word.

I see. The thing is if you look at some of my runs on various calculators, I don't really get East Asian admix for the most part, I get Siberian or Indigenous.

JerryS.
08-02-2020, 12:37 AM
Davidski says Ashkenazi Jews have minor East Asian and not of the Siberian type, direct East Asian admixture of Southern China. I'm not that knowledgeable on Jewish genetics and history, so I take his word.

I have never heard this! some "world" models give me weird S.E. Asian secondary oracle groups, but I'm not Jewish.

BalkanKiwi
08-02-2020, 12:59 AM
Davidski says Ashkenazi Jews have minor East Asian and not of the Siberian type, direct East Asian admixture of Southern China. I'm not that knowledgeable on Jewish genetics and history, so I take his word.

I don't want to derail this thread from its original topic, but he's possibly making reference to this paper:

A genetic contribution from the Far East into Ashkenazi Jews via the ancient Silk Road

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep08377

JerryS.
08-02-2020, 01:12 AM
I don't want to derail this thread from its original topic, but he's possibly making reference to this paper:

A genetic contribution from the Far East into Ashkenazi Jews via the ancient Silk Road

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep08377

.........

passenger
08-02-2020, 01:57 AM
I see. The thing is if you look at some of my runs on various calculators, I don't really get East Asian admix for the most part, I get Siberian or Indigenous.

Yes, as far as I can tell from your father's coordinates, the Amerindian seems very consistent and does not show up as East Asian.

btree
08-02-2020, 03:03 AM
Yes, as far as I can tell from your father's coordinates, the Amerindian seems very consistent and does not show up as East Asian.

Yes, I think I'm going to wait for my dad's mom to phase with him though and see what 23andme says. I do see a lot of people get some small percentage of Siberian or East Asian however (ex: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20927-Marques-K64-calculator), but not really Indigenous American so there may be some truth behind it.

mildlycurly
08-15-2020, 09:05 PM
I get minor Amerindian on some calcs, usually Central/Southern (Lukasz's chromosomal analysis gives me Taino, Eskimo, Chipewyan, Wiche, Aymara and Mixtec as well as some Siberian). I match on a couple of segments with the Clovis boy, and one of these segments matches with a functionally full-blooded Native Canadian (some minor Euro admix). Admix Studio/nMonte runs indicate these segments have an Amerindian/Siberian element.

I'm thinking this connection stems from my mother, who has very little if any Jewish-related DNA, the bulk of her ancestry being Western Euro, especially Irish. She appears to have minor Sami admix which looks a likely source, but then again I match with full-blooded Native Americans on segments with substantial Amerindian. And yes, my mother has high cheekbones ;)