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ElectroImpulse
02-09-2014, 08:42 PM
Later i put the remain part but now... Try to Guess my country :)

57.19% Mediterranean
31.11% North_European
11.06% West_Asian
0.31% West_African
0.26% East_African
0.05% Siberian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Australasian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Arctic
0.00% Palaeo_African



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Anglecynn
02-09-2014, 09:00 PM
Difficult to tell, high Mediterranean, but almost exclusively a mix of Med, North Euro and West Asian. Italian or somewhere around there? Or maybe Sardinian, with the very high Mediterranean? Don't know what test that is though.

ElectroImpulse
02-09-2014, 09:09 PM
Difficult to tell, high Mediterranean, but almost exclusively a mix of Med, North Euro and West Asian. Italian or somewhere around there? Or maybe Sardinian, with the very high Mediterranean? Don't know what test that is though.


My maternal Haplogroup H originated in the Neas Est
My Paternal Haplogroup I1 originated in Scandinavia ( i'm very surprise beacuse i'm Sicilian )

And you are very good, you are right i'm Italian.

newtoboard
02-09-2014, 09:16 PM
I think it is unlikely I1 originated in Scandanavia. It's diversity is highest in Northern Germany and a lot of the old clades are found in NE Europe, near the Baltic.

MfA
02-09-2014, 09:19 PM
I was gonna say North Italian, Are you Palermitan? What does your new Ancestry Composition look like?

Anglecynn
02-09-2014, 09:20 PM
My maternal Haplogroup H originated in the Neas Est
My Paternal Haplogroup I1 originated in Scandinavia ( i'm very surprise beacuse i'm Sicilian )

And you are very good, you are right i'm Italian.

Interesting! What part of Sicily are you from? I heard the Normans left a significant genetic impact in the northwest, perhaps it related? Either that or it has some other explanation that might be impossible to find.

ElectroImpulse
02-09-2014, 09:30 PM
you're very expert... yes guys i'm from (near Trapani)

http://www.bed-and-breakfast-sicilia.it/images/TP.gif

mnd
02-09-2014, 10:43 PM
Your results seem very Iberian-like (particularly similar to those from west/southwest Spain). I put your ADMIXTURE results into a Globe13 calculator (http://kurdishdna.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/globe13-calculator-for-genetic-distance.html) developed by KurdishDNA - Palisto of this forum, I believe - and your 30 most similar populations are:


# ID Ethnicity Normal Distance Adjusted Distance
1 Andalucia_1KG 8.6 8.0
2 Aragon_1KG 10.5 9.4
3 Valencia_1KG 10.6 9.6
4 Cantabria_1KG 11.4 10.3
5 Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG 11.4 10.4
6 Spanish_D 12.1 11.0
7 Baleares_1KG 11.9 11.1
8 Spaniards 12.2 11.2
9 Murcia_1KG 12.6 11.7
10 Castilla_Y_Leon_1KG 12.8 11.7
11 French_Basque 13.7 11.9
12 Extremadura_1KG 13.1 12.1
13 Pais_Vasco_1KG 13.9 12.1
14 Canarias_1KG 14.0 13.1
15 North_Italian 14.0 13.1
16 Cataluna_1KG 14.5 13.2
17 Portuguese_D 14.6 13.5
18 Galicia_1KG 14.9 13.7
19 Brazilian_D 17.4 16.4
20 N_Italian_D 17.8 16.6
21 TSI30 18.8 17.3
22 Tuscan 19.1 17.6
23 O_Italian_D 21.7 20.1
24 Sardinian 23.2 21.0
25 French_D 23.8 21.6
26 French 24.2 22.0
27 C_Italian_D 24.1 22.1
28 Greek_D 28.2 26.0
29 Bulgarians_Y 28.7 26.8
30 Romanians 30.0 27.9

...with Sicilians coming in at 31st. Your Oracle mode's top results are a combination of ~80% Basque and ~20% West Asian populations, similar to what many Spaniards would probably get. What's particularly interesting are the combinations which involve Sicilians and other Italian populations:


# Distance Population1 %Pop1 Population2 %Pop2
28 7.3862 French_Basque 72.1% Sicilian_D 27.9%
31 7.4485 French_Basque 72.4% S_Italian_Sicilian_D 27.6%
34 7.5280 French_Basque 60.5% Tuscan 39.5%
36 7.5288 French_Basque 66.7% C_Italian_D 33.3%
39 7.7123 Valencia_1KG 75.1% Sardinian 24.9%
41 7.7595 French_Basque 60.2% TSI30 39.8%
42 7.8521 Andalucia_1KG 86.2% Sardinian 13.8%
43 7.8772 Sardinian 59.0% Cornwall_1KG 41.0%

It seems that you are more similar to Basque and Spanish populations than to any of the Italian ones.

ADW_1981
02-09-2014, 10:58 PM
I think it is unlikely I1 originated in Scandanavia. It's diversity is highest in Northern Germany and a lot of the old clades are found in NE Europe, near the Baltic.

Does it really matter if it was northern Germany, Scandinavia, or even the Baltic? His line is most likely Norman, and the lack of SW Asian is very interesting. We can be pretty confident the Normans were mostly R1b, I1, and to a lesser extent other I2 and R1a1 lineages in minority.

ADW_1981
02-09-2014, 11:45 PM
The lack of SW Asian is interesting. I would have expected mixing with other Sicilians would have skewed results towards the Middle East to a certain degree...but that doesn't seem to be the case for him.

newtoboard
02-10-2014, 12:14 AM
Only my first 2 sentences were actually directed to you. The lack of SW Asian is interesting. I would have expected mixing with other Sicilians would have skewed results towards the Middle East to a certain degree...but that doesn't seem to be the case for him.

Yea I figured that out.

His results might be different in other calculators though.

ElectroImpulse
02-10-2014, 04:44 PM
Your results seem very Iberian-like (particularly similar to those from west/southwest Spain). I put your ADMIXTURE results into a Globe13 calculator (http://kurdishdna.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/globe13-calculator-for-genetic-distance.html) developed by KurdishDNA - Palisto of this forum, I believe - and your 30 most similar populations are:


# ID Ethnicity Normal Distance Adjusted Distance
1 Andalucia_1KG 8.6 8.0
2 Aragon_1KG 10.5 9.4
3 Valencia_1KG 10.6 9.6
4 Cantabria_1KG 11.4 10.3
5 Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG 11.4 10.4
6 Spanish_D 12.1 11.0
7 Baleares_1KG 11.9 11.1
8 Spaniards 12.2 11.2
9 Murcia_1KG 12.6 11.7
10 Castilla_Y_Leon_1KG 12.8 11.7
11 French_Basque 13.7 11.9
12 Extremadura_1KG 13.1 12.1
13 Pais_Vasco_1KG 13.9 12.1
14 Canarias_1KG 14.0 13.1
15 North_Italian 14.0 13.1
16 Cataluna_1KG 14.5 13.2
17 Portuguese_D 14.6 13.5
18 Galicia_1KG 14.9 13.7
19 Brazilian_D 17.4 16.4
20 N_Italian_D 17.8 16.6
21 TSI30 18.8 17.3
22 Tuscan 19.1 17.6
23 O_Italian_D 21.7 20.1
24 Sardinian 23.2 21.0
25 French_D 23.8 21.6
26 French 24.2 22.0
27 C_Italian_D 24.1 22.1
28 Greek_D 28.2 26.0
29 Bulgarians_Y 28.7 26.8
30 Romanians 30.0 27.9

...with Sicilians coming in at 31st. Your Oracle mode's top results are a combination of ~80% Basque and ~20% West Asian populations, similar to what many Spaniards would probably get. What's particularly interesting are the combinations which involve Sicilians and other Italian populations:


# Distance Population1 %Pop1 Population2 %Pop2
28 7.3862 French_Basque 72.1% Sicilian_D 27.9%
31 7.4485 French_Basque 72.4% S_Italian_Sicilian_D 27.6%
34 7.5280 French_Basque 60.5% Tuscan 39.5%
36 7.5288 French_Basque 66.7% C_Italian_D 33.3%
39 7.7123 Valencia_1KG 75.1% Sardinian 24.9%
41 7.7595 French_Basque 60.2% TSI30 39.8%
42 7.8521 Andalucia_1KG 86.2% Sardinian 13.8%
43 7.8772 Sardinian 59.0% Cornwall_1KG 41.0%

It seems that you are more similar to Basque and Spanish populations than to any of the Italian ones.

Thank you very much :) . Really interesting, what depends the fact that i am approached to the Iberians?
for the Spanish kingdom domination in Sicily 1516 - 1713 ?




Only my first 2 sentences were actually directed to you. The lack of SW Asian is interesting. I would have expected mixing with other Sicilians would have skewed results towards the Middle East to a certain degree...but that doesn't seem to be the case for him.

Thank you :) . Probably the ancestors of my paternal line were the Normans and the ancestors of my maternal line were Middle Estern

Invisible Sun
02-10-2014, 05:35 PM
you're very expert... yes guys i'm from (near Trapani)

http://www.bed-and-breakfast-sicilia.it/images/TP.gif

Welcome Electro,
Im from West Sicily too (Palermo), but 1/8 NW Italian.
although Im more MENA shifted than you, Ive also high West Med and Atlantic admixture, which pull me towards Iberia. I am not sure whether this depends on my North Italian ancestry or not, but for me and another Palermitan whose results were reported in another forum, Eurogenes K15 v2 shows French Basque as 1 of the Oracle 4 Ancestors...Have you tried the all online calculators on Gedmatch.com? these days I was wondering if mesolithic people who inhabited Western Sicily (f.e. like those in Molara and Addaura caves) could have been linked with other populations like La Brana, whose facial reconstruction resembles in my opinion many people I see everyday. This would explain the high ratio of blue eyes and cromagnid features in our provinces (so not only Normans genes), compared to the rest of the island...well, in your case your Y haplogroup would point to a german/norse medieval ancestor or someone more recent, like a british merchant :)

http://www.academia.edu/3652604/Mesolithic_skeletal_remains_from_Grotta_della_Mola ra_Palermo_Sicily_


---EDIT---
Have a look to the WHG-EEF-ANE Excel calculator, I have the feeling your results would be quite interesting...let me know, pleez! ;)

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1781-Post-Your-EEF-WHG-and-ANE-Admixture-Proportions

vettor
02-10-2014, 06:07 PM
that area in sicily was historic home of the wandering elymians from anatolia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elymians


its a pity I cannot compare my results as the latest excel 2012, does not support palistro excel speadsheet macros

but some noted , my ancient line is from southern Anatolia, the lycians ( carians)...maybe someone can test my numbers to see where they fit with electropulse

40.38% Mediterranean
47.97% North_European
8.11% West_Asian
0.00% West_African
2.29% East_African
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
1.16% South_Asian
0.00% Amerindian
0.22% Australasian
0.56% East_Asian
0.00% Arctic
0.00% Palaeo_African

Invisible Sun
02-10-2014, 06:19 PM
Electro, where do you cluster on the European Global Similarity Map? French or more west? Would be interesting to see more results of you :)

MfA
02-10-2014, 06:27 PM
I ran Palisto's tool for you guys.


Later i put the remain part but now... Try to Guess my country :)

57.19% Mediterranean
31.11% North_European
11.06% West_Asian
0.31% West_African
0.26% East_African
0.05% Siberian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Australasian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Arctic
0.00% Palaeo_African



Predicted location:
Latitude Longitude
40,05 -0,42





its a pity I cannot compare my results as the latest excel 2012, does not support palistro excel speadsheet macros

but some noted , my ancient line is from southern Anatolia, the lycians ( carians)...maybe someone can test my numbers to see where they fit with electropulse

40.38% Mediterranean
47.97% North_European
8.11% West_Asian
0.00% West_African
2.29% East_African
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
1.16% South_Asian
0.00% Amerindian
0.22% Australasian
0.56% East_Asian
0.00% Arctic
0.00% Palaeo_African

TOP100 (reference populations only)
# ID Ethnicity Normal Distance Adjusted Distance
1 French 4,3 4,2
2 French_D 4,9 4,7
3 Cornwall_1KG 9,1 8,2
4 English_D 10,4 9,3
5 Kent_1KG 10,9 9,7
6 CEU30 11,1 10,0
7 Mixed_Germanic_D 11,1 10,1
8 Dutch_D 11,2 10,2
9 British_D 11,8 10,6
10 British_Isles_D 12,1 10,8

OracleTOP500 combinations (reference populations only)
# Distance Population1 %Pop1 Population2 %Pop2
1 3,2548 Argyll_1KG 55,3% Valencia_1KG 44,7%
2 3,2846 Argyll_1KG 61,2% Andalucia_1KG 38,8%
3 3,3896 Cornwall_1KG 65,8% Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG 34,2%
4 3,3987 Cornwall_1KG 63,2% Spaniards 36,8%
5 3,3992 Cornwall_1KG 72,2% Canarias_1KG 27,8%
6 3,4199 Cornwall_1KG 65,6% Extremadura_1KG 34,4%
7 3,4254 Cornwall_1KG 65,6% Baleares_1KG 34,4%
8 3,4305 Argyll_1KG 56,0% Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG 44,0%
9 3,4357 Cornwall_1KG 65,2% Valencia_1KG 34,8%
10 3,4794 Argyll_1KG 53,2% Spaniards 46,8%
11 3,4838 English_D 67,5% Andalucia_1KG 32,5%
12 3,5186 Orcadian 61,8% Andalucia_1KG 38,2%
13 3,5393 Irish_D 61,1% Andalucia_1KG 38,9%
14 3,5483 Argyll_1KG 55,5% Cantabria_1KG 44,5%
15 3,5492 British_Isles_D 63,7% Andalucia_1KG 36,3%
16 3,6005 CEU30 65,9% Andalucia_1KG 34,1%
17 3,6128 CEU30 60,1% Valencia_1KG 39,9%
18 3,6181 Mixed_Germanic_D 60,2% Valencia_1KG 39,8%
19 3,6613 Cornwall_1KG 69,3% Murcia_1KG 30,7%
20 3,6647 Cornwall_1KG 65,6% Cantabria_1KG 34,4%





Predicted location:
Latitude Longitude
49,12 3,25

Invisible Sun
02-10-2014, 06:33 PM
@MfA do you think it is fine to use this version for Globe13?

http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/

MfA
02-10-2014, 08:51 PM
@MfA do you think it is fine to use this version for Globe13?

http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/

Yes, that would do :)

Morges
03-27-2015, 01:39 AM
Electro do you have tested on Eurogenes K13 and K15?