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sheepslayer
08-03-2020, 11:18 PM
I made trees for S1194 and Z2118 using data from the FTDNA block tree. Eupedia doesn't have a tree for either of these branches, so I figured I would make something that looks good. All dates are from YFull
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RBHeadge
09-16-2020, 01:52 AM
Thanks for putting this together.
I would add that FT68442 is from Germany, and the two haplogroups under FT52936 (FT137205 and FT52869) are from Switzerland/Germany.

I do have a question about the eras listed. Is it correct to put PF7589 as Enolithic Steppe? Or would it be Chalcolthic or EBA?

sheepslayer
09-16-2020, 04:32 PM
Since I posted this I figured out how to boil each tree down to its most basic structure. I accomplish this by removing all mutations that do not lie at the head of a branch, thus getting rid of long progressions of SNPs who denote the same tree split. Though I have not yet found the time to give these branches dates, here is what I have so far:
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I also did this for U106, I-CTS10057, and J-PF5116 so if anybody is interested in seeing those trees, shoot me a PM and I will make a post in the relevant thread/category :) Heads of branches containing two or more branches become "families," and families below the head of each "family progression" become one of the relevant family's "levels," in bold.


Thanks for putting this together.
I would add that FT68442 is from Germany, and the two haplogroups under FT52936 (FT137205 and FT52869) are from Switzerland/Germany.

I do have a question about the eras listed. Is it correct to put PF7589 as Enolithic Steppe? Or would it be Chalcolthic or EBA?

According to YFull, PF7589/Z2118 is a brother clade to L52 beneath L51, and PF7589 was formed around 3750 BC. Eneolithic steppe is a good description for when and where this branch formed :) And I do plan to denote the origins of each branch as I continue to add to these new trees.

KimVG
05-02-2021, 03:26 PM
FT52869 --- Switzerland/Germany -- when? Where is that reference? Thanks.

RBHeadge
05-03-2021, 03:08 AM
FT52869 --- Switzerland/Germany -- when? Where is that reference? Thanks.

The most recent common ancestor for the FT52869 block is approximately 15 SNPs back from present. So that roughly dates to 750 CE.
The public FTDNA public haplotree shows FT52869 has two testers (my father and I) that trace back to Oggersheim, Germany in the late 1600s. The FT137205 branch has two testers listing the origin as unknown in the public haplotree. I can't disclose any PII here, but I can tell you that those lines ultimately trace back to Bern, Switzerland in the 1500s, and it may go back as far back as Bern in the late 1200s.

KimVG
05-03-2021, 03:36 AM
Hi thanks so much. I am currently unable to reply to you PM due to the 10 public post min threshold rule.
So anyway my dad is the new test result from Friday. And yes on paper his father's males are Irish back to about 1800 unless there was a non-paternal event in that timeframe of which I'm unaware

TigerMW
05-03-2021, 04:05 PM
I've got descendants tree overview charts for most of the early branches (prior to P312 and U106) on the R1b Basal Subclades About/Results web page.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-basal-subclades/about/results