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afbarwaaqo
08-29-2020, 05:33 PM
any info on this haplogroup

poi
08-30-2020, 10:48 PM
Have you looked at https://yfull.com/mtree/M1a4/ ? It looks like in Morocco, SaudiArabia, and Northeast Africa based on YFull's catalog. Those look like academic/public samples.

The upstream M1a looks like it is also in the MiddleEast and Southern Europe. Could the M1 branch of M be the remnant of OOA that has survived in the region?

parasar
08-31-2020, 12:55 AM
Have you looked at https://yfull.com/mtree/M1a4/ ? It looks like in Morocco, SaudiArabia, and Northeast Africa based on YFull's catalog. Those look like academic/public samples.

The upstream M1a looks like it is also in the MiddleEast and Southern Europe. Could the M1 branch of M be the remnant of OOA that has survived in the region?

Yes possible.
Or it could be a back migration. There is some M1 in Tibet. "M1 is found from Portugal and Senegal in the west to the Caucasus, Pakistan and Tibet at the east and, from Guinea-Bissau and Tanzania in the south to Russia at the north [34–36, 93–98] but, its highest diversity is found in Ethiopia and the Maghreb."
Plus:
"The detection in southeast Asia of new lineages that share with M1 the 14110 substitution [90, 91], gave rise to the definition of a new macrohaplogroup named M1′20′51 by PhyloTree.org Build 16 [44]. However, this substitution is not an invariable position"
"a recent study reported a new mtDNA haplogroup from Myanmar, named M84, that also roots at the basal node represented by transition 14110 [92]. This haplogroup shares with M20 the transition 16272 which is more conservative than 16129 [48], therefore, weakening any specific relationship between haplogroups M1 and M20 beyond its common basal node."
"the western border of M20 further stretches to Bangladesh [99] and even to Assam in India [100] and the eastern border of M51 to Fujian and Taiwan"
"Thus, it might be possible that the birth of the M1 ancestor was in southeastern Asia instead of India."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5105315/

parasar
08-31-2020, 01:14 AM
We also have to consider that the Belgium 35 kybp Goyet M line was directly from the root, and was related to others Ostuni, La Rochette.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982216000877

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0960982216000877-gr2.jpg

drobbah
08-31-2020, 02:40 AM
They came to the Horn with the early cushitic speakers alongside many other Eurasian maternal lineages such as N1,R0a,K1a, and U3.Many of those PN samples were M1a, perhaps some of those M1a individuals could possibly belong to your downstream haplogroup.

Deftextra
12-06-2020, 12:13 AM
They came to the Horn with the early cushitic speakers alongside many other Eurasian maternal lineages such as N1,R0a,K1a, and U3.Many of those PN samples were M1a, perhaps some of those M1a individuals could possibly belong to your downstream haplogroup.


Do you know if there is only one specific down stream version of M1a in the horn or is it more diverse? I found out I belong to M1a1.

davit
12-06-2020, 12:20 AM
Can someone explain how this one subclade of M became associated with West Eurasians?