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jdufh
07-31-2020, 11:50 PM
I was really surprised about this one and I'm confused as to how this came to be. I can only find high frequency of J in European regions; Is this not common in South Asia?

digital_noise
08-01-2020, 12:24 AM
Are these your results? I mean its entirely possible that there was some early migrations thousands of years ago.

jdufh
08-01-2020, 01:48 AM
Are these your results? I mean its entirely possible that there was some early migrations thousands of years ago.
Yes. I haven't been able to find any other South Asian with similar stats so I'm wondering if it could be an error lol

aaronbee2010
08-01-2020, 02:14 AM
I was really surprised about this one and I'm confused as to how this came to be. I can only find high frequency of J in European regions; Is this not common in South Asia?

South Asians have low frequencies of European mtDNA lineages (i.e. H2, U5, W1). You mainly see these lineages in the northwest region of South Asia but I'm sure other regions have these lineages in lower amounts. Most mtDNA lineages in South Asia are either AASI (my father) or Iran_N (my mother/me) but there are European lineages present in low amounts in South Asia too.

digital_noise
08-01-2020, 02:15 AM
Yes. I haven't been able to find any other South Asian with similar stats so I'm wondering if it could be an error lol

Assuming you found out through 23 and me? Doubtful its an error. J1c is old. So somewhere in the Balkans or Middle East, J1c mutated, and my ancestor went likely up North through the Balkans or Italy into Northern or NE Europe while yours hung a right and went to South Asia. Run your raw data through Morley's predictor. You will get slightly more refined (maybe) haplogroup than what 23 and Me gives. I am J1c at 23/Me. Morley predicts J1C2p.

jdufh
08-01-2020, 02:35 AM
Assuming you found out through 23 and me? Doubtful its an error. J1c is old. So somewhere in the Balkans or Middle East, J1c mutated, and my ancestor went likely up North through the Balkans or Italy into Northern or NE Europe while yours hung a right and went to South Asia. Run your raw data through Morley's predictor. You will get slightly more refined (maybe) haplogroup than what 23 and Me gives. I am J1c at 23/Me. Morley predicts J1C2p.

All of the matches say imperfect match. Is that normal?

jdufh
08-01-2020, 02:48 AM
This is the top one:

1) J1b8

Defining Markers for haplogroup J1b8:
HVR2: 73G 152C 263G 295T 462T 489C
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4696C 4769G 7028T 8269A 8860G 9932A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 15326G 15452A
HVR1: 16069T 16126C 16145A (16222T) 16261T

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1b8 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ 8269A 16145A (16222T) 16261T ⇨ J1b ⇨ 152C 4696C 9932A ⇨ J1b8 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4092A 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 14482T 16260T

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(20): 73G 263G 295T 462T 489C 1438G 2706G 3010A 4696C 7028T 8860G 9932A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 16069T 16126C 16145A 16261T
Mismatches(0): (16222C)
Flips(1): 15452T
Extras(16): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4092A 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 14482T 16260T
Untested(8): 152 750 4216 4769 8269 13708 14766 15326

But it says "Found 4274 markers at 2413 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA." why is it not 100%?

digital_noise
08-01-2020, 03:00 AM
I might have made a mistake. I think Morley does Y DNA.

Use this site
https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


**EDIT
OK, Im gonna step back, Im to distracted and cannot keep any of this straight. If you did use James Lick, as I believe you did, it looks good. I get the same Found 4301 markers at 2425 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA.

jdufh
08-01-2020, 03:05 AM
I might have made a mistake. I think Morley does Y DNA.

Use this site
https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


**EDIT
OK, Im gonna step back, Im to distracted and cannot keep any of this straight. If you did use James Lick, as I believe you did, it looks good. I get the same Found 4301 markers at 2425 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA.

Haha, yes I used James Lick's. Ok so this fits more with Armenia, Turkey, Syria and the Maghreb.. interesting.

23abc
08-01-2020, 12:05 PM
Very interesting, you're the only person I've ever seen that had the same issue as me. 23ndme says J1c but JamesLick says J1b8!

https://imgur.com/iEO6wdB.png

We probably have the same maternal haplogroup, but I'm not sure if it's J1c or J1b8 because of this oddity.

jdufh
08-01-2020, 12:44 PM
Very interesting, you're the only person I've ever seen that had the same issue as me. 23ndme says J1c but JamesLick says J1b8!

https://imgur.com/iEO6wdB.png

We probably have the same maternal haplogroup, but I'm not sure if it's J1c or J1b8 because of this oddity.

Oh that is really interesting!

parasar
08-01-2020, 06:08 PM
Some Swat samples were mt J:
J1b1 GHIJK 1-1000 CE I11565
J1b1 J 720-895 calCE (120030 BP, Beta-428663) I1808
J1d3a R2a3a 1000-800 BCE I5399
J1b1b3 n/a (female) 921-831 calBCE (274020 BP, PSUAMS-2786) I6545

See also:
J/J1b/J1b1a1/J1b1b/J1b3/J1c/J1c1b1a/J1c5/J1c8/J1d1/J1d3b/J1d4/J2a1a1/J2b1a: 2.97(South) 1.78 (North) 0.25 (East) 0.34 (West)
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1007%2Fs00439-015-1547-4/MediaObjects/439_2015_1547_MOESM1_ESM.xls

Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian PK11 South India J
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian PK31 South India J
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian PO45 South India J
Uttar Pradesh Muslim Indo-European SH03 North India J
Punjab Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European Kshatriya-PUJ86 North India J
Punjab Caste Indo-European PP97 North India J
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian PardhanI01 South India J
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian PardhanI26 South India J
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian PardhanS31 South India J
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian PardhanS39 South India J
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian PardhanS23 South India J
Kashmir Caste Indo-European Kashmir6 North India J1b
Uttar Pradesh Muslim Indo-European SH58 North India J1b
Andhra Pradesh Muslim Dravidian IR39 South India J1b
Meghalaya Tribe Tibeto-Burman Garo East India J1b
Uttar Pradesh Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European C188 North India J1b
Uttar Pradesh Muslim Indo-European SU88 North India J1b
Uttar Pradesh Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European C109 North India J1b1a1
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian Kapu-KTK23 South India J1b1a1
Gujarat Caste Indo-European Gujarat33 West India J1b1a1
Gujarat Caste Indo-European Gujarati-GJ34 West India J1b1a1
Kerala Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian TVM48 South India J1b1a1
Punjab Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European Brahmin PBR68 North India J1b1a1
Tamil Nadu Muslim Dravidian TDB86 South India J1b1a1
Uttar Pradesh Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European B195 North India J1b1a1
Uttar Pradesh Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European B30 North India J1b1a1
Uttar Pradesh Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European B51 North India J1b1a1
Uttar Pradesh Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European C145 North India J1b1a1
Ladakh Tribe Tibeto-Burman Ladakhis-Bud11 Northeast India J1b1a1
Karnataka Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian Gowda-G4 South India J1b1a1
Kerala Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian TVM61 South India J1b1a1
Uttar Pradesh Caste Indo-European UD43 North India J1b1a1
Punjab Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European Kshatriya-PUJ North India J1b1a1
Andhra Pradesh Caste Dravidian PO61 South India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian KP14 South India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Indo-European Lambadi33 South India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian PO62 South India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian R200 South India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian T149 South India J1b1b
Tamil Nadu Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian VKD8 South India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian Re80 South India J1b1b
Uttar Pradesh Muslim Indo-European SH82 North India J1b1b
Andhra Pradesh Muslim Dravidian IR37 South India J1b1b
Punjab Caste Middle-Caste Indo-European PP65 North India J1b1b
Karnataka Caste Upper-Caste Dravidian Brahmin-Bh33 South India J1b1b
Tamil Nadu Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian DG64 South India J1b1b
Tamil Nadu Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian DG79 South India J1b3
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian PardhanI03 South India J1b3
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian Thoti4 South India J1b3
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian Thoti42 South India J1b3
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian Thoti78 South India J1b3
Andhra Pradesh Tribe Dravidian Thoti93 South India J1b3
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian T140 South India J1c
Andhra Pradesh Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian R154 South India J1c1b1a
Punjab Caste Lower-Caste Indo-European Scheduled caste138 North India J1c5
Punjab Caste Lower-Caste Indo-European Scheduled caste118 North India J1c8
Andhra Pradesh Muslim Dravidian IR21 South India J1d1
Maharashtra Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European Desasth Brahmin54 West India J1d3b
Uttar Pradesh Tribe Indo-European Tharu-G7 North India J1d3b
Tamil Nadu Caste Middle-Caste Dravidian VRU17 South India J1d3b
Maharashtra Caste Upper-Caste Indo-European Konkanastha Brahmin13 West India J1d4
Punjab Caste Lower-Caste Indo-European Scheduled caste124b North India J2a1a1
Ladakh Tribe Tibeto-Burman Ladakhis-Mus27 Northeast India J2b1a