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mokordo
09-02-2020, 10:37 PM
I want to be sure.

So, if I am Z282 according to 23andMe, Morley and Cladefinder, wich one of these should I choose?

https://i.imgur.com/XARwutJ.png

mokordo
09-04-2020, 11:53 AM
żNobody can help me?

Ibericus
09-04-2020, 12:39 PM
In the end you will get your whole genome sequenced so I recommend you save up and order Nebula, Dante (or FTDNA's Yfull).

MacUalraig
09-05-2020, 09:40 AM
A quick way to check is to type the SNP name in the quick find box then see which panels are returned in the search results. In this case only the R1a-superpanel actually has that SNP. It will kick off one of the lower level panels if its appropriate. However if you look at the branching on the superclade panel there is another level of differentiation below Z282 before it splits into the lower panels which is why that SNP isn't on any of the others.

In conclusion then you should do this one:

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=56701

MacUalraig
09-05-2020, 09:58 AM
In the end you will get your whole genome sequenced so I recommend you save up and order Nebula, Dante (or FTDNA's Yfull).

I would consider the YSEQ WGS as their post-sequencing analysis is better than anyone else's. Even at the x15 level it is worth pursuing. This is the standard test I use for my surname project. The longest turnaround so far has been about 6 weeks.

Dorkymon
09-05-2020, 11:43 AM
In the end you will get your whole genome sequenced so I recommend you save up and order Nebula, Dante (or FTDNA's Yfull).

People need to be warned that Nebula and Dante are quite technical. It's not as simple as receiving the assignment as text in an email as on YSeq.

Ibericus
09-05-2020, 01:15 PM
People need to be warned that Nebula and Dante are quite technical. It's not as simple as receiving the assignment as text in an email as on YSeq.

It is. I'm waiting for my Nebula results myself and I'm wondering how to create a .bam for the Y and Mtdna without a PC...

Apart from that, once you manage to upload it to YFull you get exponentially more data than from Yseq panels.

MacUalraig
09-09-2020, 03:06 PM
It is. I'm waiting for my Nebula results myself and I'm wondering how to create a .bam for the Y and Mtdna without a PC...

Apart from that, once you manage to upload it to YFull you get exponentially more data than from Yseq panels.

Do you mean you don't have access to a PC? Ideally the testing lab should either split the files for you or offer a direct link so you don't need to get involved. Both Full Genomes and Yseq have a mechanism to let YFull grab the data without user intervention, whilst Dante and Nebula both say they will develop one but have yet to do so...

RobertCasey
09-09-2020, 03:24 PM
Ordering YSNP packs and individual YSNPs are no longer very economical in the long run:

1) Order Y111 from FTDNA first.
2) When you can afford it, upgrade to Big Y700 (during the sale that starts around Thanksgiving).

YSTRs should be ordered first. You may get a free ride on your close matches that have been
extensively YSNP tested already (many haplogroups are running 20 % Big Y tests). Also, ordering
YSNPs with ordering YSTRs first, around 75 % of all branches in charts (SAPP or manual) are
based on YSTRs - so you would be losing 75 % of your branching without YSTRs.

SNP packs and individual YSNP orders may seem economical but they are redundant with Big Y700
and if you think you will ever order the Big Y700, the other YSNP products are just a waste of
your limited funds for getting the maximum value for your funds.

With respect of Big Y700 and other NGS/WGS options, FTDNA has 95 % of the orders in their
database, costs about the same and delivers similar results. However, all economical NGS/WGS
tests are shorter read products (150 base pairs) which can not read many of the useful YSTRs as well
as may squeak out another 5 % of quality reads for YSNPs as well. Unfortunately, upgrades are
not possible, so this will be redundant costs with the current NGS/WGS options. This is probably
at least five or more years out as the dramatic drop in prices is slowing down as compared
to the past. When the longer read NGS/WGS products roll out, Y111 will no longer be necessary
as the longer read will be able to read all currently reported YSTRs.

For many testers, current NGS/WGS testers are not discovering new branches as they once
did. This is happening in the prolific predictable haplogroups that have large numbers under
surname clusters. As the percentage of Y500 and Y700 YSTRs increases, the number of YSTR
branches will increase. Also, FTDNA and YFULL are not reporting all YSTRs as well, so when
the next round longer read length product becomes cost effective, Big Y700 will become
Big Y1000 or Y1500.

MacUalraig
09-27-2020, 07:56 PM
Ordering YSNP packs and individual YSNPs are no longer very economical in the long run:

1) Order Y111 from FTDNA first.
2) When you can afford it, upgrade to Big Y700 (during the sale that starts around Thanksgiving).

YSTRs should be ordered first. You may get a free ride on your close matches that have been
extensively YSNP tested already (many haplogroups are running 20 % Big Y tests). Also, ordering
YSNPs with ordering YSTRs first, around 75 % of all branches in charts (SAPP or manual) are
based on YSTRs - so you would be losing 75 % of your branching without YSTRs.

SNP packs and individual YSNP orders may seem economical but they are redundant with Big Y700
and if you think you will ever order the Big Y700, the other YSNP products are just a waste of
your limited funds for getting the maximum value for your funds.

With respect of Big Y700 and other NGS/WGS options, FTDNA has 95 % of the orders in their
database, costs about the same and delivers similar results. However, all economical NGS/WGS
tests are shorter read products (150 base pairs) which can not read many of the useful YSTRs as well
as may squeak out another 5 % of quality reads for YSNPs as well. Unfortunately, upgrades are
not possible, so this will be redundant costs with the current NGS/WGS options. This is probably
at least five or more years out as the dramatic drop in prices is slowing down as compared
to the past. When the longer read NGS/WGS products roll out, Y111 will no longer be necessary
as the longer read will be able to read all currently reported YSTRs.

For many testers, current NGS/WGS testers are not discovering new branches as they once
did. This is happening in the prolific predictable haplogroups that have large numbers under
surname clusters. As the percentage of Y500 and Y700 YSTRs increases, the number of YSTR
branches will increase. Also, FTDNA and YFULL are not reporting all YSTRs as well, so when
the next round longer read length product becomes cost effective, Big Y700 will become
Big Y1000 or Y1500.

The BigY doesn't remotely 'deliver similar results' to the YSEQ WGS test - in fact they remove the mtDNA calls so they can sell you an additional FMS test. Nor does it give you your raw data without charging a large additional fee, so you are tied to their proprietary tree and denied the chance to match with customers of other labs.

mokordo
09-29-2020, 08:38 PM
So probably I will do directly the FTDNA Y-111.

Right now its price is $ 249, I don't know if it's their usual price or if they offer cheaper prices on some dates.

Uzi
12-13-2020, 06:57 PM
So probably I will do directly the FTDNA Y-111.

Right now its price is $ 249, I don't know if it's their usual price or if they offer cheaper prices on some dates.

Offer price for FTDNA Y-111 is $199.

Jatt1
12-15-2020, 05:09 AM
Offer price for FTDNA Y-111 is $199.

Why anyone will pay that for 111 STRs when you can get 30x WGS from Nebula Genomics only for $299, which gives you everything?

losAntonis
12-15-2020, 07:50 AM
Why anyone will pay that for 111 STRs when you can get 30x WGS from Nebula Genomics only for $299, which gives you everything?

Good question. I will never understand this.

Ibericus
12-15-2020, 02:13 PM
Good question. I will never understand this.

Well, a 30x WGS will have some gaps. I think about 25% of loci will not be available, at least that's how it was in my case. Of course you will have many more STRs in total, but if you want to compare against someone who did Y111 you will be missing about 20 or 30 of those.

losAntonis
12-15-2020, 03:34 PM
Well, a 30x WGS will have some gaps. I think about 25% of loci will not be available, at least that's how it was in my case. Of course you will have many more STRs in total, but if you want to compare against someone who did Y111 you will be missing about 20 or 30 of those.

A WGS 30x doesn't has gaps really.
I did a dozend of those and from my point of view compare against Y111 works good enough where necessary, since the SNPs matters much more. Just some fast mutating STRs haven't been read. The ones which aren't really of interest, even when comparing Y111 with Y111. There are also some cases, where I prefer the YFull extracted STRs, to group in between NGS tested guys.
Nonetheless I would love yo see more people doing NGS, since this is the real test which counts for Y-DNA research. Y-STR are really valuable, but only in the second raw. Go to my blog and read the article about migration of BY14026. There are some NGS samples in comparison to plain Y-STR samples.